BB's blowing in the wind?

Jimmy bo 186

Hi there, I have another sniper question to ask. I have a re-built Bar 10 g-spec with a 6.03, 460mm tb barrel and what i was told was a firefly hop-up rubber and quite a few other upgrades that are irrelevent. Anyway, When i shoot my bar 10 g-spec the bb's move alot in the wind, alot more so than an aeg, even if there is only a slight breeze so its practically useless using it unless its a completely dead day. I use .23 and .25g excel bb's and i have the hop-up set properly. Do you have this problem with any of ye're snipers or any gun for that matter?

Hope you can get back to me on this

Thanks

Bobby Baccala

you cant stop that

$kilkenny

you could try and use it?
wind is good for curling bbs around say trees...
works better with AEGs but with practise you could use the wind as a weapon
sounds stupid but at times it has worked for me
also if you play in say woodland alot then the wind wont effect yours bbs that amount.. a slight breeze is what you would mainly get

MonkeyGuy

Are you sure it's the wind that's effecting it and not an incorrectly seated hop-up rubber or human error (ie. slightly tilting the gun when shooting).

The thing is, you probably just notice it more because you're looking at the target through a tube and expecting the BBs to land on the crosshairs, whereas with an AEG you don't expect the same accuracy.

If you're really having a trouble a little trick is to tilt the gun towards the wind when shooting so the hop-up counter-acts the effect of the wind.

Jimmy bo 186

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

Are you sure it's the wind that's effecting it and not an incorrectly seated hop-up rubber or human error (ie. slightly tilting the gun when shooting).

The thing is, you probably just notice it more because you're looking at the target through a tube and expecting the BBs to land on the crosshairs, whereas with an AEG you don't expect the same accuracy.

If you're really having a trouble a little trick is to tilt the gun towards the wind when shooting so the hop-up counter-acts the effect of the wind.

Paddy, I know i cant stop the wind but that is not what i am getting. I am just trying to figure out if it is the hop-up rubber or if anyone else finds that their sniper bb's blow alot more in the wind than a single shot.

Monkeyguy. Thanks alot for your opinion. Do you think it could be anything to do with the hop up rubber being softer than the hop up rubber in an aeg?

Inari

MonkeyGuy wrote: »

Are you sure it's the wind that's effecting it and not an incorrectly seated hop-up rubber or human error (ie. slightly tilting the gun when shooting).

This. If you've done something to the rifle, then disassemble and look at everything, then put it back together and re-examine.

Just out of curiosity, what is the muzzle energy of the rifle?

Arkslippy

I found the same thing. I think its just in the nature of a spring operated rifle. That and you are more focused on the single shot. If you are saying its an odd spin thing where all your shots have "english" on them too, you may have a little bit of debris in the barrel that is effecting the spin.

Jimmy bo 186

Arkslippy wrote: »

I found the same thing. I think its just in the nature of a spring operated rifle. That and you are more focused on the single shot. If you are saying its an odd spin thing where all your shots have "english" on them too, you may have a little bit of debris in the barrel that is effecting the spin.

It shoots around 1 joule. I might just give the barrel another cleaning but i highly doubt its that. It may be the hop-up rubber but its funny that it is perfect on a day where there is no breeze or wind. Arkslippy. do you have a sniper? If you do, how does it compare to an aeg on a windy and dead day?

Jimmy bo 186

Jimmy bo 186 wrote: »

It shoots around 1 joule. I might just give the barrel another cleaning but i highly doubt its that. It may be the hop-up rubber but its funny that it is perfect on a day where there is no breeze or wind. Arkslippy. do you have a sniper? If you do, how does it compare to an aeg on a windy and dead day?

Inari. Any particular reason as to why you asked me what the power of it is?

Rhinocharge

At what distance does the wind catch the bb?

