Bertie for President

thebaz

Go on Bertie you can save the country again , after all you created the Celtic Tiger :-

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0901/breaking45.html

Expenses claimed by former taoiseach Bertie Ahern were too high and should be reduced, Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin said today.

It emerged this week that the former taoiseach had claimed €265,000 for “secretarial services” and €7,500 on mobile phone bills since he stepped down in May 2008.

Under the current expenses regime, a former taoiseach may employ two secretarial assistants for up to five years after leaving office and one indefinitely after that.

In 2009, Mr Ahern claimed almost €115,000 for secretarial services expenses, while last year he claimed almost €107,000. And from January to July this year, he claimed almost €43,000, according to figures from the Department of the Taoiseach.

Ex-taoisigh are also entitled to free mobile phone use, a diplomatic passport, VIP services at airports and the use of a State car for official engagements only.

Mr Ahern’s claims were more than twice the €115,277 former taoiseach Albert Reynolds claimed for the same two and a half year period and almost 10 times as much claimed by former Fine Gael taoiseach John Bruton.

Asked by presenter Ivan Yates on Newstalk’s Breakfast Show today what he thought of Mr Ahern’s expenses claim, Mr Martin said he thought it was too high. “I think it should be reduced,” he said.

“Previous taoisigh also received similar types of support in the aftermath of being Taoiseach, but in the present set of circumstances, that is excessive.”

The party leader also criticised Mr Ahern for comments he made about the party’s cumainn on a documentary on the history of Fianna Fail, due to be broadcast on TV3 next week.

Mr Ahern had said a lot of people had “tea parties” and met to discuss the state of the world in the 1970s and 1980s, but “they were useless” at building up the Fianna Fáil vote.

He said when he moved into the city centre in the end of the 1970s none of the Seán McDermott Street cumann came from the north side of the Liffey and they were afraid to drive through the area, “not to mind canvas”.

“Quite frankly, they were a useless bunch of good-for-nothings,” Mr Ahern said.

“I’m really appalled at that,” Mr Martin said, having heard the comments. He described it as an “unbridled attack on grassroots members” and “very unfair”.

“Members of cumainn and political parties are the lifeblood of politics,” he said.

Maybe you can explain at the doorsteps of the unemployed and broke, your midas touch - Greed

Hank_Jones

Bertie for prosecution.

Biggins

thebaz wrote: »

Go on Bertie you can save the country again , after all you created the Celtic Tiger :-

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0901/breaking45.html

Maybe you can explain at the doorsteps of the unemployed and broke, your midas touch - Greed

I don't expect this thread to last long but I'll just say a resounding "NO".

A man that alone in one event, told people "they should go kill themselves" - should NEVER be president, never mind his many other antics of the past and ones still in the present.

End of story.

Stained Class

A true son of the corrupt FF party of CJ Haughey.

Saila

hang em high!

charlemont

Bertie for bullet.

Snowie

Bertie makes David Blaine look like an amiture

AnamGlas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR6lQ34wSBk

7sr2z3fely84g5

FF itself is slowly dying,seems to be war of words between ministers+former ones-

Expenses claimed by former taoiseach Bertie Ahern were too high and should be reduced, Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin said today.

Mr Ahern had said a lot of people had “tea parties” and met to discuss the state of the world in the 1970s and 1980s, but “they were useless” at building up the Fianna Fáil vote.
He said when he moved into the city centre in the end of the 1970s none of the Seán McDermott Street cumann came from the north side of the Liffey and they were afraid to drive through the area, “not to mind canvas”.
“Quite frankly, they were a useless bunch of good-for-nothings,” Mr Ahern said

thebaz

Biggins wrote: »

I don't expect this thread to last long but I'll just say a resounding "NO".

what i find frightening , that even years later he is still fleecing , the many good people of Ireland

Minstrel27

Why should the state be paying for these guys after they leave office? It is a genuine question that I hope somebody can answer.

Cill Dara Abu

Hank_Jones wrote: »

Bertie for prosecution.

Execution more like

Pherekydes

Bertie shows his true colours.

aidan24326

Biggins wrote: »

I don't expect this thread to last long but I'll just say a resounding "NO".

A man that alone in one event, told people "they should go kill themselves" - should NEVER be president, never mind his many other antics of the past and ones still in the present.

