freed after 30 years in cages

barone

After 30 Years in Testing Lab, Freed Chimps Hug, Laug

From the looks on their faces, it seems like they've just been reunited with a long-lost friend. As it turns out, they were: the outside world filled with daylight to greet them.

A group of chimpanzees who have been locked in cages for medical testing, and have been injected with HIV and hepatitis, were released into the daylight for the first time in 30 years, The Daily Mail reported.

For 14 years, there has been an ongoing battle to release the apes from captivity after being taken from their mothers shortly after their births and brought to a research facility in Austria. Though testing on the apes ended in 1997, after the pharmaceutical company behind the research was sold and the apes sent to a fair, reintroducing them into the outside world turned out to be a difficult task.

To readjust the apes to the great outdoors, it took their keeps more than a decade -- implementing careful techniques that slowly made them comfortable beyond their four walls.

The footage, initially broadcast by RTL, a German television station on Sept. 4, shows two adult chimps staring in wonder at the grassy plains that lie before them. After a brief look-around, the first chimp turns around and hugs an ape behind him. And then they both glee out at their newfound freedom.

"The chimps are incredibly happy," said keeper Renate Foidl. "This is amazing. I have been waiting for this moment so long."

The lab chimps are now at the Gut Aiderbichl Animal Sanctuary, near Salzburg, Austria.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/209874/20110907/lab-chimps-chimpanzees-apes-hiv-hepatitis-austria.htm

ive read today aswell that of the thousands of chimps who were injected with hiv, no a single one went on to develop full blown aids

The Internet Explorer

I think this is disgraceful. I didn't read the OP but I'm guessing it's about some thug who is being released from prison. This kind of stuff makes me sick. No wonder the country is in such a mess.

ItsAWindUp

30 years?:eek::(

TheZohanS

I've seen this movie...doesn't end well atall atall...

Cill Dara Abu

The Internet Explorer wrote: »

I think this is disgraceful. I didn't read the OP but I'm guessing it's about some thug who is being released from prison. This kind of stuff makes me sick. No wonder the country is in such a mess.

He'll probably get the dole aswell, disgraceful!

Jess16

Those poor creatures, this stuff breaks my heart :(

roguey

haha love the moment at 1:06 when the chimp leaves the other one hanging when he went for a hug

MugMugs

So rabid HIV infected apes are now free to roam? Eh, great!

El Weirdo

Who did they murder?

Captain Darling

It looks a bit like me getting out of bed in the morning and leaving the house. Same music and everything.

Einhard

barone wrote: »

ive read today aswell that of the thousands of chimps who were injected with hiv, no a single one went on to develop full blown aids

So there was a valid and rational reason for testing on them then?

jive

Probably because HIV is 'meant' for humans. Give them phuckers SIV and see how smart they are. Also that music makes it sound/look so magical but it looks like what monkeys are usually at when I see them in the zoo anyway. Jerks.

Orando Broom

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

He'll probably get the dole aswell, disgraceful!

Chimps are getting the dole???? Ah for fūcks sake!! That is outrageous!

CorsetIsTight

jive wrote: »

... that music makes it sound/look so magical ...

That's interesting because I did what I usually do when sent one of those "oh my God, wait until you see this" videos...I watched it with the sound off.

I like to form an opinion of my own first without being told, either by voice-over or background music, what I should be thinking.

Also, I know that I'm a total sap when it comes to emotional music

latenia

barone wrote: »

the outside world ...

locked in cages ...

were released into the daylight for the first time in 30 years, ...

captivity ...

taken from their mothers ...

in Austria. ..

newfound freedom...

We appear to be stuck in some kind of time loop just like that episode of Star Trek.

Broads.ie

LOL... they pixelled out the chimps boner.

steddyeddy

Testing on the great apes should be banned, many companies have already stopped testing on apes. They should never have been in a lab in the first place.

histories

"Injected with HIV"

How can people disassociate themselves so much from another living creature that they can willingly inflict such misery?

We are a plague on this planet.

Sticky_Fingers

steddyeddy wrote: »

Testing on the great apes should be banned, many companies have already stopped testing on apes. They should never have been in a lab in the first place.

And what do you propose we use instead, scumbags?

It's not nice, it's not pleasant and it certainly isn't humane but the only alternative to animal testing is to accept the deaths of walking, talking human beings whose lives may have been saved by medicines developed using animal testing.

4leto

Ahhh poor things

But its the old argument, animal testing has improved the quality of human life.

michael999999

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

And what do you propose we use instead, scumbags?

It's not nice, it's not pleasant and it certainly isn't humane but the only alternative to animal testing is to accept the deaths of walking, talking human beings whose lives may have been saved by medicines developed using animal testing.

