Did today live up to what was expected?

longpuck

Did it? I taught there was a every flat feel to the game today compared to the last 2 years. Even the commentators or fans didn't seem overly excited

teednab-el

longpuck wrote: »

Did it? I taught there was a every flat feel to the game today compared to the last 2 years. Even the commentators or fans didn't seem overly excited

I was surprised at Tipp that there wasnt a more firey element to their play like the last two years,. I thought Kilkenny bossed them around physically too which didnt happen the last two years. Definately the poorest of the three finals.

ReacherCreature

longpuck wrote: »

Did it? I taught there was a every flat feel to the game today compared to the last 2 years. Even the commentators or fans didn't seem overly excited

Simply: no for three reasons. 1) Enormous expectations. Many posters on this forum were expecting a battle for the ages, a story to be handed down generations. A classic was looked for. When you've these sky-high expectations, you might as well be looking for your wildest dreams. 2) Last year's game was of a high standard. The hype, "will Shefflin play?" was like nothing ever seen before. As well, the five in a row, all eyes were on the match to see what would have happened. Then the match itself, a flurry of goals, Corbett and co. dominating and the somewhat unexpected Tipperary win. Replicating that standard was and will be extremely difficult. 3) Simply, in the first half, I felt Tipperary didn't show up. That already negated the impact. Although Kilkenny didn't show up at the beginning of last years they came into it like Tipp did today.

Whether it was my TV's volume or not, I thought the commentators were fine, they were passionate. When Kilkenny scored points, I could hear the crowd shout and roar.

Brian017

Sadly, no. However, we're probably comparing it to '09 and 10 which is a bit unfair. It was still a reasonably good game in its own right

The_Kew_Tour

Simple answer no. Was not first and wont be last.. Dont think Cody or Kilkenny will give two fcuks either..

Best team won thats all matters

Stevecw

It was nowhere near as good as last 2 years, but was still a decent game and with a min or so to go only a puck of the ball in it.
We were spoiled by 2 of the all time classics in 2009 & 2010 with these 2, pity today didn't live up to that but was still not bad.

Derfil

Unfortunately Tipp were way off the pace. Kilkenny not great either. I'd say they played better last year and lost which shows the drop in standard from both teams. Tipp forwards were just blown away except for Bonner Maher.

homerjay2005

first 50 minutes were poor imo, only one team in it.

Stinicker

Today was just another day in the epilogue on the tombstone of Hurling. Hurling is not the most popular Irish sport, the All-Ireland Hurling Final is not the premier Irish sporting event. Soccer and Rugby combined have a greater following and more people joining the game than Hurling. It is a dying sport and Kilkennys utter dominance against weak teams is a testament to this.

Todays result means nothing other that something we knew all along, Hurling is dying and Kilkenny dominance has killed it off for a generation of young people, it will never reach its peak again, the GAA have tried hard and failed miserably to preserve the sport yet once again today result proves unless you come from Kilkenny the sport is nothing other than a novelty.

Cork City once a strong hold of Hurling is now essentially dead, City clubs aren't even winning the championship anymore. Hurling in Dublin is surviving through sheer weight of numbers having a third of the population of Ireland living there. Hurling in Limerick is dying and Munster Rugby are the heroes for a generation of children, soccer in Dublin and Cork has made large inroads also.

In Kerry football thrives due to tradition, more than enough wins to keep the interest and due to the inability of Rugby and Soccer to organise properly, despite this Hurling also thrives in the North and South East of the County where generations of not being good enough in football has seen the clubs focus primarily on Hurling to allow players to win something and keep the interest.

In Kilkenny only one sport is ever focused on and they have reaped the rewards of it, meanwhile their sport is dying and their county's domination is hastening its death.

In two weeks time we have a third of Ireland against Kerry in the football our national sport which has seen countless generations of young people join the sport, it continues to thrive and Dublin's appearance in the final this year proves how successful the sport is.

Well done Kilkenny, your team have proven you are the best, however when you are up against nothing and have to play two hard games a year it is easy to win the so called "All-Ireland". I suggest that for the GAA to try resurrect and promote the game that next years Championship be the last and let Kilkenny claim the Liam McCarthy outright. A greater club championship system can prevail through Ireland ignoring the county lines (which were a system drawn up by British army sappers) for a new competition and the Liam McCarthy trophy can be played for amongst the Kilkenny clubs.

So yes today lived up to everything I expected and was another chisel mark on the headstone over the grave of hurling.

LFC5Times

I went as neutral and it didn't live up to my expectations mainly because Kilkenny where superior for the whole game pretty much.

When Tipp got their goal I was hoping they might get closer but it wasn't to be.

