Is there too much emphasis on the 9/11 anniversary?

jimbobaloobob

Every year there seems to be more and more documentaries of the 9/11 incident.

Do you think theres a saturation in the coverage on tvs at this time of year?

Personally i think its just meat for the media sandwich and feeding peoples emotions of sorrow and gloom

W.Shakes-Beer

There's too many threads on 9/11 for one.

mike65

11/9 you mean?

jimbobaloobob

I agree with you, but its the only one ill start.

I just feel it gets alot more recognition that many events of bigger or similar scale have maybe driven by its location. Im not interested in conspiracy or terrorist claims.

Crazy Horse 6

It's disgusting and this comes from a person who lived in NY for 7 years including on September the 11th. Right now as we type thousands are starving to death in Africa and yet all we keep hearing about is an event that occured several years ago.

abouttobebanned

We soak up American culture in their music, movies and TV. In fairness, thousands of people were murdered.

Fukuyama

Too much attention.

Some of the victims families have said they don't want all the attention or for their dead relatives to be given this 'All American Hero' style martyrdom legacy.

Let it pass with a small ceremony I say.

Fukuyama

mike65 wrote: »

11/9 you mean?

What happened on the 9th of November?

Crazy Horse 6

abouttobebanned wrote: »

We soak up American culture in their music, movies and TV. In fairness, thousands of people were murdered.

American soldiers have killed upwards of 70,000 Iraqi people since September 11th, why are'nt the media covering this with anniversys and hour long specials every year. Oh that's right they have darkish skin right.

Irish Guitarist

Channel 4 started advertising 9/11 documentaries a month ago. It's almost as bad as the way channels show Christmas advertisements two or three months before Christmas now.

Enough has been said about it already. They keep rehashing the same documentaries every year. It's pointless and depressing. I saw the planes flying into the World Trade Centre when it happened and I really don't need to see it happening over and over again.

Maybe we'll start to hear less and less about it after this year. It might end up like Pearl Harbour, the documentary channels will show something every five or ten years but not every single year.

castletownman

No there isn't. It was argueably the most tragic terrorist attack ever, and while it may be over-saturated in the media, it's hard not too overlook. Certainely the most significant event of my 23 years of life, except for the fall of the Berlin Wall (which I don't remember)

LC2010HIS

It's kind of annoying alright. It's glorified, like a Michael Bay movie.

There are other tragedies in the world eg Somalia, Haiti, Norway etc

It was something we have never seen before but... there are 4channels on my tv tonight airing 9/11 documentries!
Come on like.....!:mad:

goose2005

castletownman wrote: »

No there isn't. It was argueably the most tragic terrorist attack ever, and while it may be over-saturated in the media, it's hard not too overlook. Certainely the most significant event of my 23 years of life, except for the fall of the Berlin Wall (which I don't remember)

Rwanda genocide? Overall end of the USSR? Human Genome Project? Death of Katy French?

LC2010HIS

goose2005 wrote: »

Death of Katy French?

I still dont know who she was

castletownman

goose2005 wrote: »

Rwanda genocide? Overall end of the USSR? Human Genome Project? Death of Katy French?

I actually forgot to mention the death of MJ!!

But in all seriousness, if it's all well and good for American shows and even American mannerisms and sayings to dominate television and lifestyle over here, then surely the tenth anniversary of it's biggest tragedy since Pearl Harbour is going to get a lot of media attention

Karona

For me, its good to remember those poor people who died from this tragic event. Our family thought we lost my brother then, it was terrifying. I can only imagine people who did lose someone to the Twin Towers what they went through.

castletownman

Karona wrote: »

For me, its good to remember those poor people who died from this tragic event. Our family thought we lost my brother then, it was terrifying. I can only imagine people who did lose someone to the Twin Towers what they went through.

I agree totally. I have a photograph at home of me and my family standing outside the WTC dated at August 10th 2001. Considering what happened a month later it is a kind of personal event for me.....

CardBordWindow

A bit of a distraction from the economy crap I suppose.

starbelgrade

castletownman wrote: »

No there isn't. It was argueably the most tragic terrorist attack ever, and while it may be over-saturated in the media, it's hard not too overlook. Certainely the most significant event of my 23 years of life, except for the fall of the Berlin Wall (which I don't remember)

I have a great feeling that it only holds such significance in your life because it's something that happened in your own back yard. It was no doubt, a tragic event, but on the scale of things, only hugely significant because of where it happened & how much media attention it got.

The only thing that really surprised me about the attacks is that something like that has never happened before on U.S. soil, considering it's abysmal foreign affairs policies.

3,000 people died in the attacks, but that pales into insignificance against some of the major events of the last 10 years - the likes of the Sudan War where up to 400,000 people died, the US invasion of Iraq which has seen up to one million people die and the Congo War which saw around 4 million people killed.

