What colour is the diesel you get

moggser

How ya lads an ladies

Quick one for yall.. I was at a pump last week and was gettin the
Motion lotion for the van and I saw the attendee pump some into
A clear drum and it was green so I drive off thinking
It was the stuff the customs lads will have yours balls in a jar for
So was it or is that the normal colour as I thought it was a white colour
I know the red stuff is the farmers stuff and not to be touched

L1011

Red is a different country.... the dye in Irish MGO is a vivid enough green.

Diesel is a slightly yellow colour, its never fully clear, and the colour can vary depending on what blend it is which changes by time of year. We'll be getting in to the winter blends (which go waxy at a lower temperature) soon enough.

mickdw

It should be pretty clear although if looking at it in a clear container it may appear to have slight colour. green diesel though is very clearly green.

moggser

Yeah I was thinking that it's a yellowish colour
But even today I went for known garage
And there was a hint off green from that too
So gettin a little parro here cause I keep squirting diesel
All over the forecourts I go to ha ha

moggser

mickdw wrote: »

It should be pretty clear although if looking at it in a clear container it may appear to have slight colour. green diesel though is very clearly green.

Yeah the stuff I saw looked like a fat frog was gonna neck some lol
It was clearly colourful which I why I made like a tree ad ****ed off

savagecabbages

West
Kerry
Diesel

Fishtits

Buy yer diesel in one of the recognised multinationals.

That's my answer, as someone who has family both sides of the Border (so to speak) and does the relative mileage.

You have been warned.

msg11

moggser wrote: »

How ya lads an ladies

Quick one for yall.. I was at a pump last week and was gettin the
Motion lotion for the van and I saw the attendee pump some into
A clear drum and it was green so I drive off thinking
It was the stuff the customs lads will have yours balls in a jar for
So was it or is that the normal colour as I thought it was a white colour
I know the red stuff is the farmers stuff and not to be touched

Some petrol stations sell stuff that is marked, basically if you have a farm vechial you can bring it too a pump on a trailer and buy it, but it is marked.

Topaz down the docks sells, MGO (Marine Gas Oil). Nothing illegal about it, once it's marked.

The problem occurs in car engines when it's not marked and the acid used to remove the colour is not neutralised it can damage the engine.

I'm open to correction on this but some garages sell Green Diesel, although it's not called Green Diesel. More so agricultural diesel, once marked as so and sold to you as so and used on a farm there's nothing illegal about it. Using Green diesel on a public road is illegal.

It's usually a clear yellowish colour, the Red stuff is the English version of the Green stuff we have down here. Although I am not sure if revenue would have a problem if you use the red stuff in your car..

scholar007

moggser wrote: »

I was at a pump last week and was gettin the
Motion lotion for the van

Fcukin hilarious! Motion Lotion for the van - Never heard that one before.

moggser

I understand the green not been a good idea bit I'm not trying to find out
Where to get it as I've found three places that are doing it I'm trying to stay
Away from it.
Was at a topaz yesterday and there was a green hue to the diesel I put
In this is why i have many question mister sparkle

Cheers for the replys so far

Gophur

Green diesel is perfectly fine as a fuel, it's the same as the clear stuff. It will not harm your vehicle. (I have neighbours using it for years)

The problem is the bleached stuff, the IRA special fuel.

Outkast_IRE

If it was me i would just keep the receipts that way if your stopped you can prove you topped up at a petrol station with regular diesel and the garda will quickly forget about you if you lead them to a station illegally selling the stuff.

L1011

msg11 wrote: »

It's usually a clear yellowish colour, the Red stuff is the English version of the Green stuff we have down here. Although I am not sure if revenue would have a problem if you use the red stuff in your car..

They'll not look on it kindly, seeing as you'd have had to break the law in the UK to get the car here they'd probably still be able to do you under the same bit of the Vienna Convention that has the PSNI fining people for out of date ROI tax discs.

moggser

Gophur wrote: »

Green diesel is perfectly fine as a fuel, it's the same as the clear stuff. It will not harm your vehicle.
The problem is the bleached stuff, the IRA special fuel.

i know it wont harm the vehicle but it is not legal tho..right??
thats what im trying to figure out is it a common misconception that it is green that the customs are after as diesel has a green hue from it instead of a white colour and there is a green dye in there and they are actually looking for the washed stuff or the red or are they really looking for Green stuff?