Kilkenny I felt also wanted it more out there.

aidan24326

First half was disappointing but I thought the second half came to life a good bit more.

After the epic battles of the last two years this one was never likely to live up to the same quality.

Hats off to Kilkenny though, they're a superb team and have raised the bar very very high.


@stinicker

Hurling is not dead at all, it's still strong in most of the same areas it always was, and Dublin's addition to the top table is welcome. Over the last few years Kilkenny have simply taken the game to another level. That won't last forever though and the chasing pack will catch up with them soon enough.

Cork will be back in due course you can be sure, Tipp are a young team with a big future, Dublin are emerging as a force and getting there bit by bit, while Gslway will surely find the right formula one of these days.

teednab-el

aidan24326 wrote: »

First half was disappointing but I thought the second half came to life a good bit more.

After the epic battles of the last two years this one was never likely to live up to the same quality.

Hats off to Kilkenny though, they're a superb team and have raised the bar very very high.


@stinicker

Hurling is not dead at all, it's still strong in most of the same areas it always was, and Dublin's addition to the top table is welcome. Over the last few years Kilkenny have simply taken the game to another level. That won't last forever though and the chasing pack will catch up with them soon enough.

Cork will be back in due course you can be sure, Tipp are a young team with a big future, Dublin are emerging as a force and getting there bit by bit, while Gslway will surely find the right formula one of these days.

I'm surprised you had to take the contribution of a Kerryman so seriously, he wouldnt know a hurley from his a*se.

Anyway I agree with your post but not to forget Waterford should be given credit as well, they tried very hard in the last few years but were beaten by superior teams Kilkenny and Tipp. They are not far off from an All Ireland in my view. Also Cork have so much to do before they can even compete at this level. Hopefully JBM can address and focus on this.

Pride Fighter

teednab-el wrote: »

I'm surprised you had to take the contribution of a Kerryman so seriously, he wouldnt know a hurley from his a*se.

Anyway I agree with your post but not to forget Waterford should be given credit as well, they tried very hard in the last few years but were beaten by superior teams Kilkenny and Tipp. They are not far off from an All Ireland in my view. Also Cork have so much to do before they can even compete at this level. Hopefully JBM can address and focus on this.

Edit the bit in bold or you'll get an infraction. Mod warning. Do not attack other posters!!!

MisterAnarchy

Stinicker wrote: »

In two weeks time we have a third of Ireland against Kerry in the football our national sport which has seen countless generations of young people join the sport, it continues to thrive and Dublin's appearance in the final this year proves how successful the sport is.

Ah now,come off it.
The standard of Gaelic football is truly appalling,it has been deteriorating rapidly over the last decade.
Its a joke of a sport ,completely bastardised ,more like a cross between basketball and rugby than football.
A poor and geriatric Kerry team will most likely win the All Ireland despite only reaching 3rd gear all season ,that says it all .

Give me a game of hurling any day,far more skillful and exciting sport.

Stinicker

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Ah now,come off it.
The standard of Gaelic football is truly appalling,it has been deteriorating rapidly over the last decade.
Its a joke of a sport ,completely bastardised ,more like a cross between basketball and rugby than football.
A poor and geriatric Kerry team will most likely win the All Ireland despite only reaching 3rd gear all season ,that says it all .

Give me a game of hurling any day,far more skillful and exciting sport.

I don't want to get into a debate on the standard of football, however more counties have enoyed success in recent years in the sport of football, differing counties are reaching the final year in year out, ok Kerry have won more than our fair share but it has not come down to the predictable affair hurling has become.

Gaelic Football is a unique sport and if you ask me it takes the best elements of all three sports and I would rather watch it than anything else. More people play Soccer and Rugby combined than Hurling and this gap will only increase with time.

I enjoy Hurling to watch it is so fast and skillful, however watching the same team win it almost every year has killed it for me as a competition, where is the excitement in having one team dominate always? Kerry have lost the same amount of matches in the same time as Kilkenny have won All-Irelands.

jive

Stinicker wrote: »

I enjoy Hurling to watch it is so fast and skillful, however watching the same team win it almost every year has killed it for me as a competition, where is the excitement in having one team dominate always? Kerry have lost the same amount of matches in the same time as Kilkenny have won All-Irelands.

Kerry have been in 7 of the last 8 all ireland finals.

Since 2003 there have been 3 different winners of the football championship. There were also 3 different winners of the hurling championship.

I'm not saying that KK aren't dominating hurling but the grass isn't always greener on the other side. The football over the last number of years has been a mish mash of Tyrone/Kerry/Cork and the hurling has been KK/Tipp/Cork with more recently Tipp and KK ahead of the rest of the pack.

