sinn fein why the hatred

laoch na mona

i am shocked by how many people are anti sinn fein because of things that happend in the troubles and most of these people are ignorant of the reasons behind the troubles or what unionists and the british army did during the troubles

i am a sinn fein supporter before ye ask
please keep all replies on topic and dont be insulting(politics is about difference)

Chucky the tree

Th hatered don't just go to the troubles. I've no real problem with their past, I mean it wouldn't put me off voting for them but it's their current state that would. Having Martin Ferris pick up the McCabe killers was disgusting for me was a major black mark against them. Add in their awful economic polices and there appalling hypocriscy and there really very far down my list of parties to vote for.

sparks24

Ah the shinners, I'd vote for fina fail before that lot! Now that's an insult of the highest order and I didn't even have to curse. Why? Bescuse they are scumbags!

laoch na mona

sparks24 wrote: »

Ah the shinners, I'd vote for fina fail before that lot! Now that's an insult of the highest order and I didn't even have to curse. Why? Bescuse they are scumbags!

care to tell us why or have u no reason

Liam Byrne

What Chucky said.....and add in the fact that they refuse to even call the state by name, referring to it as "the 26 counties"

They also demand of others what they refuse to provide themselves.

Respect works both ways, so if they refuse to respect my views and associate with thugs, why should I respect theirs?

paul71

I can accept the fact that SF where the political wing of the IRA in the past given that they went through an inclusive peace process that the entire population of both sides of the border endorsed. I will not and never will accept the support that certain members of the party give to the convicted murderers of unarmed Gardai after the ceasefire.

As regards the future, I would not have any objection to SF as a political party but would not vote for them myself as they occupy a political leaning to the left of the labour party, and I find difficult enough to imagine myself supporting Labours economic stance.

laoch na mona

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Th hatered don't just go to the troubles. I've no real problem with their past, I mean it wouldn't put me off voting for them but it's their current state that would. Having Martin Ferris pick up the McCabe killers was disgusting for me was a major black mark against them. Add in their awful economic polices and there appalling hypocriscy and there really very far down my list of parties to vote for.

fair enough but look at the comment after your one the poster called them scumbags with out saying why thats what I dont understand

paul71

laoch na mona wrote: »

fair enough but look at the comment after your one the poster called them scumbags with out saying why thats what I dont understand

Perhaps he is related to Gerry McCabe, it is not imposible you know. Thats what happens when current party members support murderers and while it may not be helpful it is justified.

laoch na mona

Liam Byrne wrote: »

What Chucky said.....and add in the fact that they refuse to even call the state by name, referring to it as "the 26 counties"

They also demand of others what they refuse to provide themselves.

Respect works both ways, so if they refuse to respect my views and associate with thugs, why should I respect theirs?

ive heard party menbers say ireland they have no problem calling the state by its name
i cant tink of any views sinnfein wont accept even unionism they dont agree but they accept it

Teclo

sinn fein why the hatred

It's difficult to forget the innocents who were shown no mercy.

and most of these people are ignorant of the reasons behind the troubles or what unionists and the british army did during the troubles

They're not asking us for our votes.

spurious

I've seen too much of their unique style of 'community involvement' to ever vote for them.

laoch na mona

paul71 wrote: »

Perhaps he is related to Gerry McCabe, it is not imposible you know. Thats what happens when current party members support murderers and while it may not be helpful it is justified.

i suppose but unionists support convicted murderers aswel i just wana make that clear the shankill butchers come to mind just making a point i fully accept unionists view point

KeithAFC

I think there is plenty of reasons to hate Sinn Fein and that isn't just Loyalists. I for one will always hate them, until my last breath. I don't see why the OP is a bit baffled by this. When you have Gerry Adams as your leader, it is far easier to hate them.

I imagine many Irish people would be upset with the McCabe incident which is still hurtful to many people to this day.

