100% of the diplomatic cables have been released!

Broads.ie

Wahey!

Or has everybody forgotten about it?

http://www.cablegatesearch.net/overview.php

NothingMan

what is this I don't even.

SEPT 23 1989

So Harney DID eat all the pies!

El Weirdo

Why, oh why do they have to tack "-gate" onto the name of everything even mildly controversial?

Manic Moran

Broads.ie wrote: »

Wahey!

Or has everybody forgotten about it?

http://www.cablegatesearch.net/overview.php

Frankly, yes. The "drip" was stupid, and 99.99% of it was utterly uninteresting.

NTM

ronaneire

Thank crunchie it's friday

Broads.ie

Manic Moran wrote: »

Frankly, yes. The "drip" was stupid, and 99.99% of it was utterly uninteresting.

NTM

You've read 99.9% of the cables? Wow.

Wossack

dontcaregate

baldbear

El Weirdo wrote: »

Why, oh why do they have to tack "-gate" onto the name of everything even mildly controversial?

Tony Cascarino in holocaustgate shocker!:P

starbelgrade

El Weirdo wrote: »

Why, oh why do they have to tack "-gate" onto the name of everything even mildly controversial?

There's a conspiracy theory behind that - it's known as "Mildly Controversialgate".

dlofnep

The official site has no updates for a few days?

Nodin

Apparently, and for reasons unknown, Assange has released them unredacted. The prick.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/sep/02/wikileaks-publishes-cache-unredacted-cables

mikemac

Former media partners condemn WikiLeaks' decision to make public documents identifying activists and whistleblowers

Did he not learn from last time?
How many informants in Afghanistan are now going to be taken by the Taliban and tortured to death

Assange cares more about his fame and ego then lives lost and protecting sources

Nodin

mikemac wrote: »

Did he not learn from last time?
How many informants in Afghanistan are now going to be taken by the Taliban and tortured to death

Assange cares more about his fame and ego then lives lost and protecting sources

Well whatever doubts their might have been, the jury has certainly come back now.

Alan b.

they should just assassinate him and be done with it.

dlofnep

Nodin wrote: »

Apparently, and for reasons unknown, Assange has released them unredacted. The prick.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/sep/02/wikileaks-publishes-cache-unredacted-cables

Yeah, that's bang out of order. They did well up until now.

Nodin

dlofnep wrote: »

Yeah, that's bang out of order. They did well up until now.

There didn't seem to be much new in the Irish section. Shannon, something about blocking a hezbollah tv channell (al-manar)....I just looked at the ones marked "secret" that were of interest. Might be something funny in "confidential" but I haven't the patience.

prinz

My ol' mate Julian trying to keep himself important at the expense of anyone/everyone else. Never saw that coming at all, at all.

Irish Slaves for Europe

i cant find anything interesting in the irish section either, i guess any sensitive info would never be sent in cables

humanji

Nodin wrote: »

Apparently, and for reasons unknown, Assange has released them unredacted. The prick.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/sep/02/wikileaks-publishes-cache-unredacted-cables

There was a BBC program about him and Wikileaks a while ago and they interviewed former friends who went into detail about how much of a sociopath Assange was. And one of the editors of the Guardian spoke of the meeting where they wanted to go through the cables to redact any info that could bring harm onto people. Assange was reported to say "F*ck them. They're informers. They deserve to die." Sadly, the irony was lost on him.

prinz

I'll stand over my comments of eight odd months ago.. Assange's personality traits were well known back then but many people chose to ignore the man in favour of wikileaks...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69428352&postcount=269

Seems some of the thankers of that post have come round to see the man the same way I always saw him, interested only in himself.

discus

He's a sick, twisted individual.

Manic Moran

Broads.ie wrote: »

You've read 99.9% of the cables? Wow.

Didn't need to. The .1% which was interesting has been posted up on various boards or blog sites. I know how much was considered interesting enough to provoke discussion, so by extension, the rest was not.

NTM

Biggins

This one might cause some trouble: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/american-soldiers-executed-iraqi-children-wikileaks-2864993.html

American soldiers executed Iraqi children - WikiLeaks

More than five years after the US military denied claims that its troops had executed at least 10 Iraqi civilians in cold blood, new evidence has emerged in a WikiLeaks diplomatic cable casting serious doubt on the US version of events.

A UN complaint contained in the latest batch of cables published by the whistle-blowing organisation suggests that in 2006 US troops killed at least 10 civilians, including five children and an elderly woman, in the central town of Ishaqi before ordering an air strike which destroyed the house where the alleged killings took place.