I thought it was a really good match today considering the conditions. It was a high intensity throughout and both teams really went at it. If I could say the same for the football in 2 weeks time I'd be happy as I usually head up every year. I think Kerry will have more than just the edge though and will walk it more so than KK did today.

Also you say hurling has become a predictable affair. Tipp were the favourites today so go figure.

MisterAnarchy

Stinicker wrote: »

I don't want to get into a debate on the standard of football, however more counties have enoyed success in recent years in the sport of football, differing counties are reaching the final year in year out, ok Kerry have won more than our fair share but it has not come down to the predictable affair hurling has become.

Gaelic Football is a unique sport and if you ask me it takes the best elements of all three sports and I would rather watch it than anything else. More people play Soccer and Rugby combined than Hurling and this gap will only increase with time.

I enjoy Hurling to watch it is so fast and skillful, however watching the same team win it almost every year has killed it for me as a competition, where is the excitement in having one team dominate always? Kerry have lost the same amount of matches in the same time as Kilkenny have won All-Irelands.

The reason more teams have done better in football in latter years is due to higher fitness levels ,the popularity of more negative swarm tactics and a severe drop in standards .
The standard of intercounty football is very poor ,it may be competitive and more unpredictable than hurling but that does not make it better .
Hurling is a more skillful sport whereas most modern footballers are just big and strong with a few quality players per team.
I cant watch football anymore ,its been ruined by handpassing ,persistant fouling and lack of skill.

I do agree with you when you say hurling has become predictable and the GAA have played a big part in that by allowing Cody and Kilkenny push the physical side of the game well beyond the rules and appointing dubious referees in key matches over the last 6 years.

bassy

i guess you don,t like darts either then,cause phil taylor wins everything.
thing is if the other players or teams can,t reachh kk,s heights its boring to you :rolleyes:

Stinicker wrote: »

I don't want to get into a debate on the standard of football, however more counties have enoyed success in recent years in the sport of football, differing counties are reaching the final year in year out, ok Kerry have won more than our fair share but it has not come down to the predictable affair hurling has become.

Gaelic Football is a unique sport and if you ask me it takes the best elements of all three sports and I would rather watch it than anything else. More people play Soccer and Rugby combined than Hurling and this gap will only increase with time.

I enjoy Hurling to watch it is so fast and skillful, however watching the same team win it almost every year has killed it for me as a competition, where is the excitement in having one team dominate always? Kerry have lost the same amount of matches in the same time as Kilkenny have won All-Irelands.

ft9

longpuck wrote: »

Did it? I taught there was a every flat feel to the game today compared to the last 2 years. Even the commentators or fans didn't seem overly excited

Lived up to everything expected, thanks!

buck65

As a neutral at the game I agree that the game had a flat feel to it. For me the result was never in doubt as Kilkenny dominated the half back and midfield areas rendering the Tipp full forward line redundant.
On leaving the ground I noticed that the Kilkenny fans weren't too excited and the atmosphere for the most part was subdued. Maybe endless All Irelands does that to a county.
The game itself was okay for the most part. I think at this stage it would be great to see new teams stepping up and being in the final. Hurling needs new blood.
Game wasn't even a sell out!

Thud

contrary to what the papers say i think the ref stopped the game too many times yesterday, particularly in the first half. he didn't play advantage enough, gave some debatable frees to Tipp as though he was trying to even things up a bit and then took 5 minutes to get his nose taped up, the place was dead after that

longpuck

Stinicker wrote: »

Today was just another day in the epilogue on the tombstone of Hurling. Hurling is not the most popular Irish sport, the All-Ireland Hurling Final is not the premier Irish sporting event. Soccer and Rugby combined have a greater following and more people joining the game than Hurling. It is a dying sport and Kilkennys utter dominance against weak teams is a testament to this.

Todays result means nothing other that something we knew all along, Hurling is dying and Kilkenny dominance has killed it off for a generation of young people, it will never reach its peak again, the GAA have tried hard and failed miserably to preserve the sport yet once again today result proves unless you come from Kilkenny the sport is nothing other than a novelty.

Cork City once a strong hold of Hurling is now essentially dead, City clubs aren't even winning the championship anymore. Hurling in Dublin is surviving through sheer weight of numbers having a third of the population of Ireland living there. Hurling in Limerick is dying and Munster Rugby are the heroes for a generation of children, soccer in Dublin and Cork has made large inroads also.

In Kerry football thrives due to tradition, more than enough wins to keep the interest and due to the inability of Rugby and Soccer to organise properly, despite this Hurling also thrives in the North and South East of the County where generations of not being good enough in football has seen the clubs focus primarily on Hurling to allow players to win something and keep the interest.

