The reason so many unemployed?

Oranage2

Is the reason so many people are unemployed is because they're too lazy?

Like for instance, we have a load of chugger/door to door threads and how annoying they are but these chuggers and sales guys are paying taxes. It just seems that there are people out there that wouldnt take this job yet are happy enough to take these chuggers taxes while complaining about them.

Also, cleaner are wanted too, how come people think they're too good for these jobs yet moan about foreigners taking 'their' jobs.

Another problem why people arent seeking work is because the dole is too high, 35 hours by minimum wage(8.65) = 302.77, then you have to pay tax, traval and lunch. dole equals 188€ plus benefits, how is this fair, when i worked in a supermarket many years ago people would leave to go on the dole as it offered a better life style.

Finally, there are too many people underskilled thinking they're worth more than they are, ie. students thinking WPP is beneath them, I'd just about trust the avarage student to pack away milk in a shop but i'd still want them supervised.

In conclusion,
Too many lazy people it this country, not enough skilled people and welfare thats too generous.

whelan1

on saturday i rang 4 people before i got someone willing to do 2 hours work for €25 cash, now it was driving a jeep in a field for 2 hours , no qualifications needed ..

ANXIOUS

Oranage2 wrote: »

Is the reason so many people are unemployed is because they're too lazy?

Like for instance, we have a load of chugger/door to door threads and how annoying they are but these chuggers and sales guys are paying taxes. It just seems that there are people out there that wouldnt take this job yet are happy enough to take these chuggers taxes while complaining about them.

Also, cleaner are wanted too, how come people thing they're too good for these jobs yet moan about foreigners taking 'their' jobs.

Another problem why people are seeking work is because the dole is too high, 35 hours by minimum wage(8.65) = 302.77, then you have to pay tax, traval and lunch. dole equals 188€ plus benefits, how is this fair, when i worked in a supermarket many years ago people would leave to go on the dole as it offered a better life style.

Finally, there are too many people underskilled thinking they're worth more than they are, ie. students thinking WPP is beneath them, I'd just about trust the avarage student to pack away milk in a shop but i'd still want them supervised.

In conclusion,
Too many lazy people it this country, not enough skilled people and welfare thats too generous.

I have to agree, there was a letter wrote into the independent by a student who blamed the goverment for making him lazy because the dole is so high...

wmpdd3

Well I work in a supermarket. Most staff work 5 x 4hr or 5hr shifts. 20 - 35 hrs per week. No chance of dole. So the wage is €160 + per week.

Most couples employed there, one person works days,they swap the kids and the other works evenings / nights.

Cant remember the last time someone left.
Cant remember the last time a new person started.

By now everyone there would be entitled to JBS as they would have stamps built up but no they work.

I do serve absolute disasters in the 14 - 17 and 45-65 age group and all I think is, fine do that here, I'm glad you will never need a part-time job, because I sure as hell wouldn't work beside you.

I still don't think the dole is too high, even though I pay €550 per months towards the pot it is drawn from.

I think clamping down on social welfare fraud should be top of the governments list.

horsebox09

First off, you do realise people under the age of 25 on the dole recieve €100 a week, which is what, over €200 LESS than what us so called "lazy" people are unwilling to work for?

I can only speak for myself, but I'd be in absolute heavan if I got offered a job that payed even half that. And I'm sure there are other people who feel the exact same way.

Yes, of course there are people who are content collecting their dole week in, week out and spend their time sitting on their hole, but for those of us who aren't like that, (and believe me, there are a lot) being on the dole is a horrid experience to put it mildly. I'm a 20 year old desperate to work, regardless of the occupation, and there are so many other people in my position.

I've handed out endless amounts of CVs in the last few months, I'm living in the City Centre and I haven't even been offered an interview in that period of time, I don't know what that's down to, but it certainly isn't laziness.

Just take a look at the recent Eircom Apprentice scheme, literally thousands of the people are fighting it out for 50 places, it's utter madness.

The reason so many people are unemployed is because for every one job available, you have over a dozen people applying for.

By all means. if you know anywhere employing than PM me the details, it would be greatly appreciated

Cavehill Red

Oranage2 wrote: »

Is the reason so many people are unemployed is because they're too lazy?

