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Big bright orange "balls" flying over Drumcondra just now---who saw them???

  • 14-09-2011 9:37pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭


    I`ve just come back from Tescos and whilst walking up through Drumcondra I spotted two large orange balls of fire "flying" through the night sky.
    They were lower down than a plane but not by much. They were large enough that I could see their glowing orange colour.
    My first thought was chinese lanterns but they were definatly flying in a fast steady course rather than floating and were far too high and big anyway.
    I then thought they may have been meteors but they were not fast enough really. They were moving with about the same speed as a plane, one foloowed a few mins behind the other.

    Anyone else see these?
    Any idea what they were?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    For the last time on this forum.............they were

    CHINESE LANTERNS


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭Ruthie-Roux


    Did you bother to read my post at all?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Did you bother to read my post at all?

    Yes you described Chinese Lanterns
    "orange balls of fire", "glowing orange colour"

    As for "they were definatly flying in a fast steady course rather than floating and were far too high and big anyway". How do you know for certain they were high and big as opposed to low and small??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭BULLER


    My first thought was chinese lanterns but they were definatly flying in a fast steady course rather than floating and were far too high and big anyway.

    A steady course? Like the wind perhaps?!

    They were Chinese lanterns mate. Check the wind direction at the moment and I guarentee they'll be heading the around the same way.
    There's one of these threads every 2 weeks thats why you got a hostile response!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,341 ✭✭✭emo72


    god help us all if aliens decide to visit in chinese lantern style spaceships. wont we look stupid then:pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


    I saw one in corkcity last nite
    big huge orange ball flying low over countryside north of city
    it was no plane or chopper thats for sure.
    have not told anyone yet
    I has just looking at it thinking WTF

    I am not joking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭clintondaly


    maybe they were irish lanterns


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭youtube!


    I guess we can expect a huge influx of these threads with halloween just a few weeks away,we should have a chinese lantern forum!:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    I saw one in corkcity last nite
    big huge orange ball flying low over countryside north of city
    it was no plane or chopper thats for sure.
    have not told anyone yet
    I has just looking at it thinking WTF

    I am not joking.

    It was a Chinese lantern.

    I am not joking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭Bodhisopha


    Wow, pretty rude response to the OP.

    Ruthie, there were sightings of an asteroid last night in the US. I don't know if an asteroid would look as you described, though as i know nothing about that sort of thing.

    Here's a link to various reports.

    http://www.google.ie/#q=meteor&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnms&tbm=nws&ei=OTxyTqI604eFB7ucmdYJ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQ_AUoAw&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=3a562982980cb145&biw=1280&bih=685


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭Ruthie-Roux


    Bodhisopha wrote: »
    Wow, pretty rude response to the OP.
    Ruthie, there were sightings of an asteroid last night in the US. I don't know if an asteroid would look as you described, though as i know nothing about that sort of thing.

    Here's a link to various reports.

    http://www.google.ie/#q=meteor&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnms&tbm=nws&ei=OTxyTqI604eFB7ucmdYJ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQ_AUoAw&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=3a562982980cb145&biw=1280&bih=685

    Thanks Bodhisopha, I did think it was a fairly immature, rude response hence not wasting my time on further discussion.
    (I take that all orange lights spotted in the sky are to be assumed to be chinese lanterns until proven otherwise?? And anyone who says otherwise shall be taunted with a big scary font.. LOL)

    I took a look at those links. I wondered about it possibly being some other object like a comet or small asteroid or meteor etc but I dont think so just because of the way they were moving.
    As a final word on the chinese lanterns ...I am very familiar with chinese lanterns, have seen them many a time. These were not, I repeat NOT chinese lantern, unless of course that is, they were super duper chinese lanterns, manned by a pilot who managed to trek in a straight line actross the night sky at approximatly the same speed as a plane.

    Lastly, unless those who have stated they are definatly chinese lanterns were actually standing and watching them at the time, you have nothing to go on but blind assumption based on the fact that they were orange lights.