In Kilkenny only one sport is ever focused on and they have reaped the rewards of it, meanwhile their sport is dying and their county's domination is hastening its death.

In two weeks time we have a third of Ireland against Kerry in the football our national sport which has seen countless generations of young people join the sport, it continues to thrive and Dublin's appearance in the final this year proves how successful the sport is.

Well done Kilkenny, your team have proven you are the best, however when you are up against nothing and have to play two hard games a year it is easy to win the so called "All-Ireland". I suggest that for the GAA to try resurrect and promote the game that next years Championship be the last and let Kilkenny claim the Liam McCarthy outright. A greater club championship system can prevail through Ireland ignoring the county lines (which were a system drawn up by British army sappers) for a new competition and the Liam McCarthy trophy can be played for amongst the Kilkenny clubs.

So yes today lived up to everything I expected and was another chisel mark on the headstone over the grave of hurling.

Good point about Cork City hurling. The big 3 of The Glen, The Barrs and Blackrock have won maybe 5/6 county championships between then in the last 20 years! The Glen seem to be coming again but the other 2 have been poor for a few years now. Seen the Cork minor them this year and none of the 3 had any players on the team. Even on the seinor team its been a wile since a Blackrock man was on the team that i can think of.

In Kerry hurling seems to be picking up outside of North Kerry, Dr Crokes have been putting in good work in an all football area, can only be good for the game to have more teams

dastardly00

Stinicker wrote: »

Today was just another day in the epilogue on the tombstone of Hurling. Hurling is not the most popular Irish sport, the All-Ireland Hurling Final is not the premier Irish sporting event. Soccer and Rugby combined have a greater following and more people joining the game than Hurling. It is a dying sport and Kilkennys utter dominance against weak teams is a testament to this.

Todays result means nothing other that something we knew all along, Hurling is dying and Kilkenny dominance has killed it off for a generation of young people, it will never reach its peak again, the GAA have tried hard and failed miserably to preserve the sport yet once again today result proves unless you come from Kilkenny the sport is nothing other than a novelty.

Cork City once a strong hold of Hurling is now essentially dead, City clubs aren't even winning the championship anymore. Hurling in Dublin is surviving through sheer weight of numbers having a third of the population of Ireland living there. Hurling in Limerick is dying and Munster Rugby are the heroes for a generation of children, soccer in Dublin and Cork has made large inroads also.

In Kerry football thrives due to tradition, more than enough wins to keep the interest and due to the inability of Rugby and Soccer to organise properly, despite this Hurling also thrives in the North and South East of the County where generations of not being good enough in football has seen the clubs focus primarily on Hurling to allow players to win something and keep the interest.

In Kilkenny only one sport is ever focused on and they have reaped the rewards of it, meanwhile their sport is dying and their county's domination is hastening its death.

In two weeks time we have a third of Ireland against Kerry in the football our national sport which has seen countless generations of young people join the sport, it continues to thrive and Dublin's appearance in the final this year proves how successful the sport is.

Well done Kilkenny, your team have proven you are the best, however when you are up against nothing and have to play two hard games a year it is easy to win the so called "All-Ireland". I suggest that for the GAA to try resurrect and promote the game that next years Championship be the last and let Kilkenny claim the Liam McCarthy outright. A greater club championship system can prevail through Ireland ignoring the county lines (which were a system drawn up by British army sappers) for a new competition and the Liam McCarthy trophy can be played for amongst the Kilkenny clubs.

So yes today lived up to everything I expected and was another chisel mark on the headstone over the grave of hurling.

This post is even worse than the rubbish you wrote in the original All-Ireland Final thread (the one that you derailed and that subsequently had to be locked).

D'Agger

Really enjoyed the game yesterday because I was rooting for Kilkenny but honestly with regard to the physicality of the game and tempo - it was immense.

The only thing that marred it was that it came down to scrappy ball more often than not - Kilkenny turned it into a scrap - and they came out on top more often than not in those skermishes.

Hard luck to Tipp but for me I enjoyed this final more than the last two as the story behind it was great - Kilkenny exacting revenge for having their place in history taken by Tipp last year.

You couldn't write it!

buck65

You could write it but personally I would add a few other teams into it to make it more interesting. And maybe a Brian Cody love interest?

Dangerous Man

It was an excellent game. Not a classic but still very entertaining.

D'Agger

buck65 wrote: »

You could write it but personally I would add a few other teams into it to make it more interesting. And maybe a Brian Cody love interest?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBk1yypLfw4

hunter164

Yesterday was a day for tactics more than out and out hurling. Kilkenny employed a tactic and it paid off, Tipp forwards barely seen a ball. They're tackling throughout the field was ferocious as was their stamina. The whole team was flat out for 70 minutes and they truly deserved the win.