No, the reason so many people are unemployed is because globally we're in the worst economic downturn in four generations or more, and locally, we've just suffered an enormous crash in one sector that employed hundreds of thousands of people, along with a banking crash that means that small businesses hoping to expand and hire can't get the funds to do so.
It's got nothing to do with laziness.

Fluorescence

Oranage2 wrote: »

Finally, there are too many people underskilled thinking they're worth more than they are, ie. students thinking WPP is beneath them, I'd just about trust the avarage student to pack away milk in a shop but i'd still want them supervised.

I agree with most of your post, but this is insulting.

Bloody Nipples

To be fair to the OP, I'm on JSB because I'm too lazy to go looking for a summer job.

baldbear

This thread is a troll thread surely?

Yes there are lazy people on the dole, a minority who have never worked and whos votes were bought by politicians. But there simply aren't enough jobs out there.

patwicklow

You say.. (I'd just about trust the avarage student to pack away milk in a shop but i'd still want them supervised.)

iv had loads of students work for me in catering/bar over the summer months and find them very good workers if you treat them right, you do have to put trust in some people and respect them and you will get in back ten fold!!

Bens

I would agree mostly with the OP.
I would add that people here seem to think that the country OWES them a job. In years gone by if you werent skilled enough for the work here you would emigrate. People nowadays arent willing to emigrate. They think they should just stay and get the job they are owed. They say they are going to "Stay and help". Helping they are not. By staying they are a drain on the rest who do contribute to the economy. Grow a pair of balls. Emigrate to where you can get a job (dont even think about saying that there are no jobs elsewhere - there are).

Queue the unemployed now coming and saying.
"I cant emigrate, i have too many ties here".
"Im not being forced out of my country"
"I have paid taxes before"
blah blah blah.

If the dole wasnt so high I bet they would soon go find a job - here or abroad.

Oranage2

fluorescence wrote: »

I agree with most of your post, but this is insulting.

Im really sorry i don't mean to offend, but this time last year i left a job to go traveling, came back and found another job within 2 weeks, left that job in to go back to college, then after college i was in another job within a week.

Now theres nothin special about me, im relatively unskilled and lack any sort of charm(obvious enough from my posts).

Im currently lookin for a new job, and I've no doubt within a month I'll be employed somewhere else. Maybe I've been lucky or maybe its my determination i don't know.

scoopmine

Im a student was working making pre-cast walls for the summer but was laid of due to the downturn in the building building trade. I have applied for so many things iv lost count. I have garda clearance and experience in lots of areas and I have not found anything. I cannot get the dole because I am going back to my final year in a honours course. I know plenty in the same boat. Part-time or summer work does not look like its going to happen for me. In my summertime I have wrote articles for a website, coached 3 GAA teams, stewarded at festivals and worked on the family farm. Has the troll any ideas for me?

Oranage2

scoopmine wrote: »

Im a student was working making pre-cast walls for the summer but was laid of due to the downturn in the building building trade. I have applied for so many things iv lost count. I have garda clearance and experience in lots of areas and I have not found anything. I cannot get the dole because I am going back to my final year in a honours course. I know plenty in the same boat. Part-time or summer work does not look like its going to happen for me. In my summertime I have wrote articles for a website, coached 3 GAA teams, stewarded at festivals and worked on the family farm. Has the troll any ideas for me?

Have you tried charity sales, door to door and cleaning apparently every shop on grafton street is lookin for staff? Also im not trolling,

ANXIOUS

baldbear wrote: »

This thread is a troll thread surely?

Yes there are lazy people on the dole, a minority who have never worked and whos votes were bought by politicians. But there simply aren't enough jobs out there.

I dont agree with thus statement one bit, we had a huge amount of unemployed people during the boom.

ANXIOUS

Why do people who don't agree with a poster, call them a troll? Its having a diffrence of opinion.

scoopmine

Oranage2 Yes tried the door to door ended up costing money rather than making it. Applied for cleaning and shop jobs no reply. Have to keep trying because there is no point in quitting.

Fluorescence

Oranage2 wrote: »

Im really sorry i don't mean to offend, but this time last year i left a job to go traveling, came back and found another job within 2 weeks, left that job in to go back to college, then after college i was in another job within a week.