But then again, if you want to believe everything you hear on Fox News & make it out to be the greatest tragedy of the 21st Century, then knock yourself out.

Some day, you may wake up to realise that America is not the centre of the universe... just a country with far too much money, power and sense of self importance for it's own good.

Liam Byrne

abouttobebanned wrote: »

In fairness, thousands of people were murdered.

Just like in Iraq ?

castletownman

While I appreciate everyone else,s different views, I don't know how one can compare the lives lost as a result of an act of terror to the lives lost in two civil wars in a war-torn continent.

RichieC

castletownman wrote: »

While I appreciate everyone else,s different views, I don't know how one can compare the lives lost as a result of an act of terror to the lives lost in two civil wars in a war-torn continent.

I can never quite understand this argument. Pearl Harbour though a military target was also "different".... hmm.

starbelgrade

castletownman wrote: »

While I appreciate everyone else,s different views, I don't know how one can compare the lives lost as a result of an act of terror to the lives lost in two civil wars in a war-torn continent.

You said that the attacks was the most significant event of your 23 years.

I made the comparison simply to show how - on the greater scale of things - how insignificant they were.

castletownman

starbelgrade wrote: »

You said that the attacks was the most significant event of your 23 years.

I made the comparison simply to show how - on the greater scale of things - how insignificant they were.

That's fair enough.

Maybe I'm going slightly off-topic, but from an Irish respective how significant are the wars in Sudan and Congo? How many Irish had relations/descendants caught up in 9/11?

But everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect that......

jimbobaloobob

Lets keep the discussion to the question posed and not take it down the pearl harbour etc route.

Only reason i asked the original question was that earlier i was at my parents house and flicking channels tv3 had two documentaries on 9/11 scheduled for tonight.
i feel at this stage theres documenatires done for the sake of it. Tommy was rescuing the cat from the tree on 9/11 etc.
Some of the stuff bears no link to the event only that they found some tragic story to stick in the programmes.

Theres no harm in remembering the dead and i fully agree with it. Was at the bottom of the WTC only a week before the event myself but its the constant bombardment of programmes each year that has me.

The genocide of Rwanda or the Tsunami in 2006,don't get similar wall to wall documenatries, nor do i think the earthquakes in Japan or Christchurch will on their anniversaries.
Maybe im wrong but i think the media think that sensationalism is all we want to watch.

starbelgrade

castletownman wrote: »

That's fair enough.

Maybe I'm going slightly off-topic, but from an Irish respective how significant are the wars in Sudan and Congo? How many Irish had relations/descendants caught up in 9/11?

But everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect that......

From an Irish perspective, the wars in Sudan & the Congo have had little or no effect. I would hazard a guess that a large percentage of the population don't even know that they ever occurred.

There would be very few who know nothing about 9/11, which is a damning comment on the state of play in western society.

Gigiwagga

I actually called RTE today trying to get some information on the documentary 'The Day That Changed The World' broadcast on Monday night, IMO a load of pro US right wing propaganda, nobody in RTE could tell me who sanctioned the broadcast of such drivel. It just seemed to have appeared there magically.

El Weirdo

castletownman wrote: »

...if it's all well and good for American shows and even American mannerisms and sayings to dominate television and lifestyle over here...

You say that like you think it's a good thing.

Sir Niggalot

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mossyc123

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

American soldiers have killed upwards of 70,000 Iraqi people since September 11th, why are'nt the media covering this with anniversys and hour long specials every year. Oh that's right they have darkish skin right.

Link?

I highly doubt that is true to be honest.

The vast majority of Iraqi people have been killed by Insurgents and general instability, not US soldiers.

El Weirdo

mossyc123 wrote: »

Link?

I highly doubt that is true to be honest.

The vast majority of Iraqi people have been killed by Insurgents and general instability, not US soldiers.

What? Like falling over?

mossyc123

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Just like in Iraq ?

Largely in Iraqi civil strife and by Al-Qaeda style thugs looking to cause mayhem.

starbelgrade

mossyc123 wrote: »

Link?

I highly doubt that is true to be honest.

The vast majority of Iraqi people have been killed by Insurgents and general instability, not US soldiers.

Is he related to General Winfield Scott?

mossyc123

starbelgrade wrote: »

Is he related to General Winfield Scott?

Generally, Generals aren't related.

Saila

Sir Niggalot wrote: »

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DAMMMN that is good! that cant be characters can it

anyway the best documentary was on RTE last night, it was 2 hours long but really worth it, so much inside info about all the players and how it played out
if you only see one watch that, its bound to be on the RTE player!

BettyBop1234

starbelgrade wrote: »

3,000 people died in the attacks, but that pales into insignificance against some of the major events of the last 10 years - the likes of the Sudan War where up to 400,000 people died, the US invasion of Iraq which has seen up to one million people die and the Congo War which saw around 4 million people killed.