LordSutch

laoch na mona wrote: »

sinn fein why the hatred

Why indeed, have you been living in a cave for the last thirty years?

laoch na mona

Teclo wrote: »

It's difficult to forget the innocents who were shown no mercy.

their committed to peace now sure you could say the same about ff

Richard Hillman

I hate them because of their extremist left wing beliefs and the fact that they complain about everything the government does just for the sake of it and not having any ideas themselves. They also come across as very snobbish and would target the working and underclasses by attacking the middle classes.

laoch na mona

KeithAFC wrote: »

I think there is plenty of reasons to hate Sinn Fein and that isn't just Loyalists. I for one will always hate them, until my last breath. I don't see why the OP is a bit baffled by this. When you have Gerry Adams as your leader, it is far easier to hate them.

i feel they same about paisly

end a eknny

so can anybody tell me how many gardai where killed by ira. and then tell me how many people have been killed at the hands of the gardai. dont f.g f.f and lab embrace the u.s and britain who are resposible for more innocent deaths than ira ever could. but sure we can ignore that and pretend it never happened. like we could pretend that 26 county goverments have not ignored the suffering of irish people in the 6 counties after they divided the country. if they acknowledged their suffering then they would have to acknowledge that they where responsible for it. hence the demonisation of the ira. nobody seems to have a problem with the killing of police in the north but they have a problem with the killing of a gardai. who realistcally where traitors fighting against the people who where giving their lives fighting for there country at least the police in the 6 counties had an excuse. they where fighting nationalists to keep themselves and their friends in power

laoch na mona

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I hate them because of their extremist left wing beliefs and the fact that they complain about everything the government does just for the sake of it and not having any ideas themselves. They also come across as very snobbish and would target the working and underclasses by attacking the middle classes.

their views aren't much more than what labour said during the last election

laoch na mona

LordSutch wrote: »

Why indeed, have you been living in a cave for the last thirty years?

no in the real rebel county Tipperary

Godge

The hardest choice I had at the last election was to choose between FF and SF as my last preference.

One has nearly destroyed the southern part of our country, the other has nearly destroyed the northern part of our country.

Garda McCabe is enough to stop any decent person from voting for SF for at least the next forty years.

doomed

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I hate them because of their extremist left wing beliefs and the fact that they complain about everything the government does just for the sake of it and not having any ideas themselves. They also come across as very snobbish and would target the working and underclasses by attacking the middle classes.

SF doesn't have left wing beliefs and some of its support probably think Karl Marx is Groucho's brother. This is about populism - its Fianna Fail with better suits and a whiff of gunpowder.

paul71

laoch na mona wrote: »

i suppose but unionists support convicted murderers aswel i just wana make that clear the shankill butchers come to mind just making a point i fully accept unionists view point

I haven't seen a unionist party ask me to vote for them, nor have I ever heard a Loyalist party support the actions of the Shankill butchers, much less either of the mainstream unionist parties.

But again I repeat that I accept the newer members of SF while not distancing themselves enough from Ferris's attitude don't appear to actively support it. There is a future for this element in politics but not from me because they are too left wing.

end a eknny

LordSutch wrote: »

Why indeed, have you been living in a cave for the last thirty years?

it would be the only safe place for a nationalist living in there ancestoral country. what with the ruc, udr , b specials, paras , uff, lvf, paf, uvf, sas, and throughout this suffering from discrimination from local goverment, authorites e.t.c. the more you think about it the more people should be grateful to sinn fein for all they have achieved despite fighting against 2 goverments. they have done great work long may it continue

paul71

end a eknny wrote: »

so can anybody tell me how many gardai where killed by ira. and then tell me how many people have been killed at the hands of the gardai. dont f.g f.f and lab embrace the u.s and britain who are resposible for more innocent deaths than ira ever could. but sure we can ignore that and pretend it never happened. like we could pretend that 26 county goverments have not ignored the suffering of irish people in the 6 counties after they divided the country. if they acknowledged their suffering then they would have to acknowledge that they where responsible for it. hence the demonisation of the ira. nobody seems to have a problem with the killing of police in the north but they have a problem with the killing of a gardai. who realistcally where traitors fighting against the people who where giving their lives fighting for there country at least the police in the 6 counties had an excuse. they where fighting nationalists to keep themselves and their friends in power

There were several but that is not the point. A member of the Dail openly supports the murderers of a policeman who served this country after the ceasefire.

paul71

laoch na mona wrote: »

i feel they same about paisly

I don't like Paisley but he never collected a murderer from prison.