Now theres nothin special about me, im relatively unskilled and lack any sort of charm(obvious enough from my posts).

Im currently lookin for a new job, and I've no doubt within a month I'll be employed somewhere else. Maybe I've been lucky or maybe its my determination i don't know.

How is it not offensive to say you barely trust a student to stack a shelf even when someone's watching them over their shoulder? :rolleyes:

I've personally applied for hundreds (if not a thousand at this stage) of jobs but nowhere will hire me - who has no experience thus no relevant references - over someone who has that stuff.

Oranage2

fluorescence wrote: »

How is it not offensive to say you barely trust a student to stack a shelf even when someone's watching them over their shoulder? :rolleyes:

I've personally applied for hundreds (if not a thousand at this stage) of jobs but nowhere will hire me - who has no experience thus no relevant references - over someone who has that stuff.

Cant really sugar coat it but there's definetly a problem if after 1000 CVs you havent got a job or even an interivew!

Have you tried changing your CV, how about volenteering somewhere to put on your CV, even lie about having relevent experience?

Fluorescence

Oranage2 wrote: »

Cant really sugar coat it but there's definetly a problem if after 1000 CVs you havent got a job or even an interivew!

Have you tried changing your CV, how about volenteering somewhere to put on your CV, even lie about having relevent experience?

Wow, what unique advice. Haven't heard or tried that before at all :rolleyes:

Delancey

ANXIOUS wrote: »

I dont agree with thus statement one bit, we had a huge amount of unemployed people during the boom.

It is true that during the boom there were 100.000 on the dole and frankly that situation should not have been allowed continue - those claims ought to have been rigorously investigated and claimants disqualified unless they were able to show they were available for and seeking work.

It's very different now - close on 500,000 unemployed and the country mired in an appalling recession , there are not half a million cleaning jobs, fast food jobs or commission only sales jobs - unemployment will remain high despite the right wing nonsense spouted by people on boards who seemed determined to foster a hatred of those who have no job.

Bens

fluorescence wrote: »

Wow, what unique advice. Haven't heard or tried that before at all :rolleyes:

At least recognize that there is a serious problem if you havent got a job after sending out 1000s of CVs 100s even. Find out what the problem is and work on it. I know you think you dont have a problem that needs solving, but the facts speak for themselves. NOBODY doesnt have a jobs after sending out 100s of applications unless there is a problem with their applications they dont know about.

Fluorescence

Bens wrote: »

At least recognize that there is a serious problem if you havent got a job after sending out 1000s of CVs 100s even. Find out what the problem is and work on it. I know you think you dont have a problem that needs solving, but the facts speak for themselves. NOBODY doesnt have a jobs after sending out 100s of applications unless there is a problem with their applications they dont know about.

You're making the vital mistake here of assuming you know how I think and feel.

Oranage2

Cavehill Red wrote: »

No, the reason so many people are unemployed is because globally we're in the worst economic downturn in four generations or more, and locally, we've just suffered an enormous crash in one sector that employed hundreds of thousands of people, along with a banking crash that means that small businesses hoping to expand and hire can't get the funds to do so.
It's got nothing to do with laziness.

This....

Well done on using all those recession 'Buzz Words' -

Employment is at 86% - not great but still

out of 20 people - only 3 dont have jobs.

I'm looking at jobs.ie and dublin forum here and there seems to be many jobs - I know there are many people looking for these jobs but if you find yourself not getting them then simple solution is to upskill - if your not prepared to upskill then its laziness - good times are gone, low skilled high paying jobs are gone too!

jc84

Dole is not too high, it's too high for some maybe but not for most people who have to make 188 stretch to keep a roof over their families head and feed and clothe them, and another reason there is so many unemployed is because there aren't enough jobs

Oranage2

Oranage2 wrote: »

This....

Well done on using all those recession 'Buzz Words' -

Employment is at 86% - not great but still

out of 20 people - only 3 dont have jobs.

I'm looking at jobs.ie and dublin forum here and there seems to be many jobs - I know there are many people looking for these jobs but if you find yourself not getting them then simple solution is to upskill - if your not prepared to upskill then its laziness - good times are gone, low skilled high paying jobs are gone too!