    (ps--I took a pic on my phone but the quality is poor. I called Dunsink observatory to ask if they had any info on the objects but no answer on the line)

    I would be interested to know what they were.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Thanks Bodhisopha, I did think it was a fairly immature, rude response hence not wasting my time on further discussion.
    (I take that all orange lights spotted in the sky are to be assumed to be chinese lanterns until proven otherwise?? And anyone who says otherwise shall be taunted with a big scary font.. LOL)

    I took a look at those links. I wondered about it possibly being some other object like a comet or small asteroid or meteor etc but I dont think so just because of the way they were moving.
    As a final word on the chinese lanterns ...I am very familiar with chinese lanterns, have seen them many a time. These were not, I repeat NOT chinese lantern, unless of course that is, they were super duper chinese lanterns, manned by a pilot who managed to trek in a straight line actross the night sky at approximatly the same speed as a plane.

    Lastly, unless those who have stated they are definatly chinese lanterns were actually standing and watching them at the time, you have nothing to go on but blind assumption based on the fact that they were orange lights.

    (ps--I took a pic on my phone but the quality is poor. I called Dunsink observatory to ask if they had any info on the objects but no answer on the line)

    I would be interested to know what they were.

    Apologies for the reaction but I just don't understand how you can be 100% sure that they were not Chinese lanterns. I also don't understand how you know that they were flying as fast as an aircraft. What point of reference or equipment did you use to measure their speed at hundreds of km per hour?

    Your description of them points 100% to them being Chinese lanterns.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭youtube!


    when these things catch the prevailing breeze they really can zip across the sky and it does look like they are really travelling at a fast speed,but look its near halloween i have seen them my self tonight and depending at what height they get to they can look like all sorts of different things, i have been fooled myself in the past!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭Ruthie-Roux


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Apologies for the reaction but I just don't understand how you can be 100% sure that they were not Chinese lanterns. I also don't understand how you know that they were flying as fast as an aircraft. What point of reference or equipment did you use to measure their speed at hundreds of km per hour?Your description of them points 100% to them being Chinese lanterns.


    Namloc you are seriously taking the piss with that ffs. Why would I carry instruments in my coat pocket? Im not sure what you are trying to prove here, seeing as you didnt even see the objects yourself. Being endowed with normal adult human perception of speed and distance I have the ability to liken one speed to another, ie that person was walking as fast as the other one, or this car was travelling approximatly the same speed as that etc. The objects were approximatley as fast as

    a plane. Anyone is capable of making an approximate judgement of one thing moving at a similar speed to another. Im not sure what you are getting out of the nit-picking on this.

    Again, you were not there, you did not see them , (my question was if anyone SAW them and you clearly did not) so other than that they were orange and in the sky I dont know where you are getting your "100 per cent" assumption.

    Im not really sure where the confrontation is coming from. You seem to be have this need to be "right" about an object you did not even see. It was a simple question for christs sake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,379 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Namloc you are seriously taking the piss with that ffs. Why would I carry instruments in my coat pocket? Im not sure what you are trying to prove here, seeing as you didnt even see the objects yourself. Being endowed with normal adult human perception of speed and distance I have the ability to liken one speed to another, ie that person was walking as fast as the other one, or this car was travelling approximatly the same speed as that etc. The objects were approximatley as fast as

    a plane. Anyone is capable of making an approximate judgement of one thing moving at a similar speed to another. Im not sure what you are getting out of the nit-picking on this.

    Again, you were not there, you did not see them , (my question was if anyone SAW them and you clearly did not) so other than that they were orange and in the sky I dont know where you are getting your "100 per cent" assumption.

    Im not really sure where the confrontation is coming from. You seem to be have this need to be "right" about an object you did not even see. It was a simple question for christs sake.