End of story.

You'd needn't worry yourself Biggins because he never will be President. Even his old Fianna Fail comrades are deserting him.

I know it's fashionable to slag politicians these days and especially those of the FF persuasion, but it must be said that Bertie is a particularly distasteful individual. A snake with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Why should the state be paying for these guys after they leave office? It is a genuine question that I hope somebody can answer.

No idea its disgusting nevertheless,here is his pension-
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0901/1224303294200.html

annual pension of €150,000.

markesmith

He's just rubbing our noses in it now

Liam Byrne

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

Bertie makes David Blaine look like an amiture

A what?

Biggins

Pherekydes wrote: »

Bertie shows his true normal colours.

I suspect one more word (inserted) should go in your above sentence - which I agree with by the way.

markesmith wrote: »

He's just rubbing our noses in it now

Has he ever not?

Cill Dara Abu

Liam Byrne wrote: »

A what?

Amateur, I think.

7sr2z3fely84g5

aidan24326 wrote: »

Even his old Fianna Fail comrades are deserting him.

A lot of them are hypocrites.nobody opposed the direction the country was heading during the good times.

charlemont

Erica Gentle Cement wrote: »

A lot of them are hypocrites.nobody opposed the direction the country was heading during the good times.

Headless chickens.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

The word hate is overused but I really hate that cúnt

He's like a badly brought up child that has no sense of responsability

suck my balls bertie ahern

Stained Class

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Why should the state be paying for these guys after they leave office? It is a genuine question that I hope somebody can answer.

Sometimes it's to do with security. A lot of these guys were involved in policies that involved NI & all the recurring shoite that could involve.


The rest just have their noses in the trough IMO.

Badgermonkey

Erica Gentle Cement wrote: »

A lot of them are hypocrites.nobody opposed the direction the country was heading during the good times.

Here's the present leader slithering away from a terrifying encounter with an actual real-life septuaginarian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzPLYDVrToU

sh1tstirrer

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Execution more like

He should be hung by the balls ,the only problem is would they be able to find a big enough noose to go round them.

Biggins

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

He should be hung by the balls ,the only problem is would they be able to find a big enough noose to go round them.

The sad part is that even when he dies - the people of Ireland will still have to cough up to him.
He gets a full state funeral at the expense of the nation.

thebaz

they should take him of bill pay and put him on pay as you go , it would go well with with his phony pint of bass, anorack man of the people (that he is fleecing) image

polyfusion

Biggins wrote: »

The sad part is that even when he dies - the people of Ireland will still have to cough up to him.
He gets a full state funeral at the expense of the nation.

That truly is depressing.

I hope it's on Bonfire Night, might save us a few €.

Senna

Biggins wrote: »

He gets a full state funeral at the expense of the nation.

Money well spent. If we can arrange it by next friday, ill pay for it myself.

Biggins

Senna wrote: »

Money well spent. If we can arrange it by next friday, ill pay for it myself.

:pac:

I'm tempted to agree!

Jesus Wept

He should commit suicide.

grenache

I'd vote for the Nazis before i'd give my number 1 to that criminal.

Liam Byrne

grenache wrote: »

I'd vote for the Nazis before i'd give my number 1 to that criminal.

Yeah, would much rather squat over him and give him a number two.

What the 9% in 4fm's survey were thinking is beyond me......ok, so there's gonna be a few trolls in that who are ball-hopping, but it'd still suggest that at least 6% want this weasel as president! :eek:

That said, at least we can laugh at him nowadays as he convinces himself that he'd still get elected! That's one seriously weird individual!

Although now that I think of it, maybe he's preparing the insanity defence to explain his actions ?

lugha

aidan24326 wrote: »

You'd needn't worry yourself Biggins because he never will be President. Even his old Fianna Fail comrades are deserting him.

I know it's fashionable to slag politicians these days and especially those of the FF persuasion, but it must be said that Bertie is a particularly distasteful individual. A snake with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

I wouldn't be too sure about that at all. Bertie was a prized FF asset in the "good" times, though undoubtedly the Bertie factor was confounded with an alleged booming economy.

People do forget over time, as Mary Harney famously said about something (how many, without Google, can remember what it was?). There can be, and have been, many political come-back kids. Haughey for example, was supposedly finished as a player in 1970 and look at what he did.