Upskill in what area?

ABajaninCork

Of course, you do know that there's no budget this year for upskilling courses either?:pac:

axiom

one reason, maybe, people are holding out for an actual career type job again ... instead of "taking whatever comes along" ...

Fas or whatever they're called now, make it a bit of an incentive to stay on the dole for so long so you can avail of courses, intern schemes, or if people want to go back into education, holding off from employment to get the back to education grant etc.... (a minimum stay on welfare of 6-9 months is usually needed)

been actively looking for a job since I was let go at the start of the summer ... in the mean time I've been to about 7 or 8 interviews in Ireland and the UK .... of 3 I'm still waiting on an outcome for .... of which I'm not holding high hopes for as, A) I either haven't enough experience or, there were just better candidates ... which there is an abundance of in Ireland with lack of entry level jobs, looking for people who are actually at entry level etc...

(as said previously, 6000 + applications for Eircom, which I appllied for myself, 3 phases later and 1 to go, they have to cut 350 - 400 down to 100 to 120 or so for the formal interview .... for a possible 70 jobs)

everyone is saying upskill upskill ... however it is meaningless for graduates/school leavers to do this when you'll be looked down upon for not having experience to back it up (I'd rather get out of the coutry and do something fun than go on a course and have a 90% probability of being back in the same position when I finish) ... the internship scheme is a good idea, but it's being taken severely advantage of for free labour and people not getting permanent work at the end of it ...
those who do go that route, are either going to be stuck in college for next few years, or waiting around for all the social welfare and Fas bureaucratic red tape so they can take a course and keep their benefits

there are an awful lot of flaws in the whole system, an awful lot of people aren't lazy as what everyone makes them out to be, but I do agree an awful lot of people arent being pro-active about their jobless scenario ....

it's a situation I don't see getting better in the forseeable future either. all people want is a job in an environment which is secure and encourages you to grow ... which just isn't happening..

Cavehill Red

Oranage2 wrote: »

This....

Well done on using all those recession 'Buzz Words' -

Not words, facts.

Oranage2 wrote: »

Employment is at 86% - not great but still
out of 20 people - only 3 dont have jobs.

Care to explain those maths? Bear in mind when you do how many people aren't in the workforce at all due to being too young/old/sick/in education and then calculate.

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm looking at jobs.ie and dublin forum here and there seems to be many jobs - I know there are many people looking for these jobs but if you find yourself not getting them then simple solution is to upskill - if your not prepared to upskill then its laziness - good times are gone, low skilled high paying jobs are gone too!

The vast majority of available jobs are in certain sectors, primarily IT (and language related IT support.) There are plenty of very highly skilled people from OTHER sectors who aren't qualified to do Microsoft telesupport in Norwegian, and frankly it's not sensible or reasonable to expect them to retrain and commence new careers at the bottom of those ladders. Having said that, the government is offering retraining via the Springboard programme and my understanding is that it has been significantly oversubscribed. So there is a huge interest in retraining even among the highly skilled people who are stuck in Ireland (negative equity, family responsibilities, etc).

But for those who aren't stuck, they're leaving (you may have seen the headline figures of 1000 per week emigrating.) This is a direct result of the failure of the banking system - which we're still stupidly paying for - which refuses/is incapable of providing much needed capital to small and medium sized businesses which are viable and WANT to hire people.

To summarise for you - it's neither feasible nor practical to expect many people to switch skills after years developing a career. Yet, many are doing exactly that and others are simply leaving to bring their skills to benefit another country.

Your facile assumptions that everyone on the dole is either stupid or lazy is generally the mentality of someone whose work is ringfenced and recession-proof. I've encountered this attitude before, primarily among civil servants, where you really do need to be stupid and lazy not to be auto-bumped up the career ladder without concern of upskilling.

Oranage2

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Not words, facts.

So 'Buzz facts'

Crying recession isnt going to get you a job, its an excuse, everybody is going through this recession and plenty of people have jobs.

I know this is the worst recession since Noah built the ark but I think its time to stop blaming bank,politician or whatever and start looking at how your skills can get you a job!