Cody's one cute huer

Warper

Stinicker wrote: »

Today was just another day in the epilogue on the tombstone of Hurling. Hurling is not the most popular Irish sport, the All-Ireland Hurling Final is not the premier Irish sporting event. Soccer and Rugby combined have a greater following and more people joining the game than Hurling. It is a dying sport and Kilkennys utter dominance against weak teams is a testament to this.

Todays result means nothing other that something we knew all along, Hurling is dying and Kilkenny dominance has killed it off for a generation of young people, it will never reach its peak again, the GAA have tried hard and failed miserably to preserve the sport yet once again today result proves unless you come from Kilkenny the sport is nothing other than a novelty.

Cork City once a strong hold of Hurling is now essentially dead, City clubs aren't even winning the championship anymore. Hurling in Dublin is surviving through sheer weight of numbers having a third of the population of Ireland living there. Hurling in Limerick is dying and Munster Rugby are the heroes for a generation of children, soccer in Dublin and Cork has made large inroads also.

In Kerry football thrives due to tradition, more than enough wins to keep the interest and due to the inability of Rugby and Soccer to organise properly, despite this Hurling also thrives in the North and South East of the County where generations of not being good enough in football has seen the clubs focus primarily on Hurling to allow players to win something and keep the interest.

In Kilkenny only one sport is ever focused on and they have reaped the rewards of it, meanwhile their sport is dying and their county's domination is hastening its death.

In two weeks time we have a third of Ireland against Kerry in the football our national sport which has seen countless generations of young people join the sport, it continues to thrive and Dublin's appearance in the final this year proves how successful the sport is.

Well done Kilkenny, your team have proven you are the best, however when you are up against nothing and have to play two hard games a year it is easy to win the so called "All-Ireland". I suggest that for the GAA to try resurrect and promote the game that next years Championship be the last and let Kilkenny claim the Liam McCarthy outright. A greater club championship system can prevail through Ireland ignoring the county lines (which were a system drawn up by British army sappers) for a new competition and the Liam McCarthy trophy can be played for amongst the Kilkenny clubs.

So yes today lived up to everything I expected and was another chisel mark on the headstone over the grave of hurling.

Hurling is far from dying - it is the greatest sport we have and the AI hurling final is a marvellous occasion. It is a much faster and more skillful game than football. Football is all about being fit and physical - look at Donegal last week and see what football has become. It is now handball with pulling and dragging with every man behind the ball. You say KK have 2 hard games a year, tell me how many hard games did Kerry have this year and how easy it is for them to get to the final every year, winning every second year.

Anyone can play a decent game of football but it takes true skill to play a decent game of hurling.

riffmongous

Stinicker wrote: »

Today was just another day in the epilogue on the tombstone of Hurling. Hurling is not the most popular Irish sport, the All-Ireland Hurling Final is not the premier Irish sporting event. Soccer and Rugby combined have a greater following and more people joining the game than Hurling. It is a dying sport and Kilkennys utter dominance against weak teams is a testament to this.

Todays result means nothing other that something we knew all along, Hurling is dying and Kilkenny dominance has killed it off for a generation of young people, it will never reach its peak again, the GAA have tried hard and failed miserably to preserve the sport yet once again today result proves unless you come from Kilkenny the sport is nothing other than a novelty.
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RTE wrote:

Sunday's All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship final attracted the second highest ever viewership for an All Ireland Hurling Final, peaking at 1.1million viewers in the final minutes of the match as Kilkenny won out against Tipperary.

An average audience of 971,000 viewers tuned in to the gripping game from throw-in to final whistle on RTÉ's The Sunday Game Live.

As the Cats battled to secure their fifth title in six years, 866,000 people tuned in for full coverage of the game including analysis and reviews with RTÉ's panelists Cyril Farrell, Liam Sheedy and Tomás Mulcahy.

RTÉ's coverage of the All-Ireland Senior Hurling final ranks as the highest rating sports event on television this year to-date and attracted the fifth highest audience of any programme this year in Ireland.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2011/0905/hurling_kilkenny_tipperary.html

ondeball

ft9 wrote: »

Lived up to everything expected, thanks!

Thought it was more like the All-Ireland Final in 2006 to be honest.

Cody is such a good manager that when the chip are down he can motivate his team to crush the opposition out of the game.

What odds on them winning the next couple of All-Ireland now that the younger lads will be able to apply their high skills levels with this intensity. It scares me.