Super Star DJ Tax defaulter

mytime

I was reading the quaterly list of tax defaulters on the revenue web site and i spotted this.

Name WHELAN,PATRICK Here's Ricky
Address NEWCOURT,KILLOTTERAN,
County CO. WATERFORD.
Occupation DISC JOCKEY
Tax 47,684.60
Interest & Penalties 44,115.40
Total 91,800.00
Additional particulars Underdeclaration of Income Tax . Revenue Audit Case.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/press/defaulters/index.html

it listed in quater 2 part

abouttobebanned

You could probably stick every other DJ on that site as well. Every musician plying their trade in a cover band as well for that matter.

I'll be in the minority here but I wish the government would go after the bigger fish.

Cabaal

You don't consider not paying 47k in tax that much of an issue?

I agree with going after bigger fish as well but you can't just ignore the others.

abouttobebanned

Oh I'm not saying it's not an issue...that's a LOT of tax...so he must have been getting paid under the counter for a very long time. But they find it so much easier to go after the people who are not standing behind a team of lawyers and clever accountants.

abouttobebanned

Actually hold on a second.. 47K? who was he DJing for? The sultan of Brunei?

tombliboo83

Tax avoidance is clever, however, tax evasion is criminal. Anybody evading tax is a disgrace.

ziedth

tombliboo83 wrote: »

Tax avoidance is clever, however, tax evasion is criminal. Anybody evading tax is a disgrace.

I apologise for my ignorance but what's the difference?

abouttobebanned

I suppose one is paying no tax at all and the other is paying as little as you can get away with.

Bono is "clever" for moving his business affairs to the Netherlands to avoid having to pay tax on the royalties he gets from songwriting.

the_syco

ziedth wrote: »

I apologise for my ignorance but what's the difference?

I'm thinking the avoidance one is saying that the car you bought is being put against the tax you owe, but the tax evasion is ignoring the tax you owe?

barneystinson

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Oh I'm not saying it's not an issue...that's a LOT of tax...so he must have been getting paid under the counter for a very long time. But they find it so much easier to go after the people who are not standing behind a team of lawyers and clever accountants.

That's nonsense of the highest order, have you looked at the list of defaulters? There are solicitors, accountants, doctors, companies with big turnovers, farmers, landlords, hotels, publicans, all sorts of businesses. And bear in mind that the only settlements that get published are the ones where the taxpayer didn't 'fess up and make a disclosure when they were notified they were being audited - they tried to brazen it out and lost.

The "people standing behind a team of lawyers and clever accountants" will have made their tax returns properly in the first place, or will have the benefit of paying for professional good sense / advice, so you may not see their names published, but it doesn't mean Revenue don't "go after" them, or get money out of them.

And the simple fact of the matter at the end of the day is that tax evasion is more widespread at the bottom of the foodchain (in small, owner-managed businesses - like a DJ taking cash and never declaring it) than it is further up (like a supermarket, where tight controls over cash & stock are required).

barneystinson

ziedth wrote: »

I apologise for my ignorance but what's the difference?

Tax evasion is illegal - like where you deliberately just don't declare half (or any!) of your income.

Tax avoidance is attempting to legally minimise your tax liability, by exploiting loopholes in legislation etc...

abouttobebanned

I think we're gonna have a barney...

Sorry if I upset ya boy. Ill stick to
talking about pubs and boobs in future.

marlin vs

the_syco wrote: »

I'm thinking the avoidance one is saying that the car you bought is being put against the tax you owe, but the tax evasion is ignoring the tax you owe?

Well put syco.

ziedth

What kind of Tax would a DJ be liable to pay say on a nights work of (at a guess what a half decent one gets paid) €400?

few cans?

ziedth wrote: »

What kind of Tax would a DJ be liable to pay say on a nights work of (at a guess what a half decent one gets paid) €400?

If i was getting paid 400 squid cash in hand for doing a gig i wouldnt dream of telling the tax man. feck him

decies

Mind you I heard the end of his show tonight he was talking about often having dark days.

fricatus

few cans? wrote: »

If i was getting paid 400 squid cash in hand for doing a gig i wouldnt dream of telling the tax man. feck him

Yeah, but you have no problem with fcukin eejits like me doing Saturday overtime and handing over half my €200 in PAYE, eh? So that we have hospitals, Gardai, street lights, etc.

Really stickin' it to the maan there I must say! :mad:

dayshah

I suppose that would finance a special needs assistant for a year in some school. Lets hope the 90k gets spent well.

abouttobebanned

I'd imagine it will take them a long time to get that 91k though. I mean this is tax he should have been paying for many years so I presume is well spent by now. So he'll either have to pay it off over a very long period of time, or I dunno, go to jail?

