Irish records listed from Strongest to Weakest

Pisco Sour

Did up a list using the IAAF Scoring Tables of all the Irish records, listed from strongest to weakest. Ive seperated the men's records from the women's. The number of IAAF points for each record is in bold.

Men

1) 3000m 7:30.36 Mark Carroll 15.01.72 Monaco 04.08.99 1237
2) 20k Walk Rd. 1.19.22 Robert Heffernan 28.02.78 Cheboksary 10.05.08 1210
3) Mile 3:49.77 Ray Flynn 22.01.57 Oslo 07.07.82 1204
4) 10,000m Walk. 38.27.57 Robert Heffernan 28.02.78 Morton Stadium 21.07.08 1202
5) Discus 67.89 Nick Sweeney 26.03.68 Helsingborg 04.09.98 1200
6) 5000m 13:03.93 Mark Carroll 15.01.72 Berlin 01.09.98 1195
6) 1500m 3:33.5 Ray Flynn 22.01.57 Oslo 07.07.82 1195
6) 110m Hdl 13.30 +0.6 Peter Coghlan 27.03.75 Hechtel 07.08.99 1195
9) 400m 44.77 David Gillick 09.07.83 Madrid 04.07.09 1193
10) 50k Walk 3:45:30 Robert Heffernan 28.02.78 Barcelona 30.07.10 1190
11) 2000m 4:55.06 Marcus O’Sullivan 22.12.61 Nice 10.07.96 1183
12) 800m 1:44.82 David Matthews 09.04.74 Rieti, Italy 05.09.95 1177
13) Marathon BP 2.09.15 John Treacy 04.06.57 Boston 18.04.88 1175
14) 200m 20.30 +0.1 Paul Hession 27.01.83 Dublin 21.07.07 1173
15) High Jump 2.30 Adrian O’Dwyer 83 Algiers 24.06.04 1166
16) 10,000m 27:39.55 Alistair Cragg 13.06.80 Stanford 29.04.07 1164
16) 30k Walk Rd. 2.07.48 Robert Heffernan 28.02.78 Cork 30.01.11 1164
18) 3000m Walk 11.12.02 Jamie Costin 28.02.78 Cork 03.07.10 1162
19) 5000m Walk 18:59.37 Robert Heffernan 28.02.78 Barcelona 30.06.07 1154
20) Hammer 77.80 Declan Hegarty 12.10.60 Walnut US 28.04.85 1150
21) 3000m S/c 8.24.09 Brendan Quinn 26.07.60 Brussels 30.08.85 1148
22) 100m 10.18 +1.9 Paul Hession 27.01.83 Vaala 23.06.07 1145
23) Long Jump 8.07 +1.4 Ciaran Mc Donagh 20.05.76 La Chaux-de-Fonds 21.08.05 1141
24) 400m Hdl 49.73 Tom Mc Guirk 03.02.71 San Jose 01.06.96 1138
25) 4×100m 39.26 National Team Sydney 29.09.00 (John McAdorey, Gary Ryan, Tom Comyns, Paul Brizzel) 1135
26) 1000m 2:17.58 David Matthews 09.04.74 Sarajevo 09.09.96 1126
27) Javelin 82.75 Terry Mc Hugh 22.08.63 London 05.08.00 1125
28) 4×400m 3:03.73 National Team Munich 10.08.02 ( Robert Daly, Paul McKee, Antoine Burke, David McCarthy) 1124
29) Shot 20.04 Paul Quirke 05.06.63 New York 07.07.92 1123
30) 300m 32.47 Paul Hession 27.01.83 Ostrava 12.06.08 1121
31) Decathlon 7882 Carlos O’Connell 21.06.63 Emmitsburg 4/5.06.88 1092
32) Triple Jump 15.89 Colm Cronin 14.06.57 Copenhagen 26.06.77 1035
33) Pole Vault 5.02 Brian McGovern 12.09.90 Tempe AZ 18.03.11 982