It is interesting to note a comment from Martin Mansergh a couple of years back (after the sh*t hit the fan) as to whether Bertie should run for the park. He didn't say no, he said "not this time".

Biggins

lugha wrote: »

I wouldn't be too sure about that at all. Bertie was a prized FF asset in the "good" times, though undoubtedly the Bertie factor was confounded with an alleged booming economy.

People do forget over time, as Mary Harney famously said about something (how many, without Google, can remember what it was?). There can be, and have been, many political come-back kids. Haughey for example, was supposedly finished as a player in 1970 and look at what he did.

It is interesting to note a comment from Martin Mansergh a couple of years back (after the sh*t hit the fan) as to whether Bertie should run for the park. He didn't say no, he said "not this time".

The bitter fool just crapped all over his own party and ground membership.
I doubt he could run 10 feet now, never mind for president.
...And thank gawd!

Minstrel27

Stained Class wrote: »

Sometimes it's to do with security. A lot of these guys were involved in policies that involved NI & all the recurring shoite that could involve.

Two secretarial assistants (one for up to five years) and free phone calls though. No need for it. He should pay with his huge pension.

Biggins

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Two secretarial assistants (one for up to five years) and free phone calls though. No need for it. He should pay with his huge pension.

...PensionS

(And I agree)

foxyboxer

Bertie Bocht.

punk77

Ahern should be held to account. OOPs I forgot,he doesn't have an account :rolleyes:

Hannibal Smith

grrr it makes my blood boil :mad::mad::mad::mad: Why should we be paying for him?! He made the blooming mess we're in and he's got the nerve to still take! Wish I hadn't clicked on this thread

Beggared

Biggins wrote: »

The sad part is that even when he dies - the people of Ireland will still have to cough up to him.
He gets a full state funeral at the expense of the nation.

Well let's have it now before they get any dearer.

mconigol

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Why should the state be paying for these guys after they leave office? It is a genuine question that I hope somebody can answer.

Which came first the chicken or the egg?

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it does it make a sound?

You'll never know the answer to any of these questions. It's just impossible...

MetalDog

lugha wrote: »

It is interesting to note a comment from Martin Mansergh a couple of years back (after the sh*t hit the fan) as to whether Bertie should run for the park. He didn't say no, he said "not this time".

Martin Mansergh is a very good example of how an educated person can be incredibly stupid:
"On an RTÉ radio show Morning Ireland in February 2008, Mansergh reassured listeners that Ahern's difficulties were no more than a spot of inflight turbulence, with a safe landing in sight.When Fine Gael's tribunal expert, Senator Eugene Regan dissented, Mansergh became quite agitated, questioning why Regan wanted to question Ahern's finances declaring to Regan that: You should have respect for your betters." - from Wikipedia.

LLU

Mr Ahern had said a lot of people had “tea parties” and met to discuss the state of the world in the 1970s and 1980s, but “they were useless” at building up the Fianna Fáil vote.

Shows his attitude pretty clearly. All he cared about was votes, he was never really interested in doing good for his country.

And now he's sitting alone in his little rats den, lashing out at the people who trusted and helped him, bitter and resentful that nobody is lavishing him with the praise and admiration he thinks he deserves. Well let him stay there and stew in it for the rest of his miserable life, he doesnt deserve another civil word said to him ever again.

cosmicfart

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Why should the state be paying for these guys after they leave office? It is a genuine question that I hope somebody can answer.

The answer to ur question is simply, they make the rules while in office and thus pretty much determine their owe wage scale, pension and so on.

I don't care how much he takes as long as his life is a living hell for the rest of his miserable, money grabbing days.

I heard that he's given the cold shoulder down de local, Fagans.

It's everyone's duty to constantly remind him he can never be a free man in Ireland again

waffleman

he must be skint alrite - accordin to breakingnews.ie he's havin his 60th in Croker

Killer Pigeon

HA

@thead title

ToddyDoody

If it'd annoy the british i say elect him

Liam Byrne

ToddyDoody wrote: »

If it'd annoy the british i say elect him

I thought the days of doing something that is against our best interests and conscience just to annoy the British were long gone, but obviously not. :rolleyes:

ToddyDoody

But it would be in keeping with what seemed to be DeValera's original reason for wanting a presidency.