Gym Owners: IMRO fees - playing music in gyms

GoneShootin

Anyone paying licencing fees at the moment to IMRO? What's the cost involved for classes? Does it cover all kinds of music across the globe or just those artists covered under IMRO? Things are bad enough in the game than having to fork out even more bobs.

Mellor

I gym recently changed thier music based on the liceancing fees increasing.

I'm sure there is a cost effective option for you

COH

They paid us a visit recently, I dont know the exact figure but I think its calculated per square foot of floor space, and for classes its that figure times the amount of classes per year so the cost varies from facility to facility. I'd work on the assumption that its for any licenced music, but if you made your own music/got in a dj/played elevator music im sure they have ways of charging you for that too. They seem to be alot more aggressive in applying their rules now, wouldnt surprise me if every fitness facility, big or small, gets paid a visit in the coming months

discus

COH wrote: »

They paid us a visit recently, I dont know the exact figure but I think its calculated per square foot of floor space, and for classes its that figure times the amount of classes per year so the cost varies from facility to facility. I'd work on the assumption that its for any licenced music, but if you made your own music/got in a dj/played elevator music im sure they have ways of charging you for that too. They seem to be alot more aggressive in applying their rules now, wouldnt surprise me if every fitness facility, big or small, gets paid a visit in the coming months

I think (I'll go ask my contact now) that it can be circumnavigated by using TVs instead of radios. You might have to get some big TVs to provide the sound, so I'm not sure if it's cost-effective!

Dravokivich

its by the area of the floor. same thing for pubs/clubs/shops/restuarants.

dont know for sure, but doubt a tv is a way around it. noticed a few take outs that used tvs instead of radios with the imro sticker on their window.

Mellor

A TV still has speakers, not different imo

WalterMitty

If you just stick on a radio station in a gym or other outlet do you have to pay money to imro? Seems like robbery if so.

Mellor

You are using the songs in a commercial business, its part of the service you offer, therefore you need to pay for song rights

Cabaal

WalterMitty wrote: »

If you just stick on a radio station in a gym or other outlet do you have to pay money to imro?

If the general public (or fee paying members) can hear the music then yes you have to pay

drdeadlift

They will try and nail you for the tvs too,the people working for them earn commission only hence why they are so motivated.There are ways around it though.Its a joke.

GoneShootin

Mellor wrote: »

I gym recently changed thier music based on the liceancing fees increasing.

I'm sure there is a cost effective option for you

changed their music to what?

Thud

Baroque, nothing like pumping out some reps to a bit of harpsichord


from wiki
"Such copyright protection has existed since just after the turn of the 20th century and most music written prior to 1900-1910 - from impressionism back to baroque and antiquity are said to be "in the public domain." Use of any said music prior to the creation of these copyright laws may be presumed to be free for use by all"

Manach

Cycling away to Wagner's 'Ride of the Valkaries' ...

discus

**** that, there's no way I'm doing a conditioning block to the 3rd movement of Mozarts Piano Symphony No. 23 in A Major... Lies, I do it all the time

paulmclaughlin

discus wrote: »

I think (I'll go ask my contact now) that it can be circumnavigated by using TVs instead of radios. You might have to get some big TVs to provide the sound, so I'm not sure if it's cost-effective!

What About The Television Licence?(back)

On the reverse side of a television licence there is a paragraph headed "Copyright. This licence does not authorise any recording or public performance of copyright in the matter received". It therefore only authorises television broadcasts to be viewed within the domestic circle. If television sets are placed outside that circle, such as in public bars or shops, any music audible from such sets constitutes a public performance.

http://www.imro.ie/content/music-users-faq#1

WalterMitty

discus wrote: »

**** that, there's no way I'm doing a conditioning block to the 3rd movement of Mozarts Piano Symphony No. 23 in A Major... Lies, I do it all the time

Artists nowadays should do what Mozart did and earn money ACTUALLY PLAYING their own music instead of looking to extort money from businesses who just have music as a small non essential element of their service. With digital quality music availble online anonymously and offline anonymounsly fromm offline peers they are fighting a futile battle in attempt to retain windfall levels of profit the industry they enjoyed when CDs first emerged and music couldnt be easily copied or shared. Theres enough revenue from other means such as gigging, endorsment, paid downloads, merchandise etc as well as people who like owning a physical album without needing to persecute businesses for giving your artist free promotion in your business.

Mellor

GoneShootin wrote: »

changed their music to what?

I can't remember wxactly ghow it worked, but was basically liceance free music, or reduced cost at the least

ballsymchugh

Mellor wrote: »

I can't remember wxactly ghow it worked, but was basically liceance free music, or reduced cost at the least

that sounds similar to what unicare pharmacies do. they have their own radio station, with up and coming bands who are just glad to get someone to play their music hoping that they'll be signed by a customer in the shop.

Red Alert

Well some of the staff in my gym don't want to turn it up most of the time - it's a gym, not a library.

dartstothesea

Just going to have to stop playing corporate megabands I guess. Loads of quality artists probably not signed up with IMRO.
Aren't some gyms 'clubs' though? Is there maybe some distinction there that'd let them play music to it's members as opposed to the 'public'?

jimbobaloobob

Looked up their website but its impossible to find fees or rates to be paid

Frynge

if you have upcoming bands albums playing in a bar with the bands permission do you still have to pay imro

Red Alert

Tesco and Dunnes Stores have some kind of "reduced cost" music don't they?

dartstothesea

Frynge wrote: »

if you have upcoming bands albums playing in a bar with the bands permission do you still have to pay imro

I remember being told the way it works is that if they're members of IMRO and they play songs that are registered under whatever royalties scheme, you do have to pay them for that, even just when playing in a live venue.

I really have no idea if/how this even actually happens in practice though.