Women

1) - 3000m 8:21.64 Sonia O’Sullivan 28.11.69 London 15.07.94 1238
2) - 5000m Wk 20.02.60 Gillian O’Sullivan 21.08.76 Morton Std. 13.07.02 1221
3) - 2000m 5:25 36 Sonia O’Sullivan 28.11.69 Edinburgh 08.07.94 1220
4) - 1500m 3:58.85 Sonia O’Sullivan 28.11.69 Monte Carlo 25.07.95 1215
5) - Mile 4:17.26 Sonia O’Sullivan 28.11.69 Oslo 23.07.94 1213
6) - Marathon 2.22.23 Catherina McKiernan 30.11.69 Amsterdam 01.11.98 1209
7) - 10000m 30:47.59 Sonia O’Sullivan 28.11.69 Munich 06.08.02 1204
8) - 5000m 14:41.02 Sonia O’Sullivan 28.11.69 Sydney 25.09.00 1200
9) - 100m H 12.65 -0.5 Derval O’Rourke 28.05.81 Barcelona 31.07.10 1197
10) - 400m H 54.31 Susan Smith 14.09.71 Zurich 12.08.98 1194
10) - 20K Walk 1.27.22 Gillian O’Sullivan 21.08.76 Milan 01.05.03 1194
12) - 400m 50.73 Joanne Cuddihy 11.05.84 Osaka 27.08.07 1176
13) - 1000m 2:34.66 Sonia O’Sullivan 28.11.69 Lille 03.07.93 1174
14) - 3000m SC 9:28.29 Roisin McGettigan 23.08.80 Heusden 28.07.07 1173
15) - 10k W Road 43.22 Olive Loughnane 14.01.76 Saransk 19.09.09 1169
16) - 4×400m 3.27.48 National Team Daegu 02.09.11 (Marian Andrews-Heffernan, Joanne Cuddihy, Claire Bergin, Michelle Carey) 1160
17) - 3000m Wk 12.18.86 Kate Veale 05.01.84 Tullamore 23.07.11 1153
18) - High Jump 1.95 Deirdre Ryan 01.06.82 Daegu 01.09.11 1151
19) - 4×100m 43.93 National Team Barcelona 31.07.10 (Amy Foster, Niamh Whelan, Claire Brady, Ailis McSweeney) 1148
20) - Hammer 73.21 Eileen O’Keeffe 31.05.81 Dublin 21.07.07 1145
21) - 800m 2:00.69 Sonia O’Sullivan 28.11.69 St. P.’burg 28.07.94 1141
22) - 200m 23.02 +0.3 Sarah Reilly 03.07.73 Edmonton 08.08.01 1140
23) - 300m 37.07 Karen Shinkins 15.10.76 Brasschaat 15.08.01 1122
24) - 100m 11.40 +0.8 Ailis McSweeney 04.10.83 Liege 13.07.10 1121
25) - Long Jump 6.60 +1.0 Kelly Proper 01.05.88 Bruxelles 08.08.10 1117
26) - Pole Vault 4.40 Tori Pena 30.07.87 Stabhochsprung 01.08.11 1067
27) - Triple Jump 13.62 +0.9 Taneisha Scanlon 77 Bratislava, SVK 29.05.05 1057
28) - Discus 57.60 Patricia Walsh 16.03.60 Morton Std Dublin 07.07.84 1027
29) - Shot Putt 16.99 Marita Walton 07.10.60 Stanford US 02.04.83 992
30) - Heptathlon 5394 Sharon Foley 20.05.72 Hemel Hempstead 23-24/8.97 980
31) - Javelin 50.10 Jennifer O’Sullivan 00.00.81 Navan 18.07.04 878

thirstywork2

Just goes to show what an underrated athelte Mark Carroll was,most people on this forum would say ''Mark who''

Slightly off the topic but a where are they now would be intersting !!!

Mark Carroll coaches in the USA
http://auburntigers.cstv.com/sports/c-xc/mtt/carroll_mark00.html

David Matthews does persoanl training(recent aticle in the Irish Runner)
http://www.davidmatthews.ie/personaltraining/

Ray Flynn an agent to top athletes such as Alan Webb

http://www.flotrack.org/speaker/117-Ray-Flynn

Adrian O Dwyer: lost interest in the sport after a foot injury,any article he was quoted in he would say how funding was a joke and facilities.He was going to declare for Gemany at one point.

Roisin McGettigan just had a baby but hopefully back next summer.

I think both our relay teams can make big progress over the coming years if given the chance.

While I respect the walk and I think Robert Heffernans results and times are amazing but should the mens 3k walk be that high on the list? and womens 5k(considering it is not a distance at olympics or worlds)

notsofast

Two things stand out from this
1) just how good Sonia was
2) 04072511 has WAY too much time on his hands

RoyMcC

There's a surprise - the field events are almost an afterthought in Ireland. Dear Lord, has no woman thrown a javelin beyond 50 metres in all these years?