KeithAFC

laoch na mona wrote: »

i feel they same about paisly

I don't like him either. Something we agree on.

end a eknny

paul71 wrote: »

There were several but that is not the point. A member of the Dail openly supports the murderers of a policeman who served this country after the ceasefire.

was it not manslaughter

Lockstep

Personally, I like a lot of what Sinn Féin say: their focus on active citizenship is very laudable for example, although I strongly disagree with their policies on things like the EU and defaulting.
I also like their stressing of community involvement. My dad was working in innery city dublin when I was growing up and it was a place riddled with drugs and addiction. People felt very isolated and scared. Sinn Féin organised strong-arm community tactics and patrols to scare off drug dealers and re-energise communities. I admire them for that.

However, I'd say the main problem with SF is for the generation before mine. My dad is a good example. He grew up in a place where he lost friends to the Cause and imprisonment and where the IRA were killers and thugs. It's very difficult to shake this mindset off. To this day, he hates Sinn Féin.

Liam Byrne

Godge wrote: »

The hardest choice I had at the last election was to choose between FF and SF as my last preference.

One has nearly destroyed the southern part of our country, the other has nearly destroyed the northern part of our country.

Garda McCabe is enough to stop any decent person from voting for SF for at least the next forty years.

What? Why did you give either of them anything?

I voted the first 5 slots and left out those I wanted nowhere near power or decision-making......it involved choosing the best from a bad lot, but I left FF & SF blank for obvious reasons.

COYW

I've have zero time for them and always will. I just cannot accept :

- a party that has the likes of Adams and McGuinness at the helm.

- their economic "policies" and that failed engineer and Danny Dyer look-a-like who trots them out on request.

- their publicity grabbing news bites which have little chance of succeeding or even being implemented in the current climate. (united ireland referendum and bringing back the xmas bonus for people on the dole, for example)

- their horrible petty stanch during the visit of Queen Elizabeth II.

- a party who when questioned at the door during canvassing are so beyond inept when it comes to answering questions, that they instantly resort to blaming the previous administration.

paul71

Unarmed, sitting in a stopped car, gun pointed, trigger pulled, I don't care what the court called it, it was cold brutal murder.

woodoo

KeithAFC wrote: »

I don't like him either. Something we agree on.

What? I thought Paisley was the high king of unionism?

angelfire9

Why do I hate Sinn Fein?
Oh..... SO MANY Reasons:


1) Jerry Mc Cabe, their initial denial of involvement followed quickly by pleading for early release under the GFA and Ferris' picking them up at Castlerea just added insult to injury
2) Jean Mc Conville... it took over 30 years for her family to give the woman a decent burial (regardless of whether you think she deserved to die or not 30 years is too long to bury the woman)
3) The forgotten... how many IRA victims are still waiting for Christian burials?
4) Tim Parry... remember him? http://www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/articles/10888/1/Big-boost-for-peace-foundation/Page1.html
5) Johnathan Ball (See above)
6) Enniskillen should be self explanatory
7) Leggykelly another garda killed
8) Don Tidey yet another garda killed & a soldier if i remember correctly
9) Shankill Road Fish Shop... more civilian casualties

Non political reasons:
1) Their "economic policy" is a joke
2) Gerry Adams is a plonker
3) Hate the way the hold "commemorations" on the graves of those who died in 1922 and claim them as "IRA members" http://homepage.eircom.net/~eirenua/may98/saoirse3.htm (i am related to one of the persons mentioned in this article and my family abhor the way SF insist on holding their bloody wreath laying cermonies when our family DO NOT support SF!) :mad:

Richard Hillman

I remember during the Celtic Tiger they wanted the dole to be raised to €300 :pac:

angelfire9

end a eknny wrote: »

so can anybody tell me how many gardai where killed by ira. and then tell me how many people have been killed at the hands of the gardai. dont f.g f.f and lab embrace the u.s and britain who are resposible for more innocent deaths than ira ever could. but sure we can ignore that and pretend it never happened. like we could pretend that 26 county goverments have not ignored the suffering of irish people in the 6 counties after they divided the country. if they acknowledged their suffering then they would have to acknowledge that they where responsible for it. hence the demonisation of the ira. nobody seems to have a problem with the killing of police in the north but they have a problem with the killing of a gardai. who realistcally where traitors fighting against the people who where giving their lives fighting for there country at least the police in the 6 counties had an excuse. they where fighting nationalists to keep themselves and their friends in power

I can count 3 Gardai killed by the IRA
1) Detective Garda Jerry Mc Cabe
2) Inspector Sam Donegan (my father was stationed in Cavan when this one happened so there but for the grace of God go I)
3) Garda Recruit Gary Sheehan

How many people have been "killed" at the hands of the Gardai?
John Carthy??? (and he was waving a gun at them at the time)

Het-Field

Lockstep wrote: »

Personally, I like a lot of what Sinn Féin say: their focus on active citizenship is very laudable for example, although I strongly disagree with their policies on things like the EU and defaulting.
I also like their stressing of community involvement. My dad was working in innery city dublin when I was growing up and it was a place riddled with drugs and addiction. People felt very isolated and scared. Sinn Féin organised strong-arm community tactics and patrols to scare off drug dealers and re-energise communities. I admire them for that.

However, I'd say the main problem with SF is for the generation before mine. My dad is a good example. He grew up in a place where he lost friends to the Cause and imprisonment and where the IRA were killers and thugs. It's very difficult to shake this mindset off. To this day, he hates Sinn Féin.

Remember Josie O'Dwyer? Those "strong arm tactics" were a real success. Small Time dealer, allegedly to feed his own habit was beaten to death by that sort of campaign. I would be no fan of drug dealers of any magnitude, but the old Concerned Parents got their pound of flesh with somebody who was nowhere near a kingpin.

Profiler

end a eknny wrote: »

it would be the only safe place for a nationalist living in there ancestoral country. what with the ruc, udr , b specials, paras , uff, lvf, paf, uvf, sas, and throughout this suffering from discrimination from local goverment, authorites e.t.c. the more you think about it the more people should be grateful to sinn fein for all they have achieved despite fighting against 2 goverments. they have done great work long may it continue

The only safe place for a nationalist living in their ancestral country? as for the diatribe that followed? give the amateur dramatics a rest.

The more you think about it the less you clearly see.

The more those of us who see through the propaganda think about it, the more we see that there is nothing of any substance once you get past the propaganda.

Gerry Adams went into the last election campaign, fighting on a card of trying to help the Border constiunecy and didn't even know what VAT rate was.

SF's economic policy at the last general election was a joke. They said they'd jump start the economy with a stimulus package, they'd inject €6b into the economy. When asked were they were going to magic that €6b from.... we got silence.

They at least acknowledged that their previous stated policy of raising the corporate tax rate was wrong and was going to drive the Intels/Googles/IFSC Companies out of the country.

The problem with SF is on the one hand they deny they are the left hand to the IRA's bloodstained right hand, yet they then claim a significant contribution to the peace process... I'm not saying they didn't contribute to the peace process, they did, SF put down their guns and put away their Semtex... that helped a great deal.

SF are not to be trusted, the same crooks that murdered, dealt drugs, petrol laundered and extorted money by menace are now claiming to be legitimate politicians.

jaykay74

Profiler wrote: »

Gerry Adams went into the last election campaign, fighting on a card of trying to help the Border constiunecy and didn't even know what VAT rate was.

Never heard that one. Talk about clueless

Liam Byrne

paul71 wrote: »

Unarmed, sitting in a stopped car, gun pointed, trigger pulled, I don't care what the court called it, it was cold brutal murder.

IIRC The State unfortunately had to make do with getting them off the streets via this route because key witnesses - er - "refused" to testify, making the proper charge a risky prospect.

Tough call - if someone does a murder they should be charged as such, but unfortunately the State has to choose beforehand and run with that; what should happen is that the full charge should be brought but if the case isn't made for the full charge then the lesser should still be an option.