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Care to explain those maths? Bear in mind when you do how many people aren't in the workforce at all due to being too young/old/sick/in education and then calculate.

You got me! Yes i meant to say 86% percent of people that can take employment are employed.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

The vast majority of available jobs are in certain sectors, primarily IT (and language related IT support.) There are plenty of very highly skilled people from OTHER sectors who aren't qualified to do Microsoft telesupport in Norwegian, and frankly it's not sensible or reasonable to expect them to retrain and commence new careers at the bottom of those ladders. Having said that, the government is offering retraining via the Springboard programme and my understanding is that it has been significantly oversubscribed. So there is a huge interest in retraining even among the highly skilled people who are stuck in Ireland (negative equity, family responsibilities, etc).

Retraining and upskilling is exactly that - its called moving with the times, no point being trained in something thats useless!

Even cave men unskilled - the guys that used spears would then have to upskill in using the bow and arrow, if they didnt well they'd be left behind catching rats with their spears while their neighbours where killing dear and pigs with the bow and arrow.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Your facile assumptions that everyone on the dole is either stupid or lazy is generally the mentality of someone whose work is ringfenced and recession-proof. I've encountered this attitude before, primarily among civil servants, where you really do need to be stupid and lazy not to be auto-bumped up the career ladder without concern of upskilling.

Well my current job is recession proof and the company i work for is subcontracted by the government so cant fault your assumptions their.

But i had to upskill to get it, it also has nothing to do with what i studied for 4 years so changing my skills was exactly what I had to do. If i wanted to do what i did in college I'd be on the dole. Also theres no progression ladder where i am now, I'm pretty much as high as I can go.

Cavehill Red

Oranage2 wrote: »

So 'Buzz facts'

Crying recession isnt going to get you a job, its an excuse, everybody is going through this recession and plenty of people have jobs.

And an awful lot of people are doing that, to the extreme extent of uprooting their entire families and getting out of this country. Your suggestion that people are being lazy and/or stupid is itself a lazy and/or stupid one.

Oranage2 wrote: »

I know this is the worst recession since Noah built the ark but I think its time to stop blaming bank,politician or whatever and start looking at how your skills can get you a job!

I don't think it's an either/or. You can legitimately allocate blame for the screwing of our economy to those who are responsible while simultaneously seeking work.

Oranage2 wrote: »

You got me! Yes i meant to say 86% percent of people that can take employment are employed.

Again, I'd have to query those numbers. They don't seem to tally with the figures I've seen. Nevertheless, even accepting that number for talk's sake, 15% unemployment is horrendous in a Western economy. It rises to 20% plus among young people, which for the future of the nation is a disaster, frankly.

Oranage2 wrote: »

Retraining and upskilling is exactly that - its called moving with the times, no point being trained in something thats useless!

Not useless at all, simply skills, trades and careers that have been devastated in this particular country at this time. There are jobs in other places in those sectors, and there were jobs here in those sectors and at some point there will be again. As was said earlier, it isn't the smartest use of someone's time or resources (or state resources) to 'upskill' (meaning sideways skill) people into some other industry when they could be working in their own skilled area either elsewhere, or else here, if only the banking sector would start lending to small and medium businesses.

Oranage2 wrote: »

Even cave men unskilled - the guys that used spears would then have to upskill in using the bow and arrow, if they didnt well they'd be left behind catching rats with their spears while their neighbours where killing dear and pigs with the bow and arrow.

Are you seriously comparing the likes of architects or journalists or any of the other highly skilled professionals now unemployed in Ireland with cavemen?

Oranage2 wrote: »

Well my current job is recession proof and the company i work for is subcontracted by the government so cant fault your assumptions their.

Not surprised.

Oranage2 wrote: »

But i had to upskill to get it, it also has nothing to do with what i studied for 4 years so changing my skills was exactly what I had to do. If i wanted to do what i did in college I'd be on the dole. Also theres no progression ladder where i am now, I'm pretty much as high as I can go.

And those are your personal decisions. You've decided to abandon what you were trained for and seek a dead-end job in another sector. That's a decision you're happy to make. However, your logic failure is your assumption that because others decide not to do likewise they must be lazy or stupid.