I would happily see them subbed for Bertie and hes Fianna Fail cronnies!

Andromeda_111

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

And what do you propose we use instead,

Nothing, if the act is morally bankrupt then it shouldn't be done, regardless of the 'benefits' that might be gained.

Temptamperu

4leto wrote: »

Ahhh poor things

But its the old argument, animal testing has improved the quality of human life.

Whats so special about human lives that it needs improving?

steddyeddy

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

And what do you propose we use instead, scumbags?

It's not nice, it's not pleasant and it certainly isn't humane but the only alternative to animal testing is to accept the deaths of walking, talking human beings whose lives may have been saved by medicines developed using animal testing.

Ah I have to clarify my point. Im not against animal testing I am against testing on the great apes. Some of the great apes have been taught sign langauge and shown problem solving, compassion and empathy. One of the few differences between us and them is our ability to talk. Chimps have even better short term memory than us as shown by this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz7ShiQqLQg

A gorilla called micheal when asked about his family used sign langauge and used words like "loud noise, look at mothers face, thinking trouble and cry" it was learned that micheal's mother was shot in the head by poachers.

Basically put there is nothing that convinces me that any of the great apes dont experience any of the trauma, stress or emotional distress that a human would in a simular situation.

Sticky_Fingers

OasisGirl wrote: »

Nothing, if the act is morally bankrupt then it shouldn't be done, regardless of the 'benefits' that might be gained.

I can guarantee that if your child or partner was ever unfortunate enough to suffer from a disease that could have been cured by animal testing morality and high mindedness would be chucked out the window pretty sharpish.

steddyeddy

4leto wrote: »

Ahhh poor things

But its the old argument, animal testing has improved the quality of human life.

Im not against animal testing in fact Im for it. Just not on our closest relatives.

Andromeda_111

steddyeddy wrote: »

Im not against animal testing in fact Im for it. Just not on our closest relatives.

Why is it okay for some animals and not for others?

Andromeda_111

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

I can guarantee that if your child or partner was ever unfortunate enough to suffer from a disease that could have been cured by animal testing morality and high mindedness would be chucked out the window pretty sharpish.

I'd like to think not.

Pure Sound

The people responsible for their captivity should be jailed for 30 years, testing on animals is just wrong

Pure Sound

steddyeddy wrote: »

Im not against animal testing in fact Im for it. Just not on our closest relatives.

Why do you think it is ok on other animals?

paddyandy

I want to visit Dublin Zoo but i'm afraid i'll get depressed by it.

Sticky_Fingers

OasisGirl wrote: »

I'd like to think not.

Hopefully we'll never have to find out but personally if I thought it gave one of my family a fighting chance I'd strap the chimp to the operating table myself quicker then s/he could peel a banana.

MagicMarker

We Need Community wrote: »

The people responsible for their captivity should be jailed for 30 years, testing on animals is just wrong

Have you ever taken medication, because if you've taken a pill it was probably tested on animals first to make sure it wouldn't kill you.

Andromeda_111

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

Hopefully we'll never have to find out but personally if I thought it gave one of my family a fighting chance I'd strap the chimp to the operating table myself quicker then s/he could peel a banana.

That's where your moral compass lies......not mine

steddyeddy

MagicMarker wrote: »

Have you ever taken medication, because if you've taken a pill it was probably tested on animals first to make sure it wouldn't kill you.

Whats the success rate of testing on chimps?

4leto

Just something to think about
Quote taken from wiki
Contemporary knowledge concerning the manner in which the human body reacts to freezing is based almost exclusively on these Nazi experiments. This, together with the recent use of data from Nazi research into the effects of phosgene gas, has proven controversial and presents an ethical dilemma for modern physicians who do not agree with the methods used to obtain these data.[19] Similarly, controversy has arisen from the use of results of biological warfare testing done by the Imperial Japanese Army's Unit 731.[29] However, the results from Unit 731 were kept classified by the United States and the majority of doctors involved were given pardons

Also a lot of battlefield medicine mainly in triage is also taken from the research done in the camps on Jewish victims. When training battlefield medics they would shoot a victim and let the medics practice and see which wound were best to treat first,

Although primates are not human and to spite what some would say they are not even close to us, but they can suffer. I think that suffering is justified for the benefit of mankind, just like I think a farm animal is reared for us to eat and some of these animals do suffer aswell but for a greater good.

Our good.

MagicMarker

steddyeddy wrote: »

Whats the success rate of testing on chimps?

I have no idea, I know that animal testing on non human primates led to vaccines for polio which drastically reduced it's occurrence. It's also contributed to the treatment of parkinsons.