L1011

moggser wrote: »

i know it wont harm the vehicle but it is not legal tho..right??
thats what im trying to figure out is it a common misconception that it is green that the customs are after as diesel has a green hue from it instead of a white colour and there is a green dye in there and they are actually looking for the washed stuff or the red or are they really looking for Green stuff?

They're looking for all of it - dyed green, dyed red, mixes of both (that was the old IRA trick, mix the two and they went grey - looked OK to some people) and scrubbed. Often the scrubbed diesel hasn't got the colour but still has the chemical marker in it so they can still detect that.

Gophur

moggser wrote: »

i know it wont harm the vehicle but it is not legal tho..right??
thats what im trying to figure out is it a common misconception that it is green that the customs are after as diesel has a green hue from it instead of a white colour and there is a green dye in there and they are actually looking for the washed stuff or the red or are they really looking for Green stuff?

They have two tests.

1. Colour, where the dye is clearly evident
2. A pH test where they test the fuel for any acidic residue (from the bleach used.


All my fuel is bought from reputable/branded stations, and paid for with credit card. In the unlikely event I am asked to prove where I bought it, I have all the evidence/receipts.

MugMugs

MYOB wrote: »

they'd probably still be able to do you under the same bit of the Vienna Convention that has the PSNI fining people for out of date ROI tax discs.

A bit off topic but, Ya what now Ted???

sean1141

msg11 wrote: »

I'm open to correction on this but some garages sell Green Diesel, although it's not called Green Diesel. More so agricultural diesel, once marked as so and sold to you as so and used on a farm there's nothing illegal about it. Using Green diesel on a public road is illegal.

all depends on what you are using it in a farmer can use it in his tractor on a public road

MugMugs

sean1141 wrote: »

msg11 wrote: »

I'm open to correction on this but some garages sell Green Diesel, although it's not called Green Diesel. More so agricultural diesel, once marked as so and sold to you as so and used on a farm there's nothing illegal about it. Using Green diesel on a public road is illegal.

all depends on what you are using it in a farmer can use it in his tractor on a public road

Eh, ya sure? I think you're wrong

Truckers use it to keep their refrigeration units ticking. Separate tank though.

Bandara

Derv has a definite greenish hue to it coming out of a pump,

Tabnabs

Gophur wrote: »

Green diesel is perfectly fine as a fuel, it's the same as the clear stuff. It will not harm your vehicle. (I have neighbours using it for years)

This is not entirely true as there are now different grades of "green diesel" available and all are a lower spec than Derv automotive diesel.

http://www.environ.ie/en/Environment/Atmosphere/AirQuality/FuelStandards/#Implications%20for%20Gas%20Oils

These newer engines will be damaged if exposed to high levels of sulphur, even if it is only for a brief period. The Department understands that manufacturers have stated that this damage will not be covered under warranty.

moggser

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All my fuel is bought from reputable/branded stations, and paid for with credit card. In the unlikely event I am asked to prove where I bought it, I have all the evidence/receipts.[/QUOTE]

yeah that's all well and good but if they are watchin for example
Filling up in topaz and they pull ya couple yards down the road and find green
In their eyes your green and that's that 3000 on spot fine and you can't do jack about it from what I gather anyway

Del2005

Tabnabs wrote: »

This is not entirely true as there are now different grades of "green diesel" available and all are a lower spec than Derv automotive diesel.

http://www.environ.ie/en/Environment/Atmosphere/AirQuality/FuelStandards/#Implications%20for%20Gas%20Oils

They've recently switched all Green diesel to low sulphur. Farmers now need to get additives for older vehicles that need the higher sulphur.

Tabnabs

Del2005 wrote: »

They've recently switched all Green diesel to low sulphur. Farmers now need to get additives for older vehicles that need the higher sulphur.

Not as simple as that I'm afraid, gas oil for marine and home heating is still high sulphur and cheaper to buy. It would seem the farmers are still keen to use this grade this as the Dept of Environment circular points out the penalties that apply if they continue to do so.

L1011

MugMugs wrote: »

A bit off topic but, Ya what now Ted???

The Vienna Convention requires a car that's being driven outside of its own country to still be road legal in its own country.

If you drive in the North with an expired tax, insurance or NCT cert and the PSNI stop you at a checkpoint they will fine you or possibly seize the car until you prove you've paid for it (Despite it being our govt you have to pay!)

Mainly its done to stop people who live near the border but inside in NI driving an untaxed uninsured Irish car and assuming they could get away with it, as they generally did for many years. We just get people doing that for VRT but seeing as the UK's registration fee is miniscule, they need a bigger hammer.