The incident is raised in a letter from Philip Alston, the UN rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions. Mr Alston's letter to US officials, which went unanswered, challenges the American military version of events. It says that autopsies carried out in the nearby city of Tikrit showed the victims had been handcuffed and shot in the head. They included a woman in her 70s and a five-month-old.

The US military had said that the troops seized an al-Qa'ida suspect from a first floor room after fierce fighting left the house in ruins. US officials originally said five people had been killed, although they later accepted a higher toll of 11.

The leaked cable has been highlighted by the US-based McClatchy newspaper chain. Its reporters in Iraq at the time interviewed neighbours and Iraqi security officials, who gave similar accounts to those contained in Mr Alston's letter but which the US military insisted were unlikely to be true.

Mr Alston sent a series of questions about the incident to the US embassy in Geneva, which passed them on to Washington. Although the US military announced an investigation into the incident, no known action was taken.

Asked whether he had elicited any more information about what happened, Mr Alston told The Independent: "[The US] studiously avoided responding to any communications sent to it during this period. The tragedy is that this elaborate system of communications is in place but the [UN] Human Rights Council does nothing to follow-up when states ignore issues raised with them."

The incident, in March 2006, occurred when large tracts of countryside were judged to be in the control of Sunni insurgents, many affiliated to al-Qa'ida in Iraq. Neighbours told the McClatchy reporters that troops had approached the house of a farmer, Faiz Harrat al-Majma'ee, at about 2.30am. There had been a 25-minute firefight, with someone apparently firing from the house, before the troops entered the building. The troops were backed up by helicopter gunships, they said.

Mr Alston's concerns reflect those in the original report by Iraqi security officials at the local Joint Coordination Centre. Its report said: "The American forces gathered the family members in one room and executed 11 persons, including five children, four women and two men. Then they bombed the house, burned three vehicles and killed their animals."

In his letter, Mr Alston – who names 10 victims –says "Iraqi TV stations broadcast from the scene and showed bodies of the victims (i.e. five children and four women) in the morgue of Tikrit". He adds that autopsies revealed that all corpses were shot in the head and handcuffed. There is no mention in the cable of any of the alleged shooting suspects being found or arrested at or near the house.

McClatchy said the Pentagon did not respond to requests for comment.

hidinginthebush

El Weirdo wrote: »

Why, oh why do they have to tack "-gate" onto the name of everything even mildly controversial?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB9JgxhXW5w

smurgen

Biggins wrote: »

This one might cause some trouble: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/american-soldiers-executed-iraqi-children-wikileaks-2864993.html

American soldiers executed Iraqi children - WikiLeaks

What an absolute disgrace,wonder will this make the Fox news website?

Sea Sharp

Biggins wrote: »

This one might cause some trouble: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/american-soldiers-executed-iraqi-children-wikileaks-2864993.html

American soldiers executed Iraqi children - WikiLeaks

Fcuking hell.
Worse than Hitler Ted.

Nodin

Nodin wrote: »

Apparently, and for reasons unknown, Assange has released them unredacted. The prick.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/sep/02/wikileaks-publishes-cache-unredacted-cables

What a C U Next Tuesday! Wonder how many people could potentially lose their lives or have their lives destroyed because of that!

smurgen

Sea Sharp wrote: »

Fcuking hell.
Worse than Hitler Ted.

You're hilarious.....seriously, how did you honestly think that was a funny comment given the fact that you knew infants has been executed by soldiers?

dlofnep

Biggins wrote: »

This one might cause some trouble: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/american-soldiers-executed-iraqi-children-wikileaks-2864993.html

American soldiers executed Iraqi children - WikiLeaks

Wikileaks just got interesting again.

amacachi

dlofnep wrote: »

Yeah, that's bang out of order. They did well up until now.

Why should only one side be held up to scrutiny and have everything about them put out?

Beggared

Nobody releases 100% of anything. Only the very gullible believe that they do.

dlofnep

amacachi wrote: »

Why should only one side be held up to scrutiny and have everything about them put out?

Elaborate please?

Biggins

amacachi wrote: »

Why should only one side be held up to scrutiny and have everything about them put out?

Don't many journalists/reporters/investigators try and expose other sides too?

amacachi

dlofnep wrote: »

Elaborate please?

Biggins wrote: »

Don't many journalists/reporters/investigators try and expose other sides too?

Basically as mentioned in one of the links up the page Wikileaks were working with a few newspapers to publish whatever suited them and their agenda. I'd rather no leaks than selected leaks to suit certain people, and I'd rather full disclosure rather than just another agenda being pushed.

kowloon

Biggins wrote: »

Don't many journalists/reporters/investigators try and expose other sides too?