BioHazRd

All bbs are affected by wind to some degree. You may just be focussing on this more than normal because you are looking at each shot individually. Why don't you try a heavier bb (up to .43 perhaps) as the heavier bbs are less prone to wind interference.

Icyseanfitz

wouldnt you need to increase the power of the gun if you where increasing the weight of the bb i order to get the gun to 1 joule ?

Shidosha

No Icyseanfitz, that's not how it works. You should probably take a read of the "What is 1 Joule" sticky.

I'd guess Inari was asking about the energy because the speed of the bb is probably going to be a major factor. Spinning spherical objects can start doing odd things in flight at various thresholds for complicated aerodynamic reasons. This oddness is more likely at high speeds and with low-weight objects.

So, if your rifle is shooting right up at 1 joule, then a 0.2g or 0.25g bb is going to be travelling pretty quickly, and this might cause problems. I'd say try the set up with 0.43g bbs and see how it goes. They're heavier, so the wind won't blow them off course as much, and they'll travel more slowly so their own velocity is less likely to cause problems. With projectiles as light as the bbs we use, power isn't everything.

I'm inclined to think, however, that this is probably a matter of perspective. With a sniper rifle you've got a scope and watch every single shot carefully - you're most likely witnessing something that happens with your AEG too, but because of circumstances you're actually aware of it as a problem, rather than simply occupying yourself with sending a few more shots down range.

Icyseanfitz

eugh really early when i posted that reply of course the energy stays the same its just the velocity that changes when you change the weight

Alan b.

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

eugh really early when i posted that reply of course the energy stays the same its just the velocity that changes when you change the weight

Take the gun apart and check the hop up bucking andclean the barrel. When you put it back together try heavier bb's. Even in pistols I found heavier bb's made the flight path a lot straighter.

Arkslippy

Jimmy bo 186 wrote: »

It shoots around 1 joule. I might just give the barrel another cleaning but i highly doubt its that. It may be the hop-up rubber but its funny that it is perfect on a day where there is no breeze or wind. Arkslippy. do you have a sniper? If you do, how does it compare to an aeg on a windy and dead day?

I had one, it was fine, it fires the same as an aeg but whereas with an aeg you would "walk" a stream of rounds into your Target or catch them with a burst on a snapshot, it was sometimes frustrating to pick a Target at longish range, shoot and either not know if you hit, or miss and not be able to reengage without cocking the gun, by which time they would be gone. It was good for hitting stationary targets at normal aeg range as long as they could not see you.

But I play mainly cqb and its not really an option for me.

Alan b.

Arkslippy wrote: »

I had one, it was fine, it fires the same as an aeg but whereas with an aeg you would "walk" a stream of rounds into your Target or catch them with a burst on a snapshot, it was sometimes frustrating to pick a Target at longish range, shoot and either not know if you hit, or miss and not be able to reengage without cocking the gun, by which time they would be gone. It was good for hitting stationary targets at normal aeg range as long as they could not see you.

But I play mainly cqb and its not really an option for me.

m14 is a great gun if you like the rifle style but want full auto.

Jimmy bo 186

Alan b. wrote: »

m14 is a great gun if you like the rifle style but want full auto.

No thanks, I wont be using an m14 anyway, Would'nt call it a sniper. I love sniping, Thats why i play Airsoft. Anyway, I shot the gun today while there was no breeze out, And it was unbelievable, Hit everything i aimed at. The other thing i thaught was making the bb's blow alot is the power. I have been switching between springs to find the best one and i think it could be shooting over 328 fps so that might be something to do with it. Otherwise i am just making a big deal out of nothing. regardless of whether i can get the gun any better than it is now, It is still much better than any aeg i have when theres not much wind out.

thermo

the wind is just another item to factor in when choosing a hide. anticipate where the "enemy" will approach from, and try get the wind directly behind you.

Alan b.

