What Defines A TV

cusackd · 07-09-2011 4:30am #1

OK so this is an off shoot of the thread about RTE Programming and going on about TV Licence.

So i have a 46 inch Samsung LCD Screen that i use as a monitor to watch movies on my laptop, i use it for my xbox to play games and i use it with my blue ray player for more movies. So when is a computer monitor not a monitor and when does it become a TV, is it the antenna or is it the possibility of being able to use an antenna?

The Scientician · 07-09-2011 4:34am

Does it receive a TV signal?

The Highwayman · 07-09-2011 4:41am

Its not the TV you need to worry about. If you have a radio, one by the bed or in the kitchen or on pc then you need the TV licence.

cusackd · 07-09-2011 4:41am

Not without an antenna

cusackd · 07-09-2011 4:42am

The Highwayman wrote: »

Its not the TV you need to worry about. If you have a radio, one by the bed or in the kitchen or on pc then you need the TV licence.

Believe it or not i have no radio use speakers on tv for playing music on computer

The Highwayman · 07-09-2011 4:46am

cusackd wrote: »

Believe it or not i have no radio use speakers on tv for playing music on computer

Best of luck trying to argue that one

SV · 07-09-2011 4:48am

The Highwayman wrote: »

Best of luck trying to argue that one

Surely the onus is on them to prove that. Not for us to disprove it?

MrStuffins · 07-09-2011 4:50am

The Dictionary?

The Highwayman · 07-09-2011 4:50am

SV wrote: »

Surely the onus is on them to prove that. Not for us to disprove it?

You maybe right but remember we are now in 'lets screw everybody' mode these days. I'm just saying if the ding dong comes to the door they WILLtry to do you.

MrStuffins · 07-09-2011 4:52am

The Highwayman wrote: »

Its not the TV you need to worry about. If you have a radio, one by the bed or in the kitchen or on pc then you need the TV licence.

We've had threads on this already by the way, you don't need a licence for the radio!

All the information is here

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html

The Scientician · 07-09-2011 4:54am

cusackd wrote: »

Not without an antenna

Does it have a connection for an aerial in the back of it? If so, then you need a TV licence AFAIK.

Helix · 07-09-2011 4:57am

havent they changed it so that anything capable of receiving tv signals counts, including smartphones, laptops and computers

The Scientician · 07-09-2011 5:05am

Helix wrote: »

havent they changed it so that anything capable of receiving tv signals counts, including smartphones, laptops and computers

You do not require a television licence to watch television on your computer or mobile phone. However, you do require a licence if the computer is used together with any other apparatus to receive a signal.

From: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html

Which the OP should read.

MrStuffins · 07-09-2011 5:07am

Helix wrote: »

havent they changed it so that anything capable of receiving tv signals counts, including smartphones, laptops and computers

No

Seriously, all the information is here

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html

I'm not even joking!

The Highwayman · 07-09-2011 5:23am

MrStuffins wrote: »

We've had threads on this already by the way, you don't need a licence for the radio!

All the information is here

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer_affairs/media/tv_licences.html

Hand up. My bad, I thought it was the case

FatherLen · 07-09-2011 6:44am

all new tvs can search and receive channels without a "pipe" or a coathanger in the back. sorry op, you need a license.

Irish Guitarist · 07-09-2011 7:20am

I remember hearing somewhere that you need a licence for a television even if you don't have an aerial for it.

Cabaal · 07-09-2011 7:26am

If it has any sort of tuner then it is a TV, this would mean that any of the following require a TV license
- VCR's
- DVD recorders that have tuners
- TV Capture cards for PC's
- TV's that can receive ANY signals, doersn't matter if its a CRT or LCD etc

A computer monitor is a computer monitor, it only has a port to connect to a graphics card on a computer, if it can connect to a xbox via HDMI or Scart and can connect to DVD or bluray players then its not a monitor as it likely has a tuner. You don't have a 46" computer monitor you have a 46" LCD TV.

Bottom line OP is it won't matter soon, the TV license system will be replaced with a general household charge that everyone will have to pay anyway. However in the mean time regardless of if you actually watch channels on your TV it still has a tuner and as such by law requires a TV license.

I don't agree with the TV license setup myself but no point in sugar coating it for you.

steve9859 · 07-09-2011 7:29am

The Scientician wrote: »

You do not require a television licence to watch television on your computer or mobile phone. However, you do require a licence if the computer is used together with any other apparatus to receive a signal.

.

How can you watch tv on your laptop without it receiving a signal? Does broadband count as a signal? Or wireless? Those 2 sentences seem at odds with each other

PogMoThoin · 07-09-2011 7:33am

If its a UK TV that does MPEG2 and doesn't do MPEG4 needed for Saorview, then its a TV, but only until the end of 2012 when Analogue gets turned off. Then it could be argued that it becomes a monitor as its not capable of receiving TV here anymore without buying a set top box.

blackbird98 · 07-09-2011 12:41pm

and here was me thinking that a TV was a guy who wore clothes meant women!! how wrong can you be!!:rolleyes:

Eric Cartman · 07-09-2011 12:47pm

http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/05/3/2/6/2196572427038381.jpg

if it has one of these its a tv

PogMoThoin · 07-09-2011 4:46pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/05/3/2/6/2196572427038381.jpg

if it has one of these its a tv

Having that RF socket means nothing. There are thousands of current TV's that have that connection which won't be TV's after 2012 after ASO as they will then be unsuitable to receive a signal here

FlutterinBantam · 07-09-2011 4:53pm

cusackd wrote: »

OK so this is an off shoot of the thread about RTE Programming and going on about TV Licence.

