Pension

The Skulls

Hi all, just wondering if any serving or ex members if the PDF be able to answer a question about the army pension; a man who left the army about 22 years ago after 10 years service as a 3 star private, does this man get a pension? If so how much would it amount to?

Thanks.

dahamster

The Skulls wrote: »

Hi all, just wondering if any serving or ex members if the PDF be able to answer a question about the army pension; a man who left the army about 22 years ago after 10 years service as a 3 star private, does this man get a pension? If so how much would it amount to?

Thanks.

He has no pension entitlement.

time lord

If he didn't take back contributions from revenue he will have 10 years towards a non means tested contributary pension at 65.

SIRREX

No he wouldn't as at that time Army personnel did not make any contribution towards their pension. This was the reason why Army wages were kept lower than Garda wages, the difference supposedly being equivilant to the pension contribution that we should have been making

time lord

SIRREX wrote: »

No he wouldn't as at that time Army personnel did not make any contribution towards their pension. This was the reason why Army wages were kept lower than Garda wages, the difference supposedly being equivilant to the pension contribution that we should have been making

I joined the Army in 1989 about 22 years ago. I left in 1998 when my initial contract expired and the revenue offered me my contributions back in one cheque or I could transfer my service to my new employer.
The Army being kept on lower wages than the Gardaí for pension contribution reasons is a nonsence. As this was years ago things might of changed with the Gardai since but my brother still serving in AGS with thirty years service has no entitlement to an old age pension as he never paid a full stamp.

SIRREX

time lord wrote: »

I joined the Army in 1989 about 22 years ago. I left in 1998 when my initial contract expired and the revenue offered me my contributions back in one cheque or I could transfer my service to my new employer.
Well I joined in '86 so we served under the same contract. The only way your service could be carried forward for pension is if you were going to another branch of the public service. Any pension you were offered back would have only been you contributions towards the Widows & Orphans pension
The Army being kept on lower wages than the Gardaí for pension contribution reasons is a nonsence.
Nonsense or not it is something that has been used before by government to deny claims for wage increases
As this was years ago things might of changed with the Gardai since but my brother still serving in AGS with thirty years service has no entitlement to an old age pension as he never paid a full stamp.
I can't speak for AGS but members of the DF are entitled to a state contributary pension, but anyone with more than a 21 year pension must drop back to the 21 year pension upon qualifying for the state pension

Hope that answers a few questions, this is something I have dealt with as a rep

Milk & Honey

Soldiers in the Army pay a class H PRSI contribution. Commissioned Officers pay a Class C. All Guards, commissioned or not, pay Class C.
Class H is at a higher rate than Class C.
Class H contributions are reckonable towards the contributory old age pension. Class C contributions are not.
The apparent reason for that situation is that Commissioned Officers and guards traditionally had lifelong careers and would qualify for the full occupational pension whereas the ranks in the army had a much higher percentage of individuals with short service. 3, 6,9 years etc. Many would not qualify for an occupational pension at all.

dodgydes

Good informative post, thanks.

No such thing as commissioned guards though, me thinks?