AdMMM

Well spent? I think this is where the money is going to go...

parrai

AdMMM wrote: »

Well spent? I think this is where the money is going to go...

Looks like a picture of anglo...

SillyMcCarthy

MEOW YOONG
KAM,
JOSEPHINE8 O'CONNEL STREET,WATERFORD.RESTAURATEUR
1,147,247.00Underdeclaration of Income Tax and VAT. Revenue Single Premium Insurance Products Case.

abouttobebanned

Ah lads. Surely the forum is not about this.

SillyMcCarthy

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Ah lads. Surely the forum is not about this.

No, but it's about where I can buy a 6oz burger!

Hey, it's news isn't it. It in some way makes me feel relieved

that after paying tax for over 20 years that these people who

lived off the country & paid a token gesture in tax are finally

being caught for evasion!

Sully

Mod Note

Can someone clarify to me, by PM only, the name part of this. I see a "Super Star DJ" and "Here's Ricky". Neither of which show up on the Revenues list for the individual.

Thanks.

Sully

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Ah lads. Surely the forum is not about this.

Your okay talking about the DJ but not the Chinese? :S

Sully

SillyMcCarthy wrote: »

MEOW YOONG
KAM,
JOSEPHINE8 O'CONNEL STREET,WATERFORD.RESTAURATEUR
1,147,247.00Underdeclaration of Income Tax and VAT. Revenue Single Premium Insurance Products Case.

Mod Note

Please state your exact source (link to it).

MitchKoobski

Just feels a bit weird seeing people's personal details posted up in a "LOOK WHAT THEY'RE DOING" sort of way....

It's not "Here is the revenue list for the quarterly".
It's "LOOK AT THE TAX!! LOOK AT IT!! THIS IS WHERE THEY LIVE AND WORK!!"

abouttobebanned

Sully wrote: »

Your okay talking about the DJ but not the Chinese? :S

Ah no...I just thought ah here..the floodgates will open now.

SillyMcCarthy

http://www.revenue.ie/en/press/defaulters/index.html

April to June 2010 / Part 2.

ziedth

At first I didn't really see an issue with this because it's up there on revenue.ie and its not any different to talking about a court case verdict(that happens all the time) but having thought about it this morning I'm no longer comfortable with it.

IMHO we don't need to discuss this in such detail. It kind of goes against the spirit of the forum to personally name people. A blanket OP on there was how ever many thousands of euro not paid by people last year from Waterford (and link to the website) would serve the same purpose without naming anyone.

BlaasForRafa

ziedth wrote: »

At first I didn't really see an issue with this because it's up there on revenue.ie and its not any different to talking about a court case verdict(that happens all the time) but having thought about it this morning I'm no longer comfortable with it.

IMHO we don't need to discuss this in such detail. It kind of goes against the spirit of the forum to personally name people. A blanket OP on there was how ever many thousands of euro not paid by people last year from Waterford (and link to the website) would serve the same purpose without naming anyone.

Why? Part of the punishment is to be named and shamed and to make use of social pressure to make sure it dosen't happen again.

These people had the choice as to whether to pay tax or not and made an express decision to evade and to turn their noses up at the state and rip off the public in general. Part of the problem with white collar crime is that it is seen as being "victimless" and sweeping it under the carpet does nothing to disabuse people of this opinion.

ziedth

I'm not saying it's not a crime and they shouldn't be named. What I'm getting at is do we the users of this forum really need to shine the spotlight on anyone? I don't think we do.

MitchKoobski

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Why? Part of the punishment is to be named and shamed and to make use of social pressure to make sure it dosen't happen again.

Well unless each of these people are regular boards members and visit the Waterford City forum AND look in this thread, then there is no social pressure on them and its simply posting up their details online.

BlaasForRafa

MitchKoobski wrote: »

Well unless each of these people are regular boards members and visit the Waterford City forum AND look in this thread, then there is no social pressure on them and its simply posting up their details online.

Do you think boards users don't talk to non-boards users? :rolleyes:

MitchKoobski

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Do you think boards users don't talk to non-boards users? :rolleyes:

Obviously, but I seriously doubt any of them talk about random people's tax status, where they live and what their job is. Would you walk right up to the person and ask them about their tax?

Sully

SillyMcCarthy wrote: »

http://www.revenue.ie/en/press/defaulters/index.html

April to June 2010 / Part 2.