Jimmy bo 186 wrote: »

No thanks, I wont be using an m14 anyway, Would'nt call it a sniper. I love sniping, Thats why i play Airsoft. Anyway, I shot the gun today while there was no breeze out, And it was unbelievable, Hit everything i aimed at. The other thing i thaught was making the bb's blow alot is the power. I have been switching between springs to find the best one and i think it could be shooting over 328 fps so that might be something to do with it. Otherwise i am just making a big deal out of nothing. regardless of whether i can get the gun any better than it is now, It is still much better than any aeg i have when theres not much wind out.

eh, the m14 IS a sniper rifle. or at least thats the role it plays. a designated marksmans rifle and it's the basis of two sniping rifles, the m21 and m25.

they dont even make it with full auto anymore in real life.

but whatever you're into. thats the main thing.

get the fps right, with a .2g bb, then once thats in around 320, start upping the weight of the bb's you are using. get a hand full of differant ones to test out and see what you prefer.

Bobby Baccala

just want to let you know the m14 is a battle rifle why on earth would they have trained the marines for vietnam and then deployed them with a so called sniper rifle do your research

Shidosha

The M14 was indeed originally designed and built as a standard infantry man's assault rifle. (Battle rifle is a fairly non-specific term that typically just refers to an assault rifle in greater than 5.56mm - that is pretty much obsolete rifles like the M14 and G3).

That's not how it's used any more. It was supplanted by the M16 during the very same Vietnam era you seem so well educated about.

Current variations of the M14 include the M14 EBR and M39 EMR, and the USMC DMR, all used as Designated Marksman Rifles. There are also the SOCOM variants, used to provide CQB/DMR cover with a 7.62mm round. And the M14 platform was used to develop the M21 and M25 sniper rifles. The M14 has basically been used as a DMR/Sniper system since it stopped being the main rifle of the infantryman. All it ever needed was a scope on top.

It is now being replaced by most branches of the military that use it with the M110 so far as I know.

Bobby Baccala

your good

Jimmy bo 186

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

your good

The reason i said i would'nt call an m14 a sniper is because it is airsoft we are playing and in airsoft the m14 is an aeg and there is no difference in shooting one than an m4 or ak etc. Where as a bolt-action sniper is a completely different story. Its a challenge, its fun and its silent.

Anyway. Thanks for the tip Thermo

thermo

No bothers

Alan b.

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

just want to let you know the m14 is a battle rifle why on earth would they have trained the marines for vietnam and then deployed them with a so called sniper rifle do your research

dont be so quick to jump down peoples throat.
and heed your own advice before ya post like that.

saves ya from getting egg everywhere.

Jimmy bo 186 wrote: »

The reason i said i would'nt call an m14 a sniper is because it is airsoft we are playing and in airsoft the m14 is an aeg and there is no difference in shooting one than an m4 or ak etc. Where as a bolt-action sniper is a completely different story. Its a challenge, its fun and its silent.

Anyway. Thanks for the tip Thermo

not all Bolt action rifles are silent, and the PSG1 is an asg too but thats definitly not an automatic weapon like an m4,

but i get what ya mean alright. just handy to be able to vary your games a bit with the one gun.

MonkeyGuy

Well the m21 is a variation of the m14. It was made semi-auto, along with some other changes, so it's hard to say the m24 itself is a sniper rifle.

I agree that in terms of airsoft, unless you completely stick to semi-auto (or better still use one of those MOSFETs with "Sniper Mode") you can't call it a sniper rifle. Of course an airsoft m14 with a scope works as an m21, if you go with the semi-auto thing.

Anyways there's a difference between being a Designated Marksman and being a sniper....

Jimmy bo 186

Alan b. wrote: »

dont be so quick to jump down peoples throat.
and heed your own advice before ya post like that.

saves ya from getting egg everywhere.




not all Bolt action rifles are silent, and the PSG1 is an asg too but thats definitly not an automatic weapon like an m4,

but i get what ya mean alright. just handy to be able to vary your games a bit with the one gun.

yea, good point actually