StillWaters

ANXIOUS wrote: »

I dont agree with thus statement one bit, we had a huge amount of unemployed people during the boom.

We had, what, 4% unemployment during the boom, which is more or less full employment by any economies standards (taking into account those between jobs, the unemployable and the career sw recipients). There are simply not the jobs out there now for full employment or anything like it. Unemployment now is around 14%. Those extra people on the dole are not workshy.

Oranage2

Cavehill Red wrote: »

And ............................................lazy or stupid.

Right I'm too lazy to break down you points so I'll agree with you, Lazy and stupid people is too broad a generalisation to cover all the unemployed spectrum so I would like to add another category:'Victims of the Recession'

These victims have to suffer the worst recession in 4 gerations or more, the people in the 50s and 60s recession who starved to death and watched family members dies of TB didnt know how lucky they were!

The victims in todays recession also have to emigrate to hell like places like Australia, Canada, England and USA by aeroplane. The people of yonder years although they had to get long boat journeys that were disease and rat infested dont know how lucky they were sure they didnt have to put up with annoying hostess trying to sell them scratch cards!

And now lets spare a final thought for these victims, they spent so long training for one profession that now they refuse retrain as their skills may become useful one day.

Maybe growing up in a council house to a one parent family has thought me not to be a spoilt 'tiger cub' because I dont know what planet your on that you think its better to be on the dole making between 100-188e while waiting for a job in your area of expertise.

RATM

There's plenty of work around if you are in the right sector. Over 4,000 jobs remain unfilled in IT at the moment. I'm often recruiting outside of Ireland because of a massive skills shortage here.

People without marketable skills really need to consider re-training. I know it is not easy as I've done it myself but it is essential if you cannot find a job that pays a decent wage in this economy.

Automan

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Why do people who don't agree with a poster, call them a troll? Its having a diffrence of opinion.

From the creator of such non trollish threads as:

Is the Dole too low?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70560053

Are you a begrudger?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70038797

What's a recession?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=69136349

I hate going to work....
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=68443055

All AH stuff but still shows his thought process on the matter at hand.

Here he is completely contradicting this thread he has just started.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=73613172

Oranage2 wrote: »

Everyday we see the dispair and hopelessness from thousands of fellow irishmen/women that are trying desperately to find jobs that just arent there

Anybody else think he is a troll?

Oranage2

Automan wrote: »

From the creator of such non trollish threads as:

Is the Dole too low?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70560053

Are you a begrudger?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70038797

What's a recession?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=69136349

I hate going to work....
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=68443055

All AH stuff but still shows his thought process on the matter at hand.

Here he is completely contradicting this thread he has just started.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=73613172



Anybody else think he is a troll?

Yawn.....you know detrailing threads is considered trolling so it's in fact you thats trolling, as for my other threads, all posted in AH, I take all other forums very seriously!

Now how about agreeing or disagreeing!

Simple fact is a lot of students leave college with science, arts and business degrees - but in reality they have no experience at any level, it would even take time to train them in shelf stacking and waiting tables and cleaning but yet these graduates want to be business men/women (whatever that is) and the truth of the matter if they dont even know how to pack shelves they havent a chance of knowing what to do in an IT, administration role.

Now these grads then sit on the dole applying to positons they havent got a clue about or chance of getting as they're are many others with more experience going for these jobs - So please tell me are these grads too stupid or too lazy to try and upskill?

Also building, car, housing industries have hit rock bottom but business sales and IT roles are in demand - would it not be the smart thing to try and learn another skill where there are jobs? Or is it as another poster said - its unfair to expect people to retrain - I dont think so! move with the times or be left behind.

Now there's the recession word been branding around quite often - But lets face it - many people just dont have the right skills or experience in todays age to find work and even worse the same people arent doing anything to gain the right skills or experience "but its not my fault its the recession!"

mickman

its not the sole reason but its definetely a factor. other factors are the high dole and peoples unreliastic expectations. take for example the electricians that were contacted by the london - irish construction alliance group. they were paying 15 gbp an hour for work in london and the irish lads said they wouldnt get out of bed for that money.

V480

It astonishes me how ignorant some people are. I was 9 months on the dole and only just got a temp job after maby 300 applications (stopped counting after a while) and several pointless interviews from ignorant asshole employers.