Why are u comparing the deaths of innocent people?? 2 of new york's biggest buildings collapsed in the space of 1.5 hours killing 3000 innocent people who were going about their daily business. Actually most of which were fire fighters, police and paramedics who were trying to save the lives of others but ended up sacrificing their own lives. That will never pale in significance to other world events.

Poxyshamrock

castletownman wrote: »

No there isn't. It was argueably the most tragic terrorist attack ever, and while it may be over-saturated in the media, it's hard not too overlook. Certainely the most significant event of my 23 years of life, except for the fall of the Berlin Wall (which I don't remember)

+1

starbelgrade

BettyBop1234 wrote: »

Why are u comparing the deaths of innocent people??

Because world events are comparable by their scale.

By your logic, a tree falling over in Carlow and killing a passer by holds the same significance as the floods in China.

castletownman

starbelgrade wrote: »

Because world events are comparable by their scale.

By your logic, a tree falling over in Carlow and killing a passer by holds the same significance as the floods in China.

To be honest, I think she is adopting the same logic as me. That when comparing global tragedies, one can't hold deaths caused by terrorist attacks in the same light as deaths caused by war.

I don't want to be dragged into a debate on global politics or American foreign policy because I'm neither qualified on the matter nor overly interested in politics as a whole, but I will answer the OP's original question. No there isn't too much emphasis on the 9/11 anniversary.

starbelgrade

castletownman wrote: »

To be honest, I think she is adopting the same logic as me. That when comparing global tragedies, one can't hold deaths caused by terrorist attacks in the same light as deaths caused by war..

You can, because most of the deaths in large scale wars are civilian.

steelcityblues

Why is it being described as the most tragic event?

Any time an innocent person gets killed is depressing beyond belief.

the_syco

W.Shakes-Beer wrote: »

There's too many threads on 9/11 for one.

You'd think after getting hit on the 11th September, they would have had better defences on the 9th November...

du Maurier

mike65 wrote: »

11/9 you mean?

See Stewart Lee. 9th of November. He just liked to get it in coyly in a gag.

du Maurier

castletownman wrote: »

No there isn't. It was argueably the most tragic terrorist attack ever, and while it may be over-saturated in the media, it's hard not too overlook. Certainely the most significant event of my 23 years of life, except for the fall of the Berlin Wall (which I don't remember)

Arguably you do say, fair enough. It wasn't even close. As all you saw was something televised I would say. Terrorism has a very long history and it didn't start on Sky News.

starbelgrade

du Maurier wrote: »

Arguably you do say, fair enough. It wasn't even close. As all you saw was something televised I would say. Terrorism has a very long history and it didn't start on Sky News.

I saw the attacks live on Sky News. I accidentally hit the red button while I was watching & at the exact same time, the second plane hit.

To this day, I'm not entirely sure that it was a coincidence.

castletownman

du Maurier wrote: »

Arguably you do say, fair enough. It wasn't even close. As all you saw was something televised I would say. Terrorism has a very long history and it didn't start on Sky News.

I don't think the fact that it was broadcast on Sky News makes a whole lot of difference in the grand scheme of things.

starbelgrade

castletownman wrote: »

I don't think the fact that it was broadcast on Sky News makes a whole lot of difference in the grand scheme of things.

It made a huge difference. Watching aeroplanes fly into buildings & people die on live television tends to have that effect.

castletownman

So basically your saying that if it hadn't happened on live television, as big a deal wouldn't have been made about it ten years on?That it would be lesser a tragedy?

Wertz

castletownman wrote: »

While I appreciate everyone else,s different views, I don't know how one can compare the lives lost as a result of an act of terror to the lives lost in two civil wars in a war-torn continent.

Civil wars? lmao

As for too much coverage? Perhaps...but the reason it's replayed over and over again is because so much of it was caught on camera...the symbolism, the horror, the tragedy...all their from 20 different angles.
10yr anniversary is going to be an extra reason, a milestone.

Watched the BBC doc tonight about twins who lost a twin in the attacks...was a different take on it. The Falling Man is also a good doc with an interesting view of individual stroies from the day...

Of course there's others sh*t happening in the world and of course much worse has happened, but this whole thing makes good TV and that's the basic reason it gets so much showing.

starbelgrade

castletownman wrote: »

So basically your saying that if it hadn't happened on live television, as big a deal wouldn't have been made about it ten years on?That it would be lesser a tragedy?

I never said it would be less of a tragedy. But there's no denying that it if hadn't happened in a western country and on live television that it would have had the same impact as a more devastating event in a poor country without television pictures.

du Maurier

starbelgrade wrote: »

I saw the attacks live on Sky News. I accidentally hit the red button while I was watching & at the exact same time, the second plane hit.

To this day, I'm not entirely sure that it was a coincidence.

I agree with what you say, essentially. I hope this wasn't a jab though. I saw the same myself - sitting down, and watching the next one career into the tower. Shocking, really.