PS - I think men's JT is missing. At least Terry's record is respectable.

ecoli

RoyMcC wrote: »

There's a surprise - the field events are almost an afterthought in Ireland. Dear Lord, has no woman thrown a javelin beyond 50 metres in all these years?

PS - I think men's JT is missing. At least Terry's record is respectable.

What I am so shocked about is how good the dicuss ranks in terms of the overal scheme of things

donothoponpop

04072511 wrote: »

31) Triple Jump 15.89 Colm Cronin 14.06.57 Copenhagen 26.06.77 1035

Almost 35 years old, this record!:eek: I remember measuring out this distance as a teenager when I used to compete in jumping. The run-up in Belfield never had any spring in its surface, and the landing was an inviting mix of builders sand/moss/dogcrap...

Christ compels you

I think Ciaran O Lionaird and David McCarthy will bring down the distance records alot in the next few years except maybe the 3000m, that was an incredible time ran by Carroll.

ecoli

Christ compels you wrote: »

I think Ciaran O Lionaird and David McCarthy will bring down the distance records alot in the next few years except maybe the 3000m, that was an incredible time ran by Carroll.

What about the 5k that gonna be tough as well even Cragg couldnt get near that and McCarthy will have alot to prove this season hope he can have a good one

thirtyfoot

Nick Sweeney was massively underated in Irish Athletics circles, never nailed it at a majors though, had he and on a good day he would have medalled.

shels4ever

Christ compels you wrote: »

I think Ciaran O Lionaird and David McCarthy will bring down the distance records alot in the next few years except maybe the 3000m, that was an incredible time ran by Carroll.

and the 5000m

Christ compels you

McCarthy has a lot to prove? To who? McCarthy doesn't have to prove himself to anyone. But yeah he's had a sporadic last two years since leaving Providence and then going back but look at O Lionaird this year, who would have predicted 3:34? No, I think the two are Ireland's biggest prospects for Rio.

ecoli

Christ compels you wrote: »

McCarthy has a lot to prove? To who? McCarthy doesn't have to prove himself to anyone. But yeah he's had a sporadic last two years since leaving Providence and then going back but look at O Lionaird this year, who would have predicted 3:34? No, I think the two are Ireland's biggest prospects for Rio.

To himself given he grew up racing O Lionaird and being of fairly similar levels of talent and seeing such a major breakthrough this year. McCarthy has been the almost Irish distance "golden boy" for last few years so O Lionairds breakthrough will obviously be something to motivate him.

Having said that biggest prospects might be a bit of a stretch. I am a huge fan of both of the lads dont get me wrong but we are talking about some of the stronger events at the moment in the 1500-10k they would have a tough time. I would say Veale and Mageean are very good prospects as well as English and even Colvert who i reckon will tackle Hessions 200m record in the next two years (not enough to medal but still a chance to do well (Semi's possibly). We have a very solid group of younger athletes coming through who if can live up to potential can perform very well amongst some of the top athletes in the World

SeanKenny

Christ compels you wrote: »

McCarthy has a lot to prove? To who? McCarthy doesn't have to prove himself to anyone. But yeah he's had a sporadic last two years since leaving Providence and then going back but look at O Lionaird this year, who would have predicted 3:34? No, I think the two are Ireland's biggest prospects for Rio.

McCarthy is a tremendous talant. 13.42 for 5k two years ago and hasn't just sparkled since. There is a lot of improvement to be realised so I'd expect big PB's from him in the next 12 months. He has potentially a fantastic range - he won the intermediate schools cross country and 400m titles in the same year, quite a double!!

He and Len can lead the charge of Irish middle distance guys along with Mark English. It was good to see him win his first race of the season for Providence - albeit a low key one.

Dan man

Mark Carroll's 3,000m time was a sensational performance. Only bettered by two European runners, Mohammed Mourhit (Belgium), who was in fact Moroccan, not European, and Isaac Viciosa of Spain. Carroll was a class athlete back in the day.

formerrunner25

I think McCarthey is a huge prospect..After Lens breakthrough I reckon this will be a big year for him..13.20 5000m qualification is def within his range..Mad Len has the potential to break the 1500m record provided he stays injury free...outside chance of a medal in London perhaps?

notsofast

Mark Carroll's 3000 m time is 32 on the AAI all time list. Sonia's 3000m time is 6th.

unitedrover

notsofast wrote: »

Two things stand out from this
1) just how good Sonia was
2) 04072511 has WAY too much time on his hands

Sonia sure has a lot of records:D

Pisco Sour

RoyMcC wrote: »

PS - I think men's JT is missing. At least Terry's record is respectable.