MugMugs wrote: »

Eh, ya sure? I think you're wrong

Truckers use it to keep their refrigeration units ticking. Separate tank though.

Farmers can use it on-road if their tractor is VRTed as being limited to 50km/h. Lots use it in faster tractors and get away with it.

knotknowbody

moggser wrote: »

yeah that's all well and good but if they are watchin for example
Filling up in topaz and they pull ya couple yards down the road and find green
In their eyes your green and that's that 3000 on spot fine and you can't do jack about it from what I gather anyway

This is not true, I know of a case where somebody filled up in a rural filling station then drove about 3km up the road were stopped, dipped and found to be green, they brought the customs guy down to the filling station and as they knew the owner had no problem getting access to the cctv to show he filled up at the pump for road diesel, there was also a pump for agri-diesel on the forecourt.

After taking a sample from both it emerged that the road diesel tank was full with agri and the agri diesel tank contained about a 50:50 mix of road and agri, upon further investigation it was discovered that the fuel delivery truck had visited that morning and the driver had mixed up his delivery and put the wrong diesel in each tank.

Both the driver and the filling station proprietor were given no fine but the oil company were given a damn big one as they were deemed responsible for everyone who filled up between the time the tanker refilled the tanks and the time they sampled the pump, they verified how many people this was by cctv at the station, so if you have proof you bought what you taught was road diesel from a reputable station you are in the clear.

moggser

knotknowbody wrote: »

This is not true, I know of a case where somebody filled up in a rural filling station then drove about 3km up the road were stopped, dipped and found to be green, they brought the customs guy down to the filling station and as they knew the owner had no problem getting access to the cctv to show he filled up at the pump for road diesel, there was also a pump for agri-diesel on the forecourt.

After taking a sample from both it emerged that the road diesel tank was full with agri and the agri diesel tank contained about a 50:50 mix of road and agri, upon further investigation it was discovered that the fuel delivery truck had visited that morning and the driver had mixed up his delivery and put the wrong diesel in each tank.

Both the driver and the filling station proprietor were given no fine but the oil company were given a damn big one as they were deemed responsible for everyone who filled up between the time the tanker refilled the tanks and the time they sampled the pump, they verified how many people this was by cctv at the station, so if you have proof you bought what you taught was road diesel from a reputable station you are in the clear.

its all well and good and saying that when ya can actually "prove" that via cctv and thats concrete, i was on the phone talking with a mate there and he told me that he was stopped and dipped and FINED 3000 even with receipts from the garages he was filling up from so you can see where im coming from then yeah ?

MugMugs

moggser wrote: »

knotknowbody wrote: »

This is not true, I know of a case where somebody filled up in a rural filling station then drove about 3km up the road were stopped, dipped and found to be green, they brought the customs guy down to the filling station and as they knew the owner had no problem getting access to the cctv to show he filled up at the pump for road diesel, there was also a pump for agri-diesel on the forecourt.

After taking a sample from both it emerged that the road diesel tank was full with agri and the agri diesel tank contained about a 50:50 mix of road and agri, upon further investigation it was discovered that the fuel delivery truck had visited that morning and the driver had mixed up his delivery and put the wrong diesel in each tank.

Both the driver and the filling station proprietor were given no fine but the oil company were given a damn big one as they were deemed responsible for everyone who filled up between the time the tanker refilled the tanks and the time they sampled the pump, they verified how many people this was by cctv at the station, so if you have proof you bought what you taught was road diesel from a reputable station you are in the clear.

its all well and good and saying that when ya can actually "prove" that via cctv and thats concrete, i was on the phone talking with a mate there and he told me that he was stopped and dipped and FINED 3000 even with receipts from the garages he was filling up from so you can see where im coming from then yeah ?

This is all Urban Myth with no proof of occurrence. If you're innocent then you're entitled to appeal anything that's thrown at you.

Del2005

Tabnabs wrote: »

Not as simple as that I'm afraid, gas oil for marine and home heating is still high sulphur and cheaper to buy. It would seem the farmers are still keen to use this grade this as the Dept of Environment circular points out the penalties that apply if they continue to do so.

The thread is about road and marked diesel, when the potential harm that marked diesel could have on a modern car was asked, not what new way farmers have of avoiding paying tax.

moggser

MugMugs wrote: »

This is all Urban Myth with no proof of occurrence. If you're innocent then you're entitled to appeal anything that's thrown at you.

well not according to people i know of who got done for it the most they ever got out of a appeal was half the fine i.e 1500 instead of the 3000