RMD

My dislike has nothing to do with their past, they're the only group of Republicans who I'll even acknowledge due to finally renouncing violence and accepting democratic processes.

My dislike of them is purely down to their policies are generally idiotic and unrealistic while they're also quite often a moany bunch of bastards.

end a eknny

angelfire9 wrote: »

I can count 3 Gardai killed by the IRA
1) Detective Garda Jerry Mc Cabe
2) Inspector Sam Donegan (my father was stationed in Cavan when this one happened so there but for the grace of God go I)
3) Garda Recruit Gary Sheehan

How many people have been "killed" at the hands of the Gardai?
John Carthy??? (and he was waving a gun at them at the time)

there was a awful lot more who where shot by the gardai not to mention how many died mysteriously in custody. how many gardai where shot by
fellow gardai by mistake. the gardai where paid to protect the irish people and yet the ira where volunteers who actually defended the irish people many who died while doing so

paul71

While I agree with the sentiment of your post Profiler, you do need to be aware of that fact that SF or the IRA did not deal in drugs. I prefer to get the agruements against them on a solid factual basis. Everything else you said was correct.

CrackisWhack

For the people criticising their economic policies? do you condone how the current government have handled the financial crisis? bail-out of bondholders at the taxpayers expense? Vote yes for Lisbon, vote yes for jobs etc.

Infact I think they were the only party along with a few independents that had my interests (ie the average Joe Soap) at heart.

Het-Field

CrackisWhack wrote: »

For the people criticising their economic policies? do you condone how the current government have handled the financial crisis? bail-out of bondholders at the taxpayers expense? Vote yes for Lisbon, vote yes for jobs etc.

Infact I think they were the only party along with a few independents that had my interests (ie the average Joe Soap) at heart.

Very easy from opposition to have the "best interests at heart". It is no more than populist rhetoric, to appease the masses, who they believe are inherently selfish, and conservative vis-a-vis their own wallets. Their viewpoint and their rhetoric is insulting.

angelfire9

end a eknny wrote: »

there was a awful lot more who where shot by the gardai not to mention how many died mysteriously in custody. how many gardai where shot by
fellow gardai by mistake. the gardai where paid to protect the irish people and yet the ira where volunteers who actually defended the irish people many who died while doing so

What???????????????? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Liam Byrne

CrackisWhack wrote: »

Infact I think they were the only party along with a few independents that had my interests (ie the average Joe Soap) at heart.

I'm an average Joe Soap and I've never heard SF have my interests at heart.

Then again, my interests don't allow for murder or double-speak.

jazyguy

1 Jerry McCabe
2 Economic policies
3 In my area real scum are the mainstay of the party
4 Martin ferris and the carry on of his family. I am origionally from Tralee
5 where I live now in the north west the mansions of people who are/were involved with the IRA/Sinn fein with no obvious proof of earnings
6 The fact that id be embarased if any person from that party spoke publicly for us on tv in europe
I could go on and on and on......................

paul71

end a eknny wrote: »

there was a awful lot more who where shot by the gardai not to mention how many died mysteriously in custody. how many gardai where shot by
fellow gardai by mistake. the gardai where paid to protect the irish people and yet the ira where volunteers who actually defended the irish people many who died while doing so

The IRA never protected me from anything, I never asked them to, and there was nothing to protect me from with the exception of the IRA themselves. On the other hand Gerry McCabe died protecting me from a lawless society.

Godge

paul71 wrote: »

While I agree with the sentiment of your post Profiler, you do need to be aware of that fact that SF or the IRA did not deal in drugs. I prefer to get the agruements against them on a solid factual basis. Everything else you said was correct.

What did the Colombians pay for the guns with? Get real, the IRA were very clever at disguising their drug dealing. They got involved at the international and wholesale end and could use their local vigilantes to ensure that rival gangs were taken out of it under the guise of supporting the community. One of the biggest hypocricies of the last thirty years.

KeithAFC

woodoo wrote: »

What? I thought Paisley was the high king of unionism?

No. I don't consider him to be the high king of unionism.