It was without doubt the most dispiriting, depressing experience of my life and I wouldn't wish it on anybody, not even the ignoramus OP. In the words of P. Flynn - 'try it sometime'!

Yeah there are plenty of 'cleaner' jobs advertised, 'warehouse operative' is another popular one. I applied for every single one of these that cropped up over the best part of a year and never once got a reply, not even once! I don't know do these jobs even exist?

seraphimvc

i love it how alot of ignorant (or troll) posts in this thread. A quick check on your ignorance, are you or do you know any graduates from 2008 or later? If you know about their situation, i would delete all your stupid posts right now. i mean it, NOW.

Oranage2

Why, what are you suggesting?

seraphimvc wrote: »

i love it how alot of ignorant (or troll) posts in this thread. A quick check on your ignorance, are you or do you know any graduates from 2008 or later? If you know about their situation, i would delete all your stupid posts right now. i mean it, NOW.

paddyandy

Very high unemployment was ALWAYS a feature of Irish life.During the Tiger years a lot of it was concealed in government schemes and window dressings of one sort or another.The problem now is sustaining the welfare bill.Being unemployed has become the 'norm' for a lot of people.

Wompa1

paddyandy wrote: »

Very high unemployment was ALWAYS a feature of Irish life.During the Tiger years a lot of it was concealed in government schemes and window dressings of one sort or another.The problem now is sustaining the welfare bill.Being unemployed has become the 'norm' for a lot of people.

That's probably true..wasn't there some scandal a couple of weeks ago that people on FAS courses weren't counted on the live register and the FAS were fluffing their numbers...I think I heard that on the radio anyway

I've been offered 3 jobs in the last year. My current girlfriend applied for 2 jobs about 2 months ago and got offered both, then she found out she had to do repeats and kept her current 16 hour a week job instead.

She finished her repeats last Friday. Applied for a part time job online. Got a call back 2 hours later and started the next day for a trial..Now she has 2 part times jobs and about 30 hours a week.

There were loads of jobs when she looked both times. Mostly posted on shop windows. Some on Facebook and some on jobs.ie

I think the problem is, yes there are thousands of CVs going in but places can be picky about who they hire. If I was a manager of McDonalds and got a CV from a student who started working in retail when they were 14 and then got a CV from say someone who worked as an Engineer for 2 years and worked one part time summer job. I'd always go for the student in that case.

And this is putting my head on the chopping block, but in my generation at least. Not too many young people started working regular hours at a young age, if at all...

Tayla

Oranage2 wrote: »

Im really sorry i don't mean to offend, but this time last year i left a job to go traveling, came back and found another job within 2 weeks, left that job in to go back to college, then after college i was in another job within a week.

Now theres nothin special about me, im relatively unskilled and lack any sort of charm(obvious enough from my posts).

Im currently lookin for a new job, and I've no doubt within a month I'll be employed somewhere else. Maybe I've been lucky or maybe its my determination i don't know.

That was luck OP.

What about the news reports when a new McDonalds or similar opens and they receive job applications from solicitors, accountants, etc?

They won't give them a job because they're over qualified.

There are many parts of Ireland where there still are no jobs, how about you pick a few random counties and check out the main jobs websites every day for a week vs the amount of people on the live register who could fill these jobs and then come back and say that people are lazy.

Of course there are always going to be some who couldn't be bothered but there are plenty more who are desperate o get back to work.

Wompa1

Tayla wrote: »

That was luck OP.

What about the news reports when a new McDonalds or similar opens and they receive job applications from solicitors, accountants, etc?

They won't give them a job because they're over qualified.

Just an idea. Don't put your qualification as a solicitor or whatever on your CV if you think that will impact on your chances. It's kind of dishonest but if you worked as a solicitor for a few years and that means you have a gap in your CV, it might be worthwhile contacting an old reference and asking them can they claim you worked there until a few months ago or something...

Tayla

Wompa1 wrote: »

Just an idea. Don't put your qualification as a solicitor or whatever on your CV if you think that will impact on your chances. It's kind of dishonest but if you worked as a solicitor for a few years and that means you have a gap in your CV, it might be worthwhile contacting an old reference and asking them can they claim you worked there until a few months ago or something...