    The point is that the object was in the sky and you had no point of reference to estimate it's distance from you let alone it's speed. You had no idea how big or small the object was so your perception of it's distance and speed is flawed. Look at this video of what are clearly Chinese lanterns:



    The people in the video are convinced the objects are massive and travelling at great speed. Human perception is not as good as you think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Being endowed with normal adult human perception of speed and distance I have the ability to liken one speed to another, ie that person was walking as fast as the other one, or this car was travelling approximatly the same speed as that etc. The objects were approximatley as fast as a plane.
    Anyone is capable of making an approximate judgement of one thing moving at a similar speed to another.
    In fairness you have perfectly described a few Chinese lanterns, if as you say you are "endowed with normal adult human perception of speed and distance", then like all people you cannot accurately judge the speed and distance of a single light in the night sky, because, as has been pointed out, you had no frame of reference, there was nothing to compare with what you were looking at. A large, high and fast moving object looks identical to a small, low and slow moving one.
    It is a totally normal mistake to make and once you think the object is big and high that is exactly what you will see, even if in reality it is tiny and just above your head.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭JustAddWater


    In fairness you have perfectly described a few Chinese lanterns

    Because the OP said they were orange??

    Chinese lanterns are NOT the only thing orange in the sky you know...

    http://t.co/rEK0Di1B


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Because the OP said they were orange??

    Chinese lanterns are NOT the only thing orange in the sky you know...

    http://t.co/rEK0Di1B
    No, because the OP mentioned two objects a few minutes apart, that moved with the apparent speed of a plane, were "balls of fire" and were a glowing orange colour.

    Meteors tend to be a bit faster than the apparent speed of a plane, which the OP mentioned. :rolleyes:
    Why bother giving a link to things that dramatically "streak" across the sky in a thread describing objects nothing like that?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 687 ✭✭✭headmaster


    How dare you demand that everyone dismiss everything other than chinese lanterns. I can assure people, "THESE ARE NOT CHINESE LANTERNS". British astronomy last night issued warnings to the Irish aviation authorities, to be extremely wary of unknown tangerine spotted aircraft in their airspace and even Ryanair and Aer Lingus are this morning contemplating grounding aircraft until everything has been given total clearance. An apology would be appropriate under the circumstances. Thank you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Im not really sure where the confrontation is coming from.

    We know what you saw, and you don't.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭djhaxman


    Can't we get a thread stickied for people to post this stuff in? Or at least to tell them about Chinese lanterns. Seriously, after 50 million similar threads it gets boring.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 687 ✭✭✭headmaster


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    The point is that the object was in the sky and you had no point of reference to estimate it's distance from you let alone it's speed. You had no idea how big or small the object was so your perception of it's distance and speed is flawed. Look at this video of what are clearly Chinese lanterns:



    The people in the video are convinced the objects are massive and travelling at great speed. Human perception is not as good as you think.

    You silly man. These people looking at the flying machines are English people, what the hell do you expect?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭BULLER



    Excellent! I am bookmarking that post and using it the next time this comes up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    headmaster wrote: »
    You silly man. These people looking at the flying machines are English people, what the hell do you expect?

    Oi! ROFL


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭slade_x


    headmaster wrote: »
    British astronomy last night issued warnings to the Irish aviation authorities, to be extremely wary of unknown tangerine spotted aircraft in their airspace and even Ryanair and Aer Lingus are this morning contemplating grounding aircraft until everything has been given total clearance.

    I am unaware of such a group and also of any such happenings, I personally know passengers on flights with ryanair from yesterday and even today that have not been notified of any potential distruptions to their itineraries. Also many customers booking outgoing flights with aerlingus, ryanair, wizzair etc have not received any such information either?

    Do you have a link?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭NoQuarter


    slade_x wrote: »
    I am unaware of such a group and also of any such happenings, I personally know passengers on flights with ryanair from yesterday and even today that have not been notified of any potential distruptions to their itineraries. Also many customers booking outgoing flights with aerlingus, ryanair, wizzair etc have not received any such information either?

    Do you have a link?

    Oh man.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 687 ✭✭✭headmaster


    slade_x wrote: »
    I am unaware of such a group and also of any such happenings, I personally know passengers on flights with ryanair from yesterday and even today that have not been notified of any potential distruptions to their itineraries. Also many customers booking outgoing flights with aerlingus, ryanair, wizzair etc have not received any such information either?

    Do you have a link?


    Yes, I do.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭slade_x


    headmaster wrote: »
    Yes, I do.

    could you post it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    lol


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭youtube!


    Moderator I think he may be taking the pisss :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 687 ✭✭✭headmaster


    slade_x wrote: »
    could you post it


    Not with the state of the Irish postal system is in and you wouldn't get it until next tuesday. If you send me a stamp, i'll post it, but i'm not paying for it. Ok?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭slade_x


    headmaster wrote: »
    Not with the state of the Irish postal system is in and you wouldn't get it until next tuesday. If you send me a stamp, i'll post it, but i'm not paying for it. Ok?

    Oh no i wouldnt send you a stamp you wouldn't get it until next week, then i wouldnt get what i want to receive until the week after, if i get it at all, (plus its costs the price of a stamp to post a stamp, imagine that), i also couldnt trust a third party as the last time i trusted a third party to deliver a parcel it ended up getting delivery to my address just in a different county, apparently dublin have some of the same addresses as down here.

    To add insult to injury last year i applied for a new credit card, you wouldnt believe the state my pin and particluars arrived in :

    dsc0009small.th.jpg
    Uploaded with ImageShack.us

    Above is the actual photo, it came with a little disclaimer basically saying "yeah sorry about that, woops" :p


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 687 ✭✭✭headmaster


    slade_x wrote: »
    Oh no i wouldnt send you a stamp you wouldn't get it until next week, then i wouldnt get what i want to receive until the week after, if i get it at all, (plus its costs the price of a stamp to post a stamp, imagine that), i also couldnt trust a third party as the last time i trusted a third party to deliver a parcel it ended up getting delivery to my address just in a different county, apparently dublin have some of the same addresses as down here.

    To add insult to injury last year i applied for a new credit card, you wouldnt believe the state my pin and particluars arrived in :

    dsc0009small.th.jpg
    Uploaded with ImageShack.us

    Above is the actual photo, it came with a little disclaimer basically saying "yeah sorry about that, woops" :p


    Sorry Slade,
    that looks like a bloody raw chicken. Somehow I think you're taking the mickey. You're not going to be given the link now, so buzz off and stop annoying good honest people, just because they're a bit innocent.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭slade_x


    headmaster wrote: »
    Sorry Slade,
    that looks like a bloody raw chicken. Somehow I think you're taking the mickey. You're not going to be given the link now, so buzz off and stop annoying good honest people, just because they're a bit innocent.

    i must apologise, it was not my intent to cause harm. it seems perfectly rational to identify an unidentified object as an identified one on the premise of, "i know what i saw", which may stem from the undesired realisation that the vast majority of people dont like the idea that their perception can fail them quite easily.

    Its good that when the moon is so close to the horizon that it still appears very similar to what the moon actually looks like, otherwise we would have some very fanciful claims. To date i have yet to meet or have an encounter with someone who can escape that obvious flaw in all of our perceptions. Even when we know what is happening it still affects us

    I'll never understand the lack of rational behaviour when it comes to such things. Unfortunately when some can't identify something, they ask others to identify it only to then contradict the advise or speculation they get saying "they know what they saw and that wasnt it" which defeats the purpose of asking in the first place. And dont respond positively until they come across the suggestion that it may be what they hope it is.

    The hope for some strange reason seems to be aliens that have traversed great distances to reach an agreement with governments that their existance remain a secret yet all the while piloting (very badly i might add) incredibly bright/ sometimes flashing and hard to miss vehicles that basically seem to have the only purpose of gaining attention than the opposite, i guess in their very strange language stealth means something entirely different to them than us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭Ruthie-Roux


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    The point is that the object was in the sky and you had no point of reference to estimate it's distance from you let alone it's speed. You had no idea how big or small the object was so your perception of it's distance and speed is flawed. Look at this video of what are clearly Chinese lanterns:



    The people in the video are convinced the objects are massive and travelling at great speed. Human perception is not as good as you think.


    The above was not anything like what I saw the other night. The objects in the video are as you say, clearly chinese lanterns. What I was looking at the other night have nothing more in common with the above than that they were orange.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭Ruthie-Roux


    slade_x wrote: »
    I'll never understand the lack of rational behaviour when it comes to such things. Unfortunately when some can't identify something, they ask others to identify it only to then contradict the advise or speculation they get saying "they know what they saw and that wasnt it" which defeats the purpose of asking in the first place. And dont respond positively until they come across the suggestion that it may be what they hope it is.

    Firstly, Never at any point did I say "I know what I saw" although I would like to point out that plenty of others seem to think they "know" what I saw, despite not having been there.
    I asked if anyone else had SEEN these, which clearly noone else on this discussion has, so its a moot point. I was looking for opinions not a definate identification. From the outset I mentioned that my first thought was chinese lanterns but they looked dissimilar so looking for other ideas. As for not taking it positively......I do not take positively to massive childlike fonts and confrontational, pathetic attempts at slag-offs when I was asking for an opinion. (other, I repeat OTHER than chinese lanterns). I also do not take positivly to being spoken to/about like an idiot because my opinion on these differs from your/others. Most people wouldn`t.
    slade_x wrote: »
    The hope for some strange reason seems to be aliens that have traversed great distances to reach an agreement with governments that their existance remain a secret yet all the while piloting (very badly i might add) incredibly bright/ sometimes flashing and hard to miss vehicles that basically seem to have the only purpose of gaining attention than the opposite, i guess in their very strange language stealth means something entirely different to them than us.
    You have a colourful imagination because I never suggested or alluded to any such thing. I simply asked for opinions on some lights I saw which in my opinion did not look like chinese lanterns.
    In any case I give up on this thread as I take it that the general assumption is that any bright orange light in the sky is by default a chinese lantern and no other possibility is worth discussing. :pac: Bye now


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭slade_x


    The above was not anything like what I saw the other night. The objects in the video are as you say, clearly chinese lanterns. What I was looking at the other night have nothing more in common with the above than that they were orange.

    From your initial description
    I spotted two large orange balls of fire "flying" through the night sky.
    They were lower down than a plane but not by much. They were large enough that I could see their glowing orange colour.
    My first thought was chinese lanterns but they were definatly flying in a fast steady course rather than floating and were far too high and big anyway.

    You describe the behaviour of a lantern, balls of fire, glowing, fast steady course. They have many different behaviours depending on a variety of conditions, hence most peoples confusion with what they usually associate them with before they lose interest.
    I have even been in the presence of people who have launched lanterns many times only to later have to endure when they see what they dont think is a lantern. Carrying a dslr camera or pair of bino's(as i am prone to do) quickly corrects them in their misidentification.

    Flying and not floating?, you seem adamant on the fact that it was flying? how do you differentiate between the two? Flying equalling intelligent control; aircraft, birds, controlled kites. What about manned balloons/ blimps which also float through bouyancy but that which are flying. Are you stating it was intelligently controlled just because it had a fast steady course (a behaviour i have witnessed from lanterns many times)

    lanterns floating in the right weather conditions can follow a fast/slow steady/erratic course, the behaviour you describe is most common when initialy rising before they hit other air currents that could affect their trajectory or exhibit random or percieved controlled flight, but its also possible for them to exhibit this behaviour at a much higher altitude also. The dynamics of our atmosphere continue to be a difficult area of study, dont believe me? catch the next weather forecast, there may be a chance of rain, cloud cover even sunshine, theres also a chance it'll be completely wrong. A lantern at different altitudes can really go a long way in allowing us to observe the erratic and unpredictable nature of our atmosphere in an easy visual way, even when it seems relatively calm (their unpredictability is one of the exciting factors in launching them in the first place)

    I just saw one lantern being set off not more than 2 hours ago and if i had to describe it as it rose into the atmosphere it looked like an orange ball of fire (the very reason it lifts) on a steady trajectory moving away from me across the sky. As for estimating its speed, i dont have a reference point to go on as much as i dont have reference for an aircraft other than having a general knowledge of how fast the most popular aircrafts can travel at. No more so than i can judge the speed or even the coverage of the edge of a cloud, i could go outside right now and look at any edge of even a seemingly stationary cloud and i can say that i could not even offer a prediction of where exactly that point of the cloud is directly over in relation to land. It would be nothing more than a guess and considering the complete lack of reference on my part it would be completely wrong.

    What other type of suspended flame would you associate with a ball of fire?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭slade_x


    Firstly, Never at any point did I say "I know what I saw" although I would like to point out that plenty of others seem to think they "know" what I saw, despite not having been there.

    You were adamant at the fact that there was no way they were chinese lanterns yet what you described describes exactly that. And some posters need not be present at the initial sighting to help identify what a user is trying to describe as the most commonly misidentified objects are well known.




    I asked if anyone else had SEEN these, which clearly noone else on this discussion has, so its a moot point. I was looking for opinions not a definate identification. From the outset I mentioned that my first thought was chinese lanterns but they looked dissimilar so looking for other ideas.



    You have a colourful imagination because I never suggested or alluded to any such thing. I simply asked for opinions on some lights I saw which in my opinion did not look like chinese lanterns.

    That was a general response on my part to this type of event, i wasnt singling you out or putting suggestions in your mouth, it just tends to be the general reaction. The "i dont know what i saw but i know for a fact it wasnt that mentality". For the record i know many people, friends and family included that can say they can identify a lantern, are very aware of them and have also launched them many times but there have been other times where they were mistaken. I have also, i could be happy to conclude it was a lantern without really knowing for sure as thats the most likely culprit given the sighting but a run for my bino's always gives me a satisfying conclusion.

    In all seriousness you came here for the opinions of others who share an interest much like your own as they may be able to shed a little more light on the subject to reach a general consensus of something you are unsure of. For the type of sighting u witnessed its hard not to conclude it was a lantern.

    As said before the speed of an aircraft far away can be easily mistaken for the speed of another slower object much closer by anyone, and given the physical size of a lantern and apparent luminosity (at the time of the sighting - as its fuel diminishes over time) at different distances it makes it incredibly difficult to get the accurate speed of an object at altitude from one you cant readily identify and dont know exactly how far away it really is, as the same is true for judging speed as it is for judging luminosity and distance; A brighter larger object further away can appear just as close or as bright as a smaller dimmer closer one.

    The only way to be sure is to identify the object, gets its true brightness(at a point in time/ or the rate of its loss of brightness) and then from there you can ascertain its distance. Something which is impossible to do with a chinese lantern as it does not burn consistently over any period of time. unlike the stars we use as standard candles. The measure of how far distant stars are uses this technique. And it is a well known practice. you cant judge the distance of a star just by its size or luminosity

    You can not say what it wasnt unless you can know what it was, and you are convinced it wasnt by vast majority the most likely thing it was.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Anyone else see these?
    Any idea what they were?
    I asked if anyone else had SEEN these, which clearly noone else on this discussion has, so its a moot point. I was looking for opinions not a definate identification.
    You asked a question, people answered this question, you dismiss the answers and then deny asking the question. :confused:
    I take it that the general assumption is that any bright orange light in the sky is by default a chinese lantern and no other possibility is worth discussing.
    But you are not discussing anything, only dismissing the possibility of them being lanterns out of hand, with no analysis whatsoever.
    You haven't actually engaged anyone on the subject of difficulties of perception (which is central to this whole thread) or offered any other explanation for what you saw.

    People aren't saying they are lanterns just because they were orange, they are saying it because you perfectly described Chinese lanterns in your OP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Come on guys it is plainly obvious that these were not Chinese Lanterns (ridiculous idea that) These were certainly mega-huge technically advanced craft crewed by Martians from Venus and launched from a secret base in deepest darkest Dublin. ( I know the base is there cos my mate's cousin's sister in the Kremlin has the photos.)

    Please can we have a sticky to put POSSIBLE Chinese Lantern posts in?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Rubecula wrote: »
    Please can we have a sticky to put POSSIBLE Chinese Lantern posts in?
    Won't work, because if people thought they saw a CL they won't post here, others will see the CL thread and think "well what I saw wasn't a CL so no point in putting it in the CL thread" (eg this thread).

    Best to just bear it, be nice and help those that come here looking for help.
    In real life I've been answering the same questions over and over again for years regarding what's up there, no doubt same for lots of people here, I doubt many of them answer with "FFS not this again" and instead love being asked things and being given a chance to discuss the many topics that can come out of such questioning, for example this thread could have become a discussion on the frailties of human perception in judging the altitude and velocity of objects, instead the OP was practically castigated for having the audacity to ask "what did I see in the night sky" in an astronomy forum. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Yes, on second thoughts about it I do agree.

    Actually it is a way to get folks interested I suppose. Maybe we should send up a few ourselves? :pac:

    And of course it allows us to post a bit of humour and gentle leg pulling.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Rubecula wrote: »
    Yes, on second thoughts about it I do agree.

    Actually it is a way to get folks interested I suppose. Maybe we should send up a few ourselves? :pac:

    And of course it allows us to post a bit of humour and gentle leg pulling.
    If we could find some in a variety of shapes or send up bunches tied together in rings it could be interesting. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭eimear10


    you two need to stop bicaring. its making for a very boring read


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭eimear10


    Also can anyone tell me where i can buy a chinese lanturn ?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭slade_x


    eimear10 wrote: »
    Also can anyone tell me where i can buy a chinese lanturn ?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055172423

    Googling buy sky lanterns may be useful

    search results

    First result: http://www.partyworld.ie/department/51/Sky-Lanterns/?gclid=CPPk-9WwrKsCFcQm3godVA506g

    Also best asked in the Gift & Festivity & Party Ideas Section


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    Naked Ompa Lompa shot from a cannon?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭Gator


    Saw it earlier, what is the genreal path of a lantern? that is to say that from what I inderstand you would see it rising, slowley, but still rising, this looked to be very flat and at some point dipping, just curious

    **and may I add quite fast...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Gator wrote: »
    Saw it earlier, what is the genreal path of a lantern? that is to say that from what I inderstand you would see it rising, slowley, but still rising, this looked to be very flat and at some point dipping, just curious

    **and may I add quite fast...

    Think of the thing as a balloon, it will rise and dip in the air and even go fairly level with the wind. It's speed will also depend on the wind, and if you ever see clouds moving at different heights you can see how some movements look a lot faster than they are. Sometimes if an object is travelling roughly towards you it looks like it is rising when it may not be, it could even be dipping. (Obviously the opposite is also true) Sudden changes in direction can also be really slight but look more sever depending on the angle you are looking at it from. Dark skies can exagerate the effect greatly too as you don't have as many reference points to see. (Not that they always help anyway, and in some cases can make the effect look worse.)

    I work on an airfield and you would not believe some of the visual effects you can get in a big open sky.

    Hope this helps a bit, just look at things with these ideas in mind and you soon get used to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    ZOMG!! Seen about 100 orange lights tonight,we're being invaded!!!!

















    I welcome our new Chinese Lantern overlords:pac:


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