What does it matter anyway? I thought you were against it because they are our closest cousins? Are you now saying that if the benefit to humans is greater then it would be ok?

General General

steddyeddy wrote: »

Ah I have to clarify my point. Im not against animal testing I am against testing on the great apes. Some of the great apes have been taught sign langauge and shown problem solving, compassion and empathy. One of the few differences between us and them is our ability to talk. Chimps have even better short term memory than us as shown by this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz7ShiQqLQg

A gorilla called micheal when asked about his family used sign langauge and used words like "loud noise, look at mothers face, thinking trouble and cry" it was learned that micheal's mother was shot in the head by poachers.

Basically put there is nothing that convinces me that any of the great apes dont experience any of the trauma, stress or emotional distress that a human would in a simular situation.

Let's see him after he's smoked a couple of joints.

steddyeddy

As to why I am not against testing on other animals. I think its a necessary evil. I would rather animals not be tested on but at this stage its essential to pushing through medication. However I have to draw the line at creatures who experience medical torture in the same way we do. I dont advocate testing on chimps for the same reason I wouldnt force testing on a human against their will.

steddyeddy

MagicMarker wrote: »

I have no idea, I know that animal testing on non human primates led to vaccines for polio which drastically reduced it's occurrence. It's also contributed to the treatment of parkinsons.

What does it matter anyway? I thought you were against it because they are our closest cousins? Are you now saying that if the benefit to humans is greater then it would be ok?

Well Im arguing against testing on members of the same taxonomic family as us (Hominidae). Im just wondering is their any particular reason why people think we have to test on chimps and what wouldnt we learn by testing on another creature?

jugger0

I really wish they would test on convicts instead of these poor animals.

jugger0

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well Im arguing against testing on members of the same taxonomic family as us (Hominidae). Im just wondering is their any particular reason why people think we have to test on chimps and what wouldnt we learn by testing on another creature?

Uhhhm cos they're most like us id imagine? i mean if you tested on slugs i dont think it would be as effective.

steddyeddy

jugger0 wrote: »

Uhhhm cos they're most like us id imagine? i mean if you tested on slugs i dont think it would be as effective.

I mean why not test on monkeys?

jugger0

steddyeddy wrote: »

I mean why not test on monkeys?

Because chimps are far more closely related to us.

steddyeddy

jugger0 wrote: »

Because chimps are far more closely related to us.

So you would think they react the same way to diseases than us right? They respond completely different than us to medication and disease. Chimps have been useless when used in aids research. The biggest reason why chimps are used is in Hepatitis research both B and C forms. There is nothing you cant learn from apes than you can from monkeys. I am against testing on apes for the same reason most people are against forcibly testing on humans.

ShadowGal

That just broke my heart too :-(

When you break it down we're just a bunch of heartless bastards

jugger0

steddyeddy wrote: »

So you would think they react the same way to diseases than us right? They respond completely different than us to medication and disease. Chimps have been useless when used in aids research. The biggest reason why chimps are used is in Hepatitis research both B and C forms. There is nothing you cant learn from apes than you can from monkeys. I am against testing on apes for the same reason most people are against forcibly testing on humans.

You defo just googled that!

Well what about testing on murderers and rapists? may as well get some use out of them. They test on a lot of animals, sure weren't monkeys first in space?

steddyeddy

jugger0 wrote: »

You defo just googled that!

Well what about testing on murderers and rapists? may as well get some use out of them. They test on a lot of animals, sure weren't monkeys first in space?

Im a biologist by education and wildlife biologist by inclination. Yea go ahead test on rapists I wouldnt shed a tear!

4leto

steddyeddy wrote: »

So you would think they react the same way to diseases than us right? They respond completely different than us to medication and disease. Chimps have been useless when used in aids research. The biggest reason why chimps are used is in Hepatitis research both B and C forms. There is nothing you cant learn from apes than you can from monkeys. I am against testing on apes for the same reason most people are against forcibly testing on humans.

Chimps have not been useless in HIV research, they get a form of of the virus called SIV but some chimps and monkeys have an immunity and can live with the infection but no humans can.

All medicine needs to be tested on animals and all new medicines also have to have a human trial.

Would you rather they skipped the animal testing and went straight to testing it on humans?????

ShadowGal

4leto wrote: »

Chimps have not been useless in HIV research, they get a form of of the virus called SIV but some chimps and monkeys have an immunity and can live with the infection but no humans can.

All medicine needs to be tested on animals and all new medicines also have to have a human trial.

Would you rather they skipped the animal testing and went straight to testing it on humans?????

Wouldnt bother me.

4leto

ShadowGal wrote: »

Wouldnt bother me.

For the greater good, say for a potential cancer/aids cure would you volunteer to be tested?