I would imagine a lot of them put down their actual job...solicitor etc, in the hopes of landing one of the managerial roles or a higher paying jobs that the company is advertising for. I don't really agree with lying about it either.

Wompa1

Tayla wrote: »

I would imagine a lot of them put down their actual job...solicitor etc, in the hopes of landing one of the managerial roles or a higher paying jobs that the company is advertising for.

Not sure that would be wise...why would a solicitor make a good manager? Plus how could they compete with others who have actual management experience...

scholar007

whelan1 wrote: »

on saturday i rang 4 people before i got someone willing to do 2 hours work for €25 cash, now it was driving a jeep in a field for 2 hours , no qualifications needed ..

I think there are places which charge people to go off road for entertainment and you were willing to pay and provide the jeep?

Tayla

Wompa1 wrote: »

Not sure that would be wise...why would a solicitor make a good manager? Plus how could they compete with others who have actual management experience...

I presume a lot of solicitors have mortgages etc. to be paid, why wouldn't they go for the managers job or trainee manager? They would probably hope that their maturity would stand for something. Everyone would hope to get the better jobs, that's why noone should try to dumb down their CV.

si_guru

At the risk of being flamed.... this is what I hear.

"I am on the dole because I am waiting for someone to offer me a job"..

I can't help but wonder that if the dole was less than we might see a bit more entrepreneurship. I am apparently living in an unemployment blackspot (Kerry) yet not one of the guys who prop up the local bar all day long bemoaning the end of the boom has ever knocked on my door and asked if I want my windows washing, car washing, wall building, house painting, garden digging.. etc. etc.

Oranage2

Wompa1 wrote: »

That's probably true..wasn't there some scandal a couple of weeks ago that people on FAS courses weren't counted on the live register and the FAS were fluffing their numbers...I think I heard that on the radio anyway

I've been offered 3 jobs in the last year. My current girlfriend applied for 2 jobs about 2 months ago and got offered both, then she found out she had to do repeats and kept her current 16 hour a week job instead.

She finished her repeats last Friday. Applied for a part time job online. Got a call back 2 hours later and started the next day for a trial..Now she has 2 part times jobs and about 30 hours a week.

There were loads of jobs when she looked both times. Mostly posted on shop windows. Some on Facebook and some on jobs.ie

I think the problem is, yes there are thousands of CVs going in but places can be picky about who they hire. If I was a manager of McDonalds and got a CV from a student who started working in retail when they were 14 and then got a CV from say someone who worked as an Engineer for 2 years and worked one part time summer job. I'd always go for the student in that case.

And this is putting my head on the chopping block, but in my generation at least. Not too many young people started working regular hours at a young age, if at all...

I think you've made some excellent points -

http://www.publicaffairsireland.com/news/630-youth-unemployment-at-29-1-in-ireland

According to this 29.1 percent of young people (under 25) are unemployed- shocking figure really - but your girlfriend seems to be able to just walk into jobs as she pleases....is it luck? - I dont think so! I'd say she has a confidence about her that when she goes to an interview that interviewer knows she's a capable person that wont need to be trained and as you said - we have early 20s with degrees but how many of these young people even know how to pack a shop shelf?

si_guru wrote: »

At the risk of being flamed.... this is what I hear.

"I am on the dole because I am waiting for someone to offer me a job"..

I can't help but wonder that if the dole was less than we might see a bit more entrepreneurship. I am apparently living in an unemployment blackspot (Kerry) yet not one of the guys who prop up the local bar all day long bemoaning the end of the boom has ever knocked on my door and asked if I want my windows washing, car washing, wall building, house painting, garden digging.. etc. etc.

Another very true statment - no doubt it will be considered trolling though!:rolleyes:

If you're on the dole - have no actual experience or very little and if you're not actually upskilling or trying to add experience for even free then
"I am on the dole because I am waiting for someone to offer me a job" is exactly what you're saying!



I know unemployed is a horrible thing and I can only image how demoralising it is but 'people arent lucky to have jobs' you just dont have the right skills to have one!

Tayla

Oranage2 wrote: »

If you're on the dole - have no actual experience or very little and if you're not actually upskