Did greed kill our country?

Richard Dower · 11-09-2011 5:29pm #1

Celtic Tiger eh?...i've been saying for YEARS the property bubble would burst, and so it did. As to blame, lots to go around but to single out the greedy developers, banks and sleazy politicians is madness!

The bottom line we are ALL to blame, in fact the real killer was a modern Western democracy that puts all it's focus consumption and profit, but we're all gonna suffer for it now...someone has to pay and history dictates the weakest and most vunerable suffer the most.

stovelid · 11-09-2011 5:32pm

A startling insight.

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 11-09-2011 5:32pm

i think you mean debt,during the good times we where quiet happy to get credit from banks,reward ourselves with pay increases,now the party has stopped,no-one wants to pay the bill and that includes those who owe the money!.

11-09-2011 5:33pm

Who cares.

I just found out that video killed the radio star

Son Of A Vidic · 11-09-2011 5:34pm

Fúck blame, what's your solution OP?

phasers · 11-09-2011 5:34pm

I think we've found the winner of the world's slowest broadband contest.

catbear · 11-09-2011 5:36pm

Back the flock up! What's all this WE business?

I didn't indulge in debt durning the the property bubble yet my taxes are now servicing the socialised debt.

Please, less of the WE business. Credit where credit is due and debt to those who borrowed.

biko · 11-09-2011 5:36pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

Celtic Tiger eh?...i've been saying for YEARS the property bubble would burst

I don't have the energy now to go though all your old posts.
Can you point them out instead?

shannon_tek · 11-09-2011 5:38pm

Indoublidly

Richard Dower · 11-09-2011 5:39pm

biko wrote: »

I don't have the energy now to go though all your old posts.
Can you point them out instead?

For years off the internet...you know, to live human beings. Not everything happens on Boards.

Diairist · 11-09-2011 5:39pm

wind it back a little more - the electorate didn't help either!

for those that looked into the future and saw a property bubble bursting, what do you see now for 2012 and 2014?

phasers · 11-09-2011 5:40pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

For years off the internet...you know, to live human beings. Not everything happens on Boards.

Considering the property bubble burst several years ago, I don't think it's anything to be proud of...

BASHIR · 11-09-2011 5:41pm

Our obsession with keeping up with the Joneses is what led to all the borrowing I think. I worked in a car wash part time during the "boom" and the queue would be out the door most days, everybody had a fairly new car and was eager to pay nearly a tenner to get their car washed and most were always generous with tips. There is no hope anyone would pay a tenner now for a car wash. Oh and that place has since closed down.

Richard Dower · 11-09-2011 5:42pm

Diairist wrote: »

wind it back a little more - the electorate didn't help either!

for those that looked into the future and saw a property bubble bursting, what do you see now for 2012 and 2014?

I see a bleak future, i see further financial instability, more cuts and generally gloomy outlook. Best advice....start saving.

baaaa · 11-09-2011 5:42pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

As to blame, lots to go around but to single out the greedy developers, banks and sleazy politicians is madness!

It's absolute lunacy blaming the banks and sleazy politicians,wait what.
Really?

Richard Dower · 11-09-2011 5:42pm

phasers wrote: »

Considering the property bubble burst several years ago, I don't think it's anything to be proud of...

2008 is years ago?....i was saying it since the early 00's.

mikom · 11-09-2011 5:43pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

The bottom line we are ALL to blame

Bollox.

Richard Dower · 11-09-2011 5:44pm

baaaa wrote: »

It's absolute lunacy blaming the banks and sleazy politicians,wait what.
Really?

I said the default is to blame the government/banks....but the fault lies with you, me and everyone else who consumed.

Richard Dower · 11-09-2011 5:46pm

mikom wrote: »

Bollox.

Why?...how about all the greedy householders who bought a house to sell it, rinse and repeat, thinking they'll get more profit turnover if they do it a few times, the bubble burst and they were caught with huge debts.

baaaa · 11-09-2011 5:46pm

Saying that we are all to blame is a bit like saying that the employee's at talk talk in waterford were to blame for it's closure,it's so stupid that stupid stupid.

wyndham · 11-09-2011 5:46pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

I see a bleak future, i see further financial instability, more cuts and generally gloomy outlook. Best advice....start savingpacking.

FYP

mikom · 11-09-2011 5:49pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

all the greedy householders who bought a house to sell it, rinse and repeat,

Did I?
Did my brothers?
Did my sister?

Richard Dower · 11-09-2011 5:50pm

mikom wrote: »

Did I?
Did my brothers?
Did my sister?

If you really "live in the real world" you'd know.

-Trek- · 11-09-2011 5:50pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

2008 is years ago?....i was saying it since the early 00's.

Congratulations, unfortunately there is no prize to give you as it had to be sold in order to cover some of the debt.

Wolflikeme · 11-09-2011 5:51pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

If you really "live in the real world" you'd know.

Please, enlighten us with your 'real world' explanation...

mikom · 11-09-2011 5:52pm

Saying we were all to blame makes you an apologist for poor government in my eyes.

Mr. Boo · 11-09-2011 5:54pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

Why?...how about all the greedy householders who bought a house to sell it, rinse and repeat, thinking they'll get more profit turnover if they do it a few times, the bubble burst and they were caught with huge debts.

That particular cohort does not include all of us.

baaaa · 11-09-2011 5:54pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

If you really "live in the real world" you'd know.

Why did you use quotes for live in the real world?
If you don't know how to use quotes correctly it's highly unlikely that you have any useful insights.

Capt'n Midnight · 11-09-2011 5:56pm

A culture of tax amnesties.
No one ever held accountable, and no one ever really punished beyond havi
ng to hand the sums of money proven to be illegally gained.

journalists trying to protect whistleblowers doing more time in prison than the guilty

politicians explaining about a payment of thirty grand and explaining the wrong thirty grand ( you could have bought a house for that)

and that was during the bad times....

Imagine how much better our country would have been had previous generations prosecuted their crooks make an example of them. I'll say it again about those developers and financiers and regulators and politicans. Every million diverted from certain areas of road safety or health translates into a preventable death.

mikom · 11-09-2011 5:56pm

baaaa wrote: »

Why did you use quotes for live in the real world?
If you don't know how to use quotes correctly it's highly unlikely that you have any useful insights.

Reference to my location, I reckon.

cassi · 11-09-2011 5:57pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

2008 is years ago?....i was saying it since the early 00's.

:eek: :eek: You knew all this time and didn't say anything!!! You sir are the reason for the downturn.:D:mad:

Richard Dower · 11-09-2011 5:58pm

mikom wrote: »

Saying we were all to blame makes you an apologist for poor government in my eyes.

Not at all, i loathe the governement, i show my distain by not voting for any of the feckers. But all the rage directed at them while warranted must also be balanced with looking inward.

Minstrel27 · 11-09-2011 5:58pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

we are ALL to blame

We are? I always knew not splashing out on things would catch up with me eventually.

Richard Dower · 11-09-2011 5:59pm

cassi wrote: »

:eek: :eek: You knew all this time and didn't say anything!!! You sir are the reason for the downturn.:D:mad:

I was too busying playing the stock market and making a killing!

eamon234 · 11-09-2011 6:02pm

I blame people fannying about on internet forums all day.

cassi · 11-09-2011 6:04pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

I was too busying playing the stock market and making a killing!

Ahh..... Lehman Brothers, Fannie Mae and the like!!??

Liam Byrne · 11-09-2011 6:06pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

mikom wrote: »

Bollox.

Why?...how about all the greedy householders who bought a house to sell it, rinse and repeat, thinking they'll get more profit turnover if they do it a few times, the bubble burst and they were caught with huge debts.

Massive leap from the above fact to include everyone who doesn't fall into that category.

If you hadn't falsely claimed "we all" in the first post you might have had a point, but you lost it by lying/stretching the blame.

The Internet Explorer · 11-09-2011 6:12pm

You know what OP ? You're right. You're absolutely right.

I'd like to apologise to you. I'd also like to extend that apology to the rest of the country.

I know one could just as easily blame the bankers, developers, certain political parties and so on, but I agree with your sentiment entirely. I am to blame.

I'm only human, and I f*cked up on a truly massive scale. And for that, I apologise.

I'm sorry.

I'm really, really sorry.

Temptamperu · 11-09-2011 6:13pm

You better be sorry IE. :mad:

mikom · 11-09-2011 6:14pm

The Internet Explorer wrote: »

You know what OP ? You're right. You're absolutely right.

I'd like to apologise to you. I'd also like to extend that apology to the rest of the country.

I know one could just as easily blame the bankers, developers, certain political parties and so on, but I agree with your sentiment entirely. I am to blame.

I'm only human, and I f*cked up on a truly massive scale. And for that, I apologise.

I'm sorry.

I'm really, really sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk

catbear · 11-09-2011 6:18pm

The only people who would push the "we all went mad" are those who went mad and now want everyone else to pony up.

I believe in forgiveness but only if the repenter knows that they have sinned. I ain't helping delusional people.

Did greed kill our country?

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