Dubln Bus Poor driving skills

Merbhp

How not to take exit 3 on a roundabout...

See Post No 46 for the Professional way to take Exit 3 in a bus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAsaRn2Iyso

INEEDANID

Merbhp wrote: »

How not to take exit 3 on a roundabout...

"http://www.youtube.com/embed/mpmYCaxAtfU"

Shocked and outraged!

Cuddlesworth

Most large vehicles in Ireland do that. If he had stuck to the correct lane, somebody would have gone up his outside and driven in his blind spot. I've seen it happen.

Mr. Presentable

Driver did the correct thing considering the size of his vehicle.

Thread fail for me

biko

He could have indicated a bit earlier but tbh with a bus that size there isn't another way to get it around the RB.

Seasoft

But there's no doubt about the crazy driving shown in your other video OP!

Cuddlesworth

Seasoft wrote: »

But there's no doubt about the crazy driving shown in your other video OP!

He should have seen and anticipated the fiesta far earlier.

opinion guy

I agree with the OP. Look at the positioning of the front of the bus going through the roundabout - he is way over to the right of where he should be

Cuddlesworth

opinion guy wrote: »

I agree with the OP. Look at the positioning of the front of the bus going through the roundabout - he is way over to the right of where he should be

He was trying to command both lanes to stop a dangerous overtake.IMO he should have been further right and properly taken both lanes.

opinion guy

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

He was trying to command both lanes to stop a dangerous overtake.IMO he should have been further right and properly taken both lanes.

thirtythirty

Seriously bad driving by the video car trying to go up the inside because they're "entitled to according to the Rules of the Road and Roadcraft Manual".

I think dublin bus drivers in general are to be commended - dealing with dodgy cyclists, motorbikes, motorists, and everything in between on a daily basis while manoeuvring one of the largest things on the road, packed full of people who'll sue at the slightest strong braking.

The ratio of actual incidents vs bus hours on the road is amazing I think all things considered.

cats.life

opinion guy wrote: »

I agree with the OP. Look at the positioning of the front of the bus going through the roundabout - he is way over to the right of where he should be

eh, you must have bad eyesight. the bus couldnt fit into the lane . its a bus not a bike.. i cant see whats the problem there op. i see it every day in galway city. buses are BIG , need more room to get around.

166man

IBTl...

I was expecting a burnout on the roundabout or something not a bus going over the white line accidentally.. You would wonder what the person was doing filming in the first place.

opinion guy

spottyelephant wrote: »

Seriously bad driving by the video car trying to go up the inside because they're "entitled to according to the Rules of the Road and Roadcraft Manual".

Eh why ? Normal manouver.

cats.life wrote: »

eh, you must have bad eyesight. the bus couldnt fit into the lane . its a bus not a bike.. i cant see whats the problem there op. i see it every day in galway city. buses are BIG , need more room to get around.

Look at it again. From 11 seconds on the buses front wheel is across the central line - perhaps by a foot or two. The back wheel is maybe 3 feet over the line. Now I don't see buses do that everyday - usually the front wheel will be on the correct side of the line and the back wheel will drift maybe a foot over - thats normal due to the length of the bus. This one is consierably beyond that. Furthermore if you look at 12 seconds on there is a breakdown truck and a jeep with flashing lights in the off ramp which is kind of forward towards the roundabout lane. Looking at it again it looks like the bus took the corner extra wide deilberately to give a wider birth to the jeep with flashing lights - its also apparent he slowed down at the point. So in that case I think its understandable why he ran a bit wide. But certainly you can see why the OP would be annoyed. I would be - if I didn't see the obstacle the bus was avoiding.

djrichard

Merbhp wrote: »

How not to take exit 3 on a roundabout...

"http://www.youtube.com/embed/mpmYCaxAtfU"

What a waste of my precious moments in life. Any chance of having my time back? I cant believe youre so bored that you saw fit to post this video up. I cant believe Ive seen fit to even post a reply to it, what am I doing??...................

Anan1

opinion guy wrote: »

So in that case I think its understandable why he ran a bit wide. But certainly you can see why the OP would be annoyed. I would be - if I didn't see the obstacle the bus was avoiding.

But the OP did see the obstacle, when they reviewed the video before posting it on youtube.

BuzzFish

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

He should have seen and anticipated the fiesta far earlier.

I know this is OT but rubbish. The earliest the driver could have realised the fiesta was going something ridiculously daft was about 11 seconds in. He was immediately on the brakes and beeping from about 13 secs in.

opinion guy

Anan1 wrote: »

But the OP did see the obstacle, when they reviewed the video before posting it on youtube.

How do you know ? How come no one else pointed it out as an explanation before I did which I only noticed on pausing it alot ? Did you notice it before I drew your attention to it ?

muckwarrior

166man wrote: »

You would wonder what the person was doing filming in the first place.

Never heard of a roadhawk or the likes?

MagicSean

How is this different from what 80% of drivers out there do on a roundabout?

Anan1

opinion guy wrote: »

How do you know ? How come no one else pointed it out as an explanation before I did which I only noticed on pausing it alot ? Did you notice it before I drew your attention to it ?

What, the big yellow AA van on the island and the attendant broken down car?:) They're both quite obvious, but IMO they're not really central to this discussion. IMO there was more than one good reason for the bus to drive as they did. Staying in the left lane for the third exit has already been explained, and moving to block the right lane would have been a good idea even without the broken down car, in order to block what looked like an imminent dangerous overtake by the OP.

bijapos

As a C licence holder I tend to straddle both lanes when entering a roundabout and turning right. The only mistake the bus driver made here imo is that he stayed in one lane when entering the roundabout and not two.

Obnoxious? Probably. But most people haven't a clue about the dynamics of large vehicles, the fact that the long wheelbase means taking corners means cutting up a lane.

Anan1

bijapos wrote: »

Obnoxious? Probably. But most people haven't a clue about the dynamics of large vehicles, the fact that the long wheelbase means taking corners means cutting up a lane.

When I lived in Germany, some buses used to have signs on the back to the effect of 'Would you rather have 50 cars in front of you instead?'

opinion guy

Anan1 wrote: »

What, the big yellow AA van on the island and the attendant broken down car?:) They're both quite obvious, but IMO they're not really central to this discussion. IMO there was more than one good reason for the bus to drive as they did. Staying in the left lane for the third exit has already been explained, and moving to block the right lane would have been a good idea even without the broken down car, in order to block what looked like an imminent dangerous overtake by the OP.

How waswould it have been a dangerous overtake ???

mikemac

Driver might have indicated a little earlier but other then that I see nothing wrong

Taking up both lanes is defensive driving and it stops some clown cutting up the inside just because the ROTR tells them they can.

Zero shock or outrage on this thread, sorry OP

Cuddlesworth

We really should have mandatory training for large vehicles. If even for a hour in a closed lot. Its pretty obvious here that too many drivers simply think of them as a slightly bigger car.

opinion guy

mikemac wrote: »

Driver might have indicated a little earlier but other then that I see nothing wrong

Taking up both lanes is defensive driving and it stops some clown cutting up the inside just because the ROTR tells them they can.

Zero shock or outrage on this thread, sorry OP

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why his intended overtaking manouver woudl have been dangerous.

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

We really should have mandatory training for large vehicles. If even for a hour in a closed lot. Its pretty obvious here that too many drivers simply think of them as a slightly bigger car.

I've driven larger vehicles

Cuddlesworth

opinion guy wrote: »

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why his intended overtaking manouver woudl have been dangerous.

If the OP had attempted to overtake,
there would have been no room to spare for either the bus or car,
he would have been in a blind spot of the bus
he would have either forced the bus to brake hard on the exit as the car swerved in front impatiently or the car to brake hard and practically stop in the 2nd lane as he gave up trying to overtake.

opinion guy wrote: »

I've driven larger vehicles

You clearly have not.

opinion guy

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

If the OP had attempted to overtake,
there would have been no room to spare for either the bus or car,
he would have been in a blind spot of the bus
he would have either forced the bus to brake hard on the exit as the car swerved in front impatiently or the car to brake hard and practically stop in the 2nd lane as he gave up trying to overtake.

Eh no - its very easy to avoid that situation. You pass the bus going into the roundabout by outbraking him or you pass the bus coming out of the roundabout by out-accelerating him. What you wouldn't do was continue barreling throughat a constant slow overtaking speed - I agree that would be dangerous. But there is no rason to assume the OP was going to do that.
The trick is to pay attention to where you are relative to the buses axels before deciding when to pass. The other point is if the bus has to cut the corners he is taking the roundabout too fast.

You clearly have not.

:rolleyes:
Is there where I go 'oh yes I have' and then you respond 'oh no you didn't'......etc etc....

Grow up

aujopimur

The bus drivers in Cork a pretty ok, except for the ones that try to see how many shopping laden pensioners they can catapult against the windscreen by late breaking at the bus stop.

January

Knowing that particular roundabout the buses have to straddle two lanes to be able to position itself properly coming off onto the bridge.

mickdw

I think it was poor driving by the bus driver for the following reasons:

We are agreed Im sure that in a small vehicle, he should have been in the right lane for the exit he took. Therefore, he should have been indicating right on his way into the roundabout much earlier than he actually did and should certainly have been closing off the right hand lane to prevent cars going inside him much earlier than he did.
I know alot of large vehicles drive around the outside of roundabouts like this and there is a strong argument for it where articulated trucks are concerned as its impossible to see cars on the outside towards the rear of the trailer due to trailer angle and so the only safe way to get into the outside lane to leave the roundabout is to actually stay in the outside lane or at least block the outside lane but at the same time making it very clear that you intend to take the 3rd exit.
The dublin bus driver doesnt have the same problems as an artic re trailer blind spot and even if we give him that, it was still poorly executed due to leaving too much room on the inside and indicating too late. Many drivers would have been in there beside him assuming he was not taking a right.

Scottie99

I think your being a bit harsh on the driver. As someone said, if he'd taken your way around it, some idiot may have come up his inside. Some people call his driving "defensive".
Ahh to be a perfect driver.......OP;)

ardmacha

I have a big vehicle.
I am bigger than you.
Feck the rules of road.

Scottie99

ardmacha wrote: »

I have a big vehicle.
I am bigger than you.
Feck the rules of road.

Its clear you only have the basic driving license:rolleyes:

ardmacha

Its clear you only have the basic driving license

Why? Does the test for other licences require you to bulldoze other traffic out of the way with complete disregard for rules of the road?

Nissan doctor

I think the bus driver should have indicated earlier, but other then that, I don't see anything wrong, in fact, I wouldn't have been expecting anything alse from a large vehicle.


On the flip side, a Dublin bus driver I know once told me that if they ever need time off in a hurry, they just have to have a minor accident. Then they get a week off with pay then a second with a couple of hours refrsher training each day, also with full pay!:eek:

mikemac

Sounds like lies

There was another poster over in commuting forum who said the surest way to get fired was leave your cab, be stealing or have a bad accident record

The driver was messing with you

stimpson

mikemac wrote: »

Sounds like lies

There was another poster over in commuting forum who said the surest way to get fired was leave your cab, be stealing or have a bad accident record

The driver was messing with you

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hang on - not done yet


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Anyway, left hand lane is clearly marked for turning left. you can see it a couple of seconds in. Knowing that roundabout, there is no straight ahead - it's a dead end. If I saw a bus in the left lane I would assume he's turning left. If he wanted to make that manoeuvre he should have been on the indicators a lot sooner. But I know from experience that Dublin Bus drivers are all BMW drivers at heart.

monkeybutter

Is there any law that sez you can't use the leftmost lane on a 2 lane roundabout to take the 3rd exit?

stimpson

monkeybutter wrote: »

Is there any law that sez you can't use the leftmost lane on a 2 lane roundabout to take the 3rd exit?

