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Should the EU have an Opt out Referendum

  • 06-09-2011 4:08pm
    #1
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭


    With 497.481.657 ( 2008 numbers ) people living in the EU and the EU has proven not to suit all countries ( Financially or Otherwise ) .

    Should the EU hold a referendum to see if each countries population want their full independence back.



    Can a Mod add a poll

    IF there was one in Ireland how would you vote

    Yes - Ireland should opt out of the EU
    No - Ireland should stay in the EU

    If there was one in Ireland how would you vote ?? 10 votes

    Yes - Ireland should opt out of the EU
    0% 0 votes
    No - Ireland should stay in the EU
    100% 10 votes


Comments

  • #2
    Outkast_IRE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    yes but that doesnt mean its going to happen , as a matter of fact they would do everything in their power to ensure it doesnt happen


  • #3
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    Hope they don't ask for their money back. Also I assume you want to go back to the punt and devalue it; won't this cause issues in paying back debt in Euros?


  • #4
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Given that the Lisbon treaty codified the mechanisms for an individual nation to leave the EU if it wanted to what would be the point of 'the EU' holding a referendum?


  • #5
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    hooradiation wrote: »
    Given that the Lisbon treaty codified the mechanisms for an individual nation to leave the EU if it wanted to what would be the point of 'the EU' holding a referendum?


    To ask each individual EU Citizen who can vote if they want their country continuing membership in the EU


  • #6
    Snakeblood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    WIZE wrote: »
    To ask each individual EU Citizen who can vote if they want their country continuing membership in the EU

    We could just all poo in envelopes and mark them 'The EU, Brussels' and post them. When they get up to 2.3 million or so, I think they'll get the message.


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  • #7
    Saila
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    wont make the debts go away...so


  • #8
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    Saila wrote: »
    wont make the debts go away...so

    Going by some of the recent threads some people seem to think so.


  • #9
    KeithM89_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭KeithM89_old


    Poll Added


  • #10
    Saila
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    fontanalis wrote: »
    Going by some of the recent threads some people seem to think so.

    going by recent threads some people [alot actually] think 9/11 was a goverment conspiracy too ;)


  • #11
    UsernameInUse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭UsernameInUse


    The powers that be are not stupid enough to hold an EU wide vote - they know their fantasy project would crumble before their very eyes. Getting Lisbon passed (albeit by very undemocratic means) they have taken another step forward, holding a vote to leave the EU would be taking 10 steps back which just proves they have an agenda separate from the will of the European people. If they were really concerned with what the people were saying, we'd be asked this question every year.

    The people are not pro-EU, only the bureaucrats. In Britain, more than half want to remain trading partners etc without all the political class - this is possible. Ireland could leave tomorrow, maintain close links for trade but to get out of the political set-up. This would be in the interest of the Irish people - do you really think Merkal, Sarkozy or even our hardcore pro-Eu parties would ever do such a thing?


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  • #12
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    WIZE wrote: »
    To ask each individual EU Citizen who can vote if they want their country continuing membership in the EU

    To what end? What makes you think it'd actual do anything?
    Contrary to popular belief "the EU" can't really make us do anything.

    If people don't want their country to remain in the EU then they should be talking to their elected officials not calling for some bullshit EU wide referendum.
    UsernameInUse wrote: »
    Getting Lisbon passed (albeit by very undemocratic means)

    This one never gets old....


  • #13
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    UsernameInUse wrote: »
    The powers that be are not stupid enough to hold an EU wide vote - they know their fantasy project would crumble before their very eyes. Getting Lisbon passed (albeit by very undemocratic means) they have taken another step forward, holding a vote to leave the EU would be taking 10 steps back which just proves they have an agenda separate from the will of the European people. If they were really concerned with what the people were saying, we'd be asked this question every year.

    The people are not pro-EU, only the bureaucrats. In Britain, more than half want to remain trading partners etc without all the political class - this is possible. Ireland could leave tomorrow, maintain close links for trade but to get out of the political set-up. This would be in the interest of the Irish people - do you really think Merkal, Sarkozy or even our hardcore pro-Eu parties would ever do such a thing?

    I know from living in Germany the people and sick of the EU


  • #14
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    hooradiation wrote: »
    If people don't want their country to remain in the EU then they should be talking to their elected officials

    that wont work and you know it


  • #15
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    hooradiation wrote: »
    To what end? What makes you think it'd actual do anything?
    Contrary to popular belief "the EU" can't really make us do anything.

    If people don't want their country to remain in the EU then they should be talking to their elected officials not calling for some bullshit EU wide referendum.



    This one never gets old....

    No, they're for getting planning permission.


  • #16
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    WIZE wrote: »
    that wont work and you know it

    Try harder then.


  • #17
    Jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭Jam


    We were more than happy to join them when we were some piss-poor backwater that was bleeding people faster than we could make them, and it was the EC.

    No, the EU should not have an opt-out referendum, as it would just be used as a reactionary knee-jerk to blame "them" for our own mistakes. But sure, let's play it that way. Would you then blame them if they asked for asked for the return of the billions they've pumped into the state on infrastructure funding and grants?


  • #18
    7sr2z3fely84g5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭7sr2z3fely84g5


    There would probably be bedlam if we did opt to vote out,price of goods would probably go up,any subsidiaries would be scrapped,the church+gov would be able to put down their laws without fear of an eu court overruling!.


  • #19
    HalloweenJack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    I don't live in Ireland anymore so if yez want out, go for it and see how much good it'll do.

    I just hope if that happened the EU would have some sort of waiver where Irish people who want to remain part of the EU can get an EU passport, or something similar. Some of us don't hate the EU and appreciate the benefits it offers EU citizens.


  • #20
    Ruire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭Ruire


    Greenland left the EEC in 1985 and as far as I know, no one died in the process.

    If we had a referendum on withdrawing from EU treaties, they'd have no choice but to accept it. And before anyone says "lol second referendum" - that was our government's decision, not that of the Commission, Parliament, or Council.


  • #21
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,226 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    We have gotten investment for over €11.2bn from them and they do such awful things as force us to enact legislation to prevent the discharge of bacteria into ground water. Yes lets opt out before these people help us anymore.


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