That sounds like a lot of work .

humanji

amacachi wrote: »

Basically as mentioned in one of the links up the page Wikileaks were working with a few newspapers to publish whatever suited them and their agenda. I'd rather no leaks than selected leaks to suit certain people, and I'd rather full disclosure rather than just another agenda being pushed.

They weren't picking and choosing for their own agenda, they were deleting specific names so that the information could be shown but the identities of individuals wouldn't be exposed. And this was only in cases where the individuals life would be in danger.

Broads.ie

Manic Moran wrote: »

Didn't need to. The .1% which was interesting has been posted up on various boards or blog sites. I know how much was considered interesting enough to provoke discussion, so by extension, the rest was not.

NTM

I'm guessing you're only interested in Irish cables, maybe Iraq & Afghanistan too, because there is some great stuff in there from various other countries.

I'm interested in the ones from Africa. I suppose you have to have had an interest in the country before the release of cablegate to be more than mildly intrigued by it. For example I'm not going to read the cables from Denmark... I don't know anything about Denmark and I don't really care to know... but the cables from corrupt African nations are quite exciting.

Here's an example:

I was living in Nairobi when the cables came out, and some high level politicians were named as narcotics trafficers who control the flow of cocaine in and out of the country. One of the accused politicians was singled out in particular as he actually owns a major shipping & logistics company at the countries main sea port, where over a ton of cocaine was found and the container it was in was skipped during the inspection process.... suspicious eh? The cable claimed that when a CID officer (Criminal Investigations Department) went to investigate allegations of drug smuggling in the port, he was shot dead. Nobody has been charged for the murder, as the courts have been bought out. The cocaine was seized and kept for years by the police, with one chemical test carried out by the police, away from the media or any foreign officials. Some of the circumstances surrounding the seizure of cocaine are like something out of a movie, like this one:

One of the only three police officers said to have keys to the storage facility was murdered this year under highly suspicious circumstances; several of his immediate family members have since also been killed. The ambassador writing the cable, the UK ambassador, and the Dutch ambassador, believed that the coke was being whittled away and replaced with flour. Eventually the ton of coke was incinerated hastily without any independently verified tests.

Now this politician, John Mwau, has just last month been placed on a list of top drug kingpins by the United States. His assets in the states have been frozen and any American caught doing business with him is liable to a fine and imprisonment. This guy is up there with the Mexican and Colombian bad boys. Of course the Kenyan police have since cleared John Mwau of any links to the drugs trade. He's a pure saint so he is. But he is worth an alleged 700million US Dollars, and he obviously bought that status. Witness in Kenya are not just intimidated, they also have a tendency to disappear. Nowadays he's claiming that Obama wants to assassinate him so the USA can have all his assets. It's getting more and more ridiculous by the day.


There is so much juicy stuff in there. The Irish ones I agree are quite boring.

Biggins

Broads.ie wrote: »

...I'm interested in the ones from Africa...

Thanks, interesting stuff and great reading.

Nodin

prinz wrote: »

.........

Seems some of the thankers of that post have come round to see the man the same way I always saw him, interested only in himself.

Thats because some of us waited for sufficient evidence rather than jump on your bandwagon.

Manic Moran

smurgen wrote: »

What an absolute disgrace,wonder will this make the Fox news website?

It obviously made the UN Human Rights Commission, as they were the ones asking about it in 2006.

Perhaps it's considered by the UN as an unsubstantiated claim, which is why not much more has been said of it in the past five years that they've known about it?

NTM

Cork boy 55

Our man in Havana

http://www.amazon.com/Our-Man-Havana-Entertainment-20th-Century/dp/0140184937

prinz

Nodin wrote: »

Thats because some of us waited for sufficient evidence rather than jump on your bandwagon.

I had all the evidence I needed, descriptions of the man and his personality from his ex-colleagues for example, his own actions prior to this, etc etc.

Too many people had their heads in the sand because of their own agendas and assumed Assange could do no wrong despite some of those close to him raising doubts about his character.

opinion guy

Nodin wrote: »

Apparently, and for reasons unknown, Assange has released them unredacted. The prick.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/sep/02/wikileaks-publishes-cache-unredacted-cables

mikemac wrote: »

Did he not learn from last time?
How many informants in Afghanistan are now going to be taken by the Taliban and tortured to death

Assange cares more about his fame and ego then lives lost and protecting sources

Nodin wrote: »

Well whatever doubts their might have been, the jury has certainly come back now.

Hold up here.

There is more to this than meets the eye. Seems like the Guardian share responsiblity for this mass release
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14765837

humanji

opinion guy wrote: »

Hold up here.

There is more to this than meets the eye. Seems like the Guardian share responsiblity for this mass release
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14765837

From the desciption of what happened in the previous article, it looks fairly clear to be Assange's fault the password got out. He was meant to use a temporary password and just used their main one.

UglyBolloxFace

Broads.ie wrote: »

I'm guessing you're only interested in Irish cables, maybe Iraq & Afghanistan too, because there is some great stuff in there from various other countries.

I'm interested in the ones from Africa. I suppose you have to have had an interest in the country before the release of cablegate to be more than mildly intrigued by it. For example I'm not going to read the cables from Denmark... I don't know anything about Denmark and I don't really care to know... but the cables from corrupt African nations are quite exciting.

Here's an example:

I was living in Nairobi when the cables came out, and some high level politicians were named as narcotics trafficers who control the flow of cocaine in and out of the country. One of the accused politicians was singled out in particular as he actually owns a major shipping & logistics company at the countries main sea port, where over a ton of cocaine was found and the container it was in was skipped during the inspection process.... suspicious eh? The cable claimed that when a CID officer (Criminal Investigations Department) went to investigate allegations of drug smuggling in the port, he was shot dead. Nobody has been charged for the murder, as the courts have been bought out. The cocaine was seized and kept for years by the police, with one chemical test carried out by the police, away from the media or any foreign officials. Some of the circumstances surrounding the seizure of cocaine are like something out of a movie, like this one:




Now this politician, John Mwau, has just last month been placed on a list of top drug kingpins by the United States. His assets in the states have been frozen and any American caught doing business with him is liable to a fine and imprisonment. This guy is up there with the Mexican and Colombian bad boys. Of course the Kenyan police have since cleared John Mwau of any links to the drugs trade. He's a pure saint so he is. But he is worth an alleged 700million US Dollars, and he obviously bought that status. Witness in Kenya are not just intimidated, they also have a tendency to disappear. Nowadays he's claiming that Obama wants to assassinate him so the USA can have all his assets. It's getting more and more ridiculous by the day.


There is so much juicy stuff in there. The Irish ones I agree are quite boring.

Interesting. Thanks for the summary, great reading. Any chance you could summarise a few more?:pac::)

opinion guy

humanji wrote: »

From the desciption of what happened in the previous article, it looks fairly clear to be Assange's fault the password got out. He was meant to use a temporary password and just used their main one.

Read all of the bbc article. Its not that simple.
Whats actually happened is that wikileaks have now released it all officially because through the guardian publishing a password and various other goings on the material was getting out anyhow. It wasn't just the Assange used a password he shouldn't. The Guardian published a password it shouldn't. Some crowd put it on a website they shouldn't. Some guy with a grudge leaked that all this might be accessible etc etc. There's more than just assange to blame here and the guardian are certainly not off the hook.

Nodin

prinz wrote: »

I had all the evidence I needed, descriptions of the man and his personality from his ex-colleagues for example, his own actions prior to this, etc etc.

Too many people had their heads in the sand because of their own agendas and assumed Assange could do no wrong despite some of those close to him raising doubts about his character.

...I don't think anybody assumed he could "do no wrong". A good few thought he was an asshole, what wasn't believed was (a) this meant the leak of the documents was a bad thing or (b) the rape/sexual assault allegations.

Don't let that stop you rewriting things to make yourself feel good though.

hatrickpatrick

Releasing them unredacted like this was the lesser of two evils.
The Guardian assholes published the password to one of the encrypted backups in their book about Wikileaks, and Assange's argument now is that either intelligence agencies will see them first or ordinary people will, because ordinary people aren't likely to scour the internet for the backup as inteligence agencies are (and probably already have).

The situation sucks and is absolutely stupid and appalling, but I'd give the Guardian and Wikileaks an equal share of the blame here. I have no doubt they published the password specifically to screw Assange over, and left him in a completely catch 22 situation.

hatrickpatrick

humanji wrote: »

From the desciption of what happened in the previous article, it looks fairly clear to be Assange's fault the password got out. He was meant to use a temporary password and just used their main one.

As Assange pointed out himself that's a lie, and it can be easily proven as a lie because it is simply impossible to program an encryption key to expire. It's either correct or it isn't, if it's correct then it's correct as long as the file exists.

Amalgam

Why blame Assange, there were two other low lifes passing the file around and trying to curry favour. The mat was pulled from under him good and proper.

This amuses me greatly, that the password was out there all along..

http://pastebin.com/SBq9Xpsr

The above link gives a clearer idea of what lead to this, stripped of any fancy newspaper slant..

EDIT - The bit about the .zip file is priceless, who needs passwords..

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Just to add, for anyone rooting about.

Vim http://www.vim.org/

Works for opening huge .csv files. I am using Vim on a PC that's close to ten years old, with XP Home. Handles very very large files just fine, if a little laggy.

Be patient.