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/junctions-roundabouts/roundabouts.html

You must obey any road markings on the lanes and/or other instructions to show what lane to use if you intend to take a particular exit from the roundabout.

Nissan doctor

mikemac wrote: »

Sounds like lies

There was another poster over in commuting forum who said the surest way to get fired was leave your cab, be stealing or have a bad accident record

The driver was messing with you

If you knew this guy you'd know he wasn't. He said you couldn't do it more then once a year or you would get a bad record but that still 2 extra paid 'holiday' weeks a year.

The way he put it: You'd be in grief if you had a bad accident but if you just take a wiong mirror off or swipe a bumper or wing or something its perfect!:eek:

tu2j2

Meh, just a bit of **** driving, nothing to get upset about.

I think some of you over estimate the size of a bus, it isn't articulated so you've a decent idea what's directly beside you. The defensive driving arguement is bull**** too, if that were the case you stay in the inside lane and maybe keep the front as far left as possible. Very few people are going to approach the roundabout in the left land and drive the whole way around the outside of a bus to the third exit. Leave a car sized gap up the middle and some idiot will fill it.

On a roundabout that big ther is no need for a bus to come outside of its lane.

guil

ardmacha wrote: »

Why? Does the test for other licences require you to bulldoze other traffic out of the way with complete disregard for rules of the road?

ask any C or EC instructor, when i did the C and EC i was told to take control of the road or force cars to move over on narrow roads

obviously it doesnt mean ya go around barging out in front of everything but if you pull over on a soft verge in a truck she wnt be long about going over, back to the video he should of indicated and moved into the middle earlier

guil

tu2j2 wrote: »

Meh, just a bit of **** driving, nothing to get upset about.

I think some of you over estimate the size of a bus, it isn't articulated so you've a decent idea what's directly beside you. The defensive driving arguement is bull**** too, if that were the case you stay in the inside lane and maybe keep the front as far left as possible. Very few people are going to approach the roundabout in the left land and drive the whole way around the outside of a bus to the third exit. Leave a car sized gap up the middle and some idiot will fill it.

On a roundabout that big ther is no need for a bus to come outside of its lane.

looking at it again i agree with you, that roundabout is very big

Merbhp

Dublin Bus Driver - Excellent Driving Skills

How to skilfully manoeuvre a large vehicle - safely and properly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMlAZw9Dbks

Midnight_EG

Just the other day I was coming up a road with speedbumps in the lashing rain...bus behind me. As I slow down for the speedbumps, the bus decides he doesn't want to, and so pulls onto the opposite side of the road and powers past me...then sits beside me and throws his hands up in the air at me as if I did something wrong?

WTF like

Anan1

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Just the other day I was coming up a road with speedbumps in the lashing rain...bus behind me. As I slow down for the speedbumps, the bus decides he doesn't want to, and so pulls onto the opposite side of the road and powers past me...then sits beside me and throws his hands up in the air at me as if I did something wrong?

WTF like

Was it safe to go around the speedbumps? If he powered past you then how did he end up beside you?

Midnight_EG

Anan1 wrote: »

Was it safe to go around the speedbumps? If he powered past you then how did he end up beside you?

It was lashing rain, poor visibility and a car coming towards us maybe 100 yards away. He didn't go around them, he went over them on the opposite side of the road, as if he hadn't anticipated that I'd slow down!

I was about 40 yards in front of him, so by the time I was over them he came past me

He was totally in the wrong anyway!

-Corkie-

Anan1 wrote: »

Was it safe to go around the speedbumps? If he powered past you then how did he end up beside you?

He prob accelerated a small bit after the speed bumps. Speed bumps are there to slow vehicles down and not to encourage overtaking.

Anyway does the camera op drive around all day after buses or what??

SV

stimpson wrote: »

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hang on - not done yet


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