the republican party

laoch na mona · 15-09-2011 7:56pm #1

i am wondering why FF still call themselves republican
i know they were originally but i don't understand why they still use the name

(please don't reply if you are going to insult anyone:mad: )

anymore · 15-09-2011 8:40pm

It is a spelling error- they were going to call themsels The Publicans Party !

round tower huntsman · 15-09-2011 8:56pm

laoch na mona wrote: »

i am wondering why FF still call themselves republican
i know they were originally but i don't understand why they still use the name

(please don't reply if you are going to insult anyone:mad: )

why wouldnt they use it? in what way are they not republican?

Mr.Micro · 15-09-2011 9:03pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

why wouldnt they use it? in what way are they not republican?

well FF are s*ite and would one call a s*ite republican? No, its a s*ite.

round tower huntsman · 15-09-2011 9:06pm

i was just looking for the op's opinion on why they arent republican. im not a ff'er so relax.

Mr.Micro · 15-09-2011 9:09pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

i was just looking for the op's opinion on why they arent republican. im not a ff'er so relax.

No insult meant, was just making sure posters know the difference.

laoch na mona · 15-09-2011 9:12pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

why wouldnt they use it? in what way are they not republican?

they were against the ira during the troubles (i know there was secret support)
martin mansergh is as far from republican as you can get
i have nothing against them just wondering about the name

round tower huntsman · 15-09-2011 9:18pm

martin manseragh was one of the architects of the gfa,is the gfa as far from republican as you can get?
lots of parties have supported armed resistence when it suited em and then condemn it when it doesnt are they not republican!
your right though ff certainly are not republican.

teol · 15-09-2011 9:19pm

laoch na mona wrote: »

they were against the ira during the troubles (i know there was secret support)
martin mansergh is as far from republican as you can get
i have nothing against them just wondering about the name

Supporting a terrorist organisation does not make you a republican. How are you confused???

teol · 15-09-2011 9:23pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

martin manseragh was one of the architects of the gfa,is the gfa as far from republican as you can get?
lots of parties have supported armed resistence when it suited em and then condemn it when it doesnt are they not republican!
your right though ff certainly are not republican.

The GFA was voted for by the people.

CSC · 15-09-2011 9:24pm

How do you define Republican?

I would personally say that anyone who supports the vision of a 32 County Democratic Irish Republic should be considered an Irish Republican.

FF didn't support the Provos just like Sinn Fein now don't support the dissident groups, doesn't make either party less Republican in my view.

round tower huntsman · 15-09-2011 9:24pm

teol wrote: »

The GFA was voted for by the people.

so was the first dail and the forced brit treaty after it.

teol · 15-09-2011 9:26pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

so was the first dail and the forced brit treaty after it.

Please live in the year 2011, like everyone else.

laoch na mona · 15-09-2011 9:28pm

round tower huntsman wrote: »

martin manseragh was one of the architects of the gfa,is the gfa as far from republican as you can get?
lots of parties have supported armed resistence when it suited em and then condemn it when it doesnt are they not republican!
your right though ff certainly are not republican.

no the gfa was great for republicans
and the north

round tower huntsman · 15-09-2011 9:30pm

laoch na mona wrote: »

no the gfa was great for republicans
and the north

but martin manseragh helped design it!!! remember you said he's as far away as you can get from a republican, funny that.

laoch na mona · 15-09-2011 9:31pm

teol wrote: »

Supporting a terrorist organisation does not make you a republican. How are you confused???

im just saying that at the time republicans were oppressed and denied civil rights
this isnt the time for that debate

round tower huntsman · 15-09-2011 9:32pm

teol wrote: »

Please live in the year 2011, like everyone else.

i do.

laoch na mona · 15-09-2011 9:33pm

CSC wrote: »

How do you define Republican?

I would personally say that anyone who supports the vision of a 32 County Democratic Irish Republic should be considered an Irish Republican.

FF didn't support the Provos just like Sinn Fein now don't support the dissident groups, doesn't make either party less Republican in my view.

they didn't ever actively work towards one

teol · 15-09-2011 9:37pm

laoch na mona wrote: »

they didn't ever actively work towards one

Would you not consider the GFA actively working towards a 32 County Democratic Republic?

laoch na mona · 15-09-2011 9:40pm

teol wrote: »

Would you not consider the GFA actively working towards a 32 County Democratic Republic?

they just did the paper work and bertie tried to stop it

CSC · 15-09-2011 9:41pm

laoch na mona wrote: »

they just did the paper work and bertie tried to stop it

What did he try to stop?

laoch na mona · 15-09-2011 9:46pm

real early on he got angry about something he never would have i dont tink
their dont define themselves as republican therefore they are not

round tower huntsman · 15-09-2011 9:47pm

the last thing ff want is a 32 county socialist republic.

teol · 15-09-2011 9:48pm

laoch na mona wrote: »

real early on he got angry about something he never would have i dont tink
their dont define themselves as republican therefore they are not

Please use sentences, punctuation and capital letters. I can't understand your point

round tower huntsman · 15-09-2011 9:48pm

laoch na mona wrote: »

real early on he got angry about something he never would have i dont tink
their dont define themselves as republican therefore they are not

what age are you? not trying to insult you just curious.

Godge · 15-09-2011 9:50pm

This is a pointless thread. The word "republican" is among the most abused in Irish political life. Just google it and see how confused the debate is.

I cam across this quote on Wikipedia:

"David Wootton, for instance, argues that throughout history the meanings of the term republicanism have been so diverse, and at times contradictory, that the term is all but meaningless and any attempt to build a cogent ideology based on it will fail."

I think it accurately describes republicanism in Ireland.

Dirk Gently · 15-09-2011 9:52pm

depends how you define republic tbh. Is a republic a free democratic and just society or does it also apply to corrupt self serving pandering to vested interests at the expense of the general population. Does a republic have standards?

Most countries who make a transition from an old system to become a republic have certain progressive ideals which define that new republic, we frankly didn't. We took a step backwards and created an ultra conservative priest ridden nation propped up by rural cults. Our leaders were directed by church and vested interests rather than led the building of a new republic. Our definition of republic was basically it's perfectly ok to strangle a population once it was Irish men doing the strangling and a tri-colour flew over government buildings.

Any discussion on republicanism which doesn't define what our republic actually is is irrelevant whether its a discussion on 26 or 32 counties.

IMO FF are an anti-republican party because I believe a republic should be transparent and accountable in the decisions it's leaders take. Thats just my opinion though, some people would regard a republic simply as having a popular vote to elect parish pumpers to a corrupt system. Personally I'm still awaiting the first Irish republic, either the 26 or 32 county kind.

laoch na mona · 15-09-2011 9:54pm

teol wrote: »

Please use sentences, punctuation and capital letters. I can't understand your point

Thanks for the personal comment. What was the need for that?

teol · 15-09-2011 9:56pm

laoch na mona wrote: »

Thanks for the personal comment. What was the need for that?

It wasn't a snipe. Just makes it easier to have a discussion.

Godge · 15-09-2011 9:58pm

laoch na mona wrote: »

Thanks for the personal comment. What was the need for that?

To be fair to him, I don't understand that post you made either. He could haven just asked you to explain better.

laoch na mona · 15-09-2011 10:02pm

teol wrote: »

It wasn't a snipe. Just makes it easier to have a discussion.

Aright no harm done.

raymon · 15-09-2011 10:15pm

Traitors to the republic can't be republicans surely ?

Fitzerb · 16-09-2011 12:15am

On boards .ie Republicans are people who support the idea of the armed struggle for a 32 county (from a very long distance), They also vote SF, head to Celtic Park and sing stupid songs about other people, they are mostly in the mid 20's and know as much about N Ireland as my "you know what" knows about space aviation.

They will have a view that there never was or is a republican who was not a member of SF

laoch na mona · 04-10-2011 7:49pm

Fitzerb wrote: »

On boards .ie Republicans are people who support the idea of the armed struggle for a 32 county (from a very long distance), They also vote SF, head to Celtic Park and sing stupid songs about other people, they are mostly in the mid 20's and know as much about N Ireland as my "you know what" knows about space aviation.

They will have a view that there never was or is a republican who was not a member of SF

that doesn't describe me I don't support celtic and I know a decent amount about the north

Teclo · 05-10-2011 3:29pm

A few republicans but not a Celtic jersey in sight.

the republican party

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