Thanks

BlaasForRafa

MitchKoobski wrote: »

Obviously, but I seriously doubt any of them talk about random people's tax status, where they live and what their job is. Would you walk right up to the person and ask them about their tax?

Are you serious? Of course people talk about this sort of stuff all the time. "did you hear about X, I hear he got caught by the nackers by the revenue for 100k" ..."yeah, X is a c**t" etc.

MitchKoobski

Must just be other people then. I can honestly says I've never had or wanted to have a conversation about someones tax status. Leave it to them and the Revenue.

Musicman2000

Pity the government and the revenue weren’t so quick to chase the bankers and property developers that brought down this country, Oh and what about all the political donations giving over the years, was that taxed?? NO

mytime

I posted this as I always look for Waterford people or people I know in any of these lists be it 100 wealthiest or tax defaulters or even court cases in the Munster Express. It was not inteneded to be a witch hunt.
Incidentally this list was published in Fridays Irish Times I dont have link to it but I have a copy at home.

Yes Boss

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Why? Part of the punishment is to be named and shamed and to make use of social pressure to make sure it dosen't happen again.

These people had the choice as to whether to pay tax or not and made an express decision to evade and to turn their noses up at the state and rip off the public in general. Part of the problem with white collar crime is that it is seen as being "victimless" and sweeping it under the carpet does nothing to disabuse people of this opinion.

I would suggest that anyone who gets an audit and have to pay out such a large sum of money will never default again. I believe that naming them on a public forum is personal. Sad really....:(

mozattack

SillyMcCarthy wrote: »

MEOW YOONG
KAM,
JOSEPHINE8 O'CONNEL STREET,WATERFORD.RESTAURATEUR
1,147,247.00Underdeclaration of Income Tax and VAT. Revenue Single Premium Insurance Products Case.

Who is this - its a lot of money.

Sure Revenue will waste it on teacher's pensions anyway so whoever did hold back on their taxes is right to hold that point of view.

jayboi

MEOW YOONG
KAM,
JOSEPHINE8 O'CONNEL STREET,WATERFORD.RESTAURATEUR
1,147,247.00Underdeclaration of Income Tax and VAT. Revenue Single Premium Insurance Products Case.

Who is this - its a lot of money.

mozattack wrote: »

Who is this - its a lot of money.

Maxium House :rolleyes:

jimbojazz

SillyMcCarthy wrote: »

MEOW YOONG
KAM,
JOSEPHINE8 O'CONNEL STREET,WATERFORD.RESTAURATEUR
1,147,247.00Underdeclaration of Income Tax and VAT. Revenue Single Premium Insurance Products Case.

I hope that's not an extract from the menu:)

abouttobebanned

Crispy cat in a plum sauce.

dayshah

Feck sake, what's boards for? I understand if we can't discuss something that might be libellous, but this is 100% verified. No-one should be blocked from discussing what's on the public record. Tax evasion is thieving from honest tax payers like me. I should know if someone is a tax evader, and hold a grudge against them for the rest of their natural lives. If people don't want to be talked about they should respect the law.

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I'd imagine it will take them a long time to get that 91k though. I mean this is tax he should have been paying for many years so I presume is well spent by now. So he'll either have to pay it off over a very long period of time, or I dunno, go to jail?

He can be forced to sell his house.

abouttobebanned

You're missing my point. I have no problem with his name on the website and I won't lose any sleep about it being here. But why stop with this? Why don't we start reproducing the court pages as well? Lets name and shame the people who had enough hash to roll 17 cigarettes...or the person who called a guard a pig when he was pissed.

dayshah

abouttobebanned wrote: »

You're missing my point. I have no problem with his name on the website and I won't lose any sleep about it being here. But why stop with this? Why don't we start reproducing the court pages as well? Lets name and shame the people who had enough hash to roll 17 cigarettes...or the person who called a guard a pig when he was pissed.

Could make for some interesting threads

But in fairness to Ricky, even within Waterford he one of the smaller evaders. Its just that he has a profile.

barneystinson

MitchKoobski wrote: »

Must just be other people then. I can honestly says I've never had or wanted to have a conversation about someones tax status. Leave it to them and the Revenue.

Well the way I see it, anyone who doesn't pay their share of tax is stealing from me, you and every other honest person in the country.

So, if someone had been done for embezzling money from their colleagues, or for stealing / shoplifting, you wouldn't talk about that with anyone either?

You should run for president if you're truly that virtuous Mitch..!

MitchKoobski

barneystinson wrote: »

You should run for president if you're truly that virtuous Mitch..!

Given the shower we have running I'd probably win.

"Keep Calm and It'll Be Grand"

MITCH 2011