So i have a 46 inch Samsung LCD Screen that i use as a monitor to watch movies on my laptop, i use it for my xbox to play games and i use it with my blue ray player for more movies. So when is a computer monitor not a monitor and when does it become a TV, is it the antenna or is it the possibility of being able to use an antenna?

You are one exciting lad, in fairness:cool:

Micky Dolenz · 07-09-2011 5:02pm

So you are asking if your 46" Samsung tv is a tv or not. I don't get it.

stimpson · 07-09-2011 5:06pm

Cabaal wrote: »

A computer monitor is a computer monitor, it only has a port to connect to a graphics card on a computer, if it can connect to a xbox via HDMI or Scart and can connect to DVD or bluray players then its not a monitor as it likely has a tuner. You don't have a 46" computer monitor you have a 46" LCD TV.

Not true. HDMI and DVI carry the same video signal. I have a HDMI monitor in work connected to my computer with a DVI -> HDMI lead. It cannot recieve TV pictures though.

You can use a monitor to play DVD/Blu Ray with a HDMI ->DVI cable. If it is capable of receiving TV signals, then it has a tuner (to tune different frequencies/channels) and therefore you need a licence, regardless of whether you use it as a TV or not.

redt0m · 07-09-2011 5:08pm

OP, your TV has a tuner in it capable of receiving TV signals. You need a licence. Even if you don't use it.

If your PC has a TV tuner card in it, you need a licence.

Don't try and argue this with an Inspector, you'll only dig yourself into a hole and you won't be able to get out.

Get rid of anything that can receive a TV signal. Then you won't have to pay.

p.s. you don't have a 46 inch Samsung LCD 'Screen'. Monitors that size don't exist. You have a 46 inch Samsung LCD TV.

Saila · 07-09-2011 5:31pm

the thing in the corner of a room, which all the furniture points at

Saila · 07-09-2011 5:34pm

FatherLen wrote: »

all new tvs can search and receive channels without a "pipe" or a coathanger in the back. sorry op, you need a license.

*unplugs pipe*

ah nothing!, just the nuclear explosion/snow movie, Im in the clear right?

dilallio · 07-09-2011 5:35pm

If you have an aerial you need a tv licence.

As a clothes hanger can be bushed into the ariel socket of a tv, and used as an antenna, does that mean you need a tv licence for a clothes hanger.

I know this is a daft example, but the licence inspector told me that because I had an antenna, I needed a licence.

Capt'n Midnight · 07-09-2011 6:04pm

Helix wrote: »

havent they changed it so that anything capable of receiving tv signals counts, including smartphones, laptops and computers

Also video recoders , and PVR's, satellite receivers, set top boxes , saorview , usb tuners that cost a tenner

Anything that can receive broadcast TV signals including satellite.

IIRC they removed the requirement to have a license for certain mobile phones.

NB. Unlike the UK disabling the device isn't an exemption. If it's reparable then you need a license. So shorting out or breaking the antenna connection means you can get to discuss the finer points of repairable with the judge.

TheZohanS · 07-09-2011 6:06pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

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NB. Unlike the UK disabling the device isn't an exemption. If it's reparable then you need a license. So shorting out or breaking the antenna connection means you can get to discuss the finer points of repairable with the judge.

What if you took out the tuner altogether and had a letter from an electrical shop to say it was removed?

steve9859 · 07-09-2011 6:39pm

TheZohan wrote: »

What if you took out the tuner altogether and had a letter from an electrical shop to say it was removed?

And its worth all that hassle for 3 euros a week?

TheZohanS · 07-09-2011 6:42pm

steve9859 wrote: »

And its worth all that hassle for 3 euros a week?

If you've lost your job and don't have €160 it might be to some people.

Micky Dolenz · 07-09-2011 6:57pm

TheZohan wrote: »

If you've lost your job and don't have €160 it might be to some people.

Don't buy a 46" TV then

ScumLord · 07-09-2011 7:06pm

You need one of these to avoid the license. It's usually used as digital signage for shops.

TheZohanS · 07-09-2011 7:09pm

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Don't buy a 46" TV then

I hear they're giving them away free with the dole these days, and if they get dirty you throw it away and they give you a new one.

hondasam · 07-09-2011 7:12pm

TheZohan wrote: »

I hear they're giving them away free with the dole these days, and if they get dirty you throw it away and they give you a new one.

It's two actually,one for upstairs, one for downstairs.

starbelgrade · 07-09-2011 7:13pm

They've heard all the excuses.

How could you live with the shame.

etc.

What Defines A TV

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