Fixed that now. His record only ranks 25th of 33 records which is a bit surprising.

Some of those women's records towards the rear of the list are absolutely brutal. To illustrate how weak that women's javelin record is, it equates to 17:37 for 5000m amd 12.79 for 100m!

Dan man

04072511 wrote: »

Fixed that now. His record only ranks 25th of 33 records which is a bit surprising.

Some of those women's records towards the rear of the list are absolutely brutal. To illustrate how weak that women's javelin record is, it equates to 17:37 for 5000m amd 12.79 for 100m!

I know, there must be some woman in Ireland out there somewhere, who given a little tutelage can throw the javelin over 50m. It's an astonishing stat. The heptathlon record is also very weak, although I think some of the juniors coming through will re-write this record in the coming years.

Pisco Sour

notsofast wrote: »

2) 04072511 has WAY too much time on his hands

Haha, that's what being stuck working on a farm in Australia will do to ya!

A few things from this list:

1) Susan Smith's record is almost the same in quality as Derval's record. The only difference is Derval has done it in championships to a higher level than Susan, which is why Derval won't be forgotten to the Irish public after she retires, while I doubt very many people on the street would know who Susan Smith is. She was a class athlete though. 11th in Atlanta, 7th at the 1997 Worlds, 11th (I think) at the 1999 Worlds. The one that got away was the 1998 Europeans. She won her semi final and really should have medalled, but was drained after the semi and finished 8th in the final.

2) Sonia's 3000m is off the charts! That 8:21.64 equates to the following:

100m - 10.79
100m H - 12.33 (Gail Devers' PB)
200m - 21.91
400m - 49.03
400m H - 52.95
800m - 1:55.32
1500m - 3:56.04
3000m S - 9:02.65
5000m - 14:22.18
10000m - 30:10.89
Marathon - 2:19:35

Looking at those comparisons really helps hit home just how good that 3000m record is.

Pherekydes

It might be worth pointing out that the Men's Pole Vault, Triple Jump and Women's Shot have superior indoor marks.

Pisco Sour

unitedrover wrote: »

Sonia sure has a lot of records:D

Her 800m record won't last much longer and I think the 1500m records (and Mile if attempted) could drop over the coming decade also, given the fact Ciara is showing so much potential over the distance.

Her 3000m record will probably never be broken. Excluding the Chinese who came and went quicker than Superman, only Gabriella Szabo has ever gone quicker than Sonia, and just barely, by 0.2 of a second!

It's a shame her 5000m record isn't stronger. She mentions in her book that in 1995 she was in the shape to go 14:30 if she was pushed, but she never needed to run that fast, and cruised to the World title in 14:46. Championships are obviously far more important, but I don't think her 5000m record shows what her ability over the distance was. Her 8:21 for 3000m indicates she could have gone 14:30, maybe even faster for 5000m.

EDIT: Just on the topic of exciting prospects. Nobody has mentioned the Barr siblings. Both great talents over 400m Hurdles.

thirtyfoot

Susan Smith would have had a decent profile when she was competing and would have been known among the sporting public. Since she never medalled, she will never be remembered though like Derval or even Gillick. Although, even now I would say that people who are into sport will know and remember Susan Smith, I'd be confident of that.

On the throws, not the fault of the athletes or coaches in those events. More the apathy of people within the sport at all levels - from fans up to powers at the top. It's an indictment on our talent identification process and lack of one.

RoyMcC

thirtyfoot wrote: »

On the throws, not the fault of the athletes or coaches in those events. More the apathy of people within the sport at all levels - from fans up to powers at the top. It's an indictment on our talent identification process and lack of one.

But also the lack of young people coming into the sport; to the extent that they do it is to train in the running events.

John Hillier, coach of new Brit discus record holder Lawrence Okoye recently said that 'there are dozens of Lawrence Okoyes walking around London capable of being trained to throw 67m, they're just not interested'.

Sticking with women's javelin as an example we have at least three excellent coaches in Dublin in Dan, Bart and Dave. To paraphrase John, there must be many young women in the schools who can hurl a cricket ball (sorry, a sliothar ) miles. So how do we link up thrower and coach?

dna_leri

04072511 wrote: »

24) 400m Hdl 49.73 Tom Mc Guirk 03.02.71 San Jose 01.06.96 1138

This one surprised me - must be due a good rattling in the near future with all the talent coming though in this event.

Pisco Sour

thirtyfoot wrote: »

Susan Smith would have had a decent profile when she was competing and would have been known among the sporting public. Since she never medalled, she will never be remembered though like Derval or even Gillick. Although, even now I would say that people who are into sport will know and remember Susan Smith, I'd be confident of that.

Yeh, people who have a strong general interest in sport (rather than just an interest in a few sports) would probably remember Susan Smith. But the average person on the street sadly wouldn't have a clue who she is, whereas the name Derval O'Rourke would be known to most people. It really goes to show the difference that medals make. Derval and Susan were probably of similar standard in their events. Just Derval ran her best times when it mattered most.

Susan has done a lot for Irish sprinting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she was the first Irish sprinter to reach a global outdoor final since Bob Tisdall in 1932, and that has been the catapult to the subsequent Irish sprinting successes.

Pisco Sour

dna_leri wrote: »

This one surprised me - must be due a good rattling in the near future with all the talent coming though in this event.

Yep, that record will be lucky to survive 2012.

longjump67

04072511 wrote: »

Her 800m record won't last much longer and I think the 1500m records (and Mile if attempted) could drop over the coming decade also, given the fact Ciara is showing so much potential over the distance.

Just on that note Ciara is competing in Tanigers this weekend against the world champ and 3 girls ranked in the top 6 in the world.
Fancy a Olympic A standard attempt at the 1,500:D

thirtyfoot

04072511 wrote: »

Yeh, people who have a strong general interest in sport (rather than just an interest in a few sports) would probably remember Susan Smith.

But I think you rarely get the notice of the casual sports fan in any sport outisde the main sports unless the athlete is a medalist. Niall O' Toole, how many casual fans know him but your general sportsfan would definetly know him. If you read the papers you will have a good knowledge of all sports. Did anyone know the world rowing champs were on recently or that we had two cyclists at the business end of the Vuelta? Anyone who reads the sports pages will know.

If people are into sport they will understand things and have the context. An example is Deirdre Ryan. Her performance was reported so differently on Newstalk and RTE despite both getting the same release. Newstalk had her result as a footnote after the Derval DNS and Mad Len. It was 'only' 6th. Meanwhile, RTE led with her story, giving context around the A standard, the Irish Record and then had an interview. It was very comprehensive and showed they understand the sport, probably because they have the best athletics journalist in the country in their ranks in Greg Allen. So, your general sportsfan listening to RTE or reading Cliona Foley or Ian O' R or Brendan Mooney will have a good understanding of the sport. Your Ford Super Sunday punter never will unless they win an Olympic medal. Probably the same as any country that is saturated by sport and has an indigineous sport.

Pisco Sour

thirtyfoot wrote: »

Your Ford Super Sunday punter

Phenomenal description.

I know plenty of them.

Pherekydes

thirtyfoot wrote: »

Newstalk had her result as a footnote after the Derval DNS and Mad Len.

Newstalk are a bunch of trolls, constantly playing the LCD card.

I know it's been referenced in other threads here, but after U.Bolt won the Olympic 100m, they spouted the line that he had appeared from nowhere, and only wanted to talk about drugs with Ian O'Riordan, and more recently, Gerry Kiernan.

shels4ever

04072511 wrote: »

Phenomenal description.

I know plenty of them.

Nothing wrong with be one of them either

Seres

Sonia had all the female distance records (exclude walking obviously ) except for the marathon !

Pisco Sour

A year on, it's time to dig this thread up from the grave.

For those who are interested, here is the updated ranking list of all men's outdoor senior Irish records:

http://www.therunningreview.com/?p=781

Women's list to follow at a later date.

BobMac104

Holy crap never knew Mark carol ran a 7 30 for 3000m

emerald007

has anybody found an online or spreadsheet version of IAAF Scoring Tables?

rom

emerald007 wrote: »

has anybody found an online or spreadsheet version of IAAF Scoring Tables?

http://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/Competitions/TechnicalArea/04/33/41/20110124082825_httppostedfile_IAAF_Scoring_Tables_of_Athletics_2011_23299.pdf
Pitty there is no online calculator though

hot to trot

Whatever happened to Eilenn O Keefe? Wasnt she the nurse who self taught initially from a video, on hammer throwing ?

BobMac104

Just had a look at Mark Carolls PBs. What an animal.

1500 metres - 3:34.91 min (2000)
One mile - 3:50.62 min (2000)
3000 metres - 7:30.36 min (1999) Irish Record
5000 metres - 13:03.93 min (1998)
10,000 metres - 27:46.82 min (2000)
Marathon - 2:10:54 hrs (2002)

Murta

Christ compels you wrote: »

I think Ciaran O Lionaird and David McCarthy will bring down the distance records alot in the next few years except maybe the 3000m, that was an incredible time ran by Carroll.

Is O'Lionaird sticking with athletics? I kinda recall hime saying after his shoody preformance in London that he was gonna quit and try something else.

BobMac104

yes he is sticking with athletics.

Pherekydes

Eamonn Coghlan's indoor mile record is worth 1265 pts.

rom

BobMac104 wrote: »

Just had a look at Mark Carolls PBs. What an animal.

1500 metres - 3:34.91 min (2000)
One mile - 3:50.62 min (2000)
3000 metres - 7:30.36 min (1999) Irish Record
5000 metres - 13:03.93 min (1998)
10,000 metres - 27:46.82 min (2000)
Marathon - 2:10:54 hrs (2002)

http://www.leevale.org/1998/ivo-van-damme-memorial-meet-brussels/
In a race where Haile Gebrselassie ran his lifetime PB. Now there has to be a video of that somewhere ?

a_non_a_mouse

hot to trot wrote: »

Whatever happened to Eilenn O Keefe? Wasnt she the nurse who self taught initially from a video, on hammer throwing ?

Packed it all in about 2 years ago now.
Some serious injuries (knee i think) shortened her career in an event where age doesn't matter as much as others...pity.

Pisco Sour

Pherekydes wrote: »

Eamonn Coghlan's indoor mile record is worth 1265 pts.

Yeh fair point. Was just looking at outdoor records.

Astonishing that Coghlan ran faster on an 11 (or was it 13?) laps to the mile track than he did outdoors. I know he was an indoor legend but to go 2 seconds faster than his outdoor PB on a track with such tight bends is staggering IMO. Still 2nd fastest of all time for the indoor mile, and European record holder.

woodchopper

Some of the results from these tables are complete nonsense. For example John Treacy's marathon time is way down the list despite the fact that he won an Olympic medal. External factors such as heat, tactics etc can play a significant role in how fast a marathon can be run. Treacy should be at the top of the mens list along with Mark Carroll. 2.09 in the LA heat is more impressive than a 1.44 in a grand prix meet in reiti. This is not to disrepect Dave as he is one of Ireland's finest middle distance athletes.

Bruce7

woodchopper wrote: »

Some of the results from these tables are complete nonsense. For example John Treacy's marathon time is way down the list despite the fact that he won an Olympic medal. External factors such as heat, tactics etc can play a significant role in how fast a marathon can be run. Treacy should be at the top of the mens list along with Mark Carroll. 2.09 in the LA heat is more impressive than a 1.44 in a grand prix meet in reiti. This is not to disrepect Dave as he is one of Ireland's finest middle distance athletes.

The IAAF tables allow comparison to current international standards. It's not a list of Ireland's greatest performances for their time.

Treacy being down the table shows that marathon running internationally has moved on since he ran this time, and Irish marathon running has not kept pace.

This is stating the obvious really, as the record has stood for 24 years.

Pisco Sour

woodchopper wrote: »

Some of the results from these tables are complete nonsense. For example John Treacy's marathon time is way down the list despite the fact that he won an Olympic medal. External factors such as heat, tactics etc can play a significant role in how fast a marathon can be run. Treacy should be at the top of the mens list along with Mark Carroll. 2.09 in the LA heat is more impressive than a 1.44 in a grand prix meet in reiti. This is not to disrepect Dave as he is one of Ireland's finest middle distance athletes.

Quite funny that you hype up Treacy despite him facing no East Africans, while at the same time degrade the achievements of Zatopek etc because they faced no East Africans.

Contradiction.

woodchopper

Pisco Sour wrote: »

Quite funny that you hype up Treacy despite him facing no East Africans, while at the same time degrade the achievements of Zatopek etc because they faced no East Africans.

Contradiction.

Were in my post did I mention Zatopek?

Confused!

Pisco Sour

woodchopper wrote: »

Were in my post did I mention Zatopek?

Confused!

On numerous other threads.

MichiganIrish

Pisco Sour wrote: »

Quite funny that you hype up Treacy despite him facing no East Africans, while at the same time degrade the achievements of Zatopek etc because they faced no East Africans.

Contradiction.

In fairness to Treacy he did actually face the top East Africans of the time with Juma Ikangaa of tanzania in 6th and Joseph Nzau of Kenya finishing 7th ...the ethiopians boycotted but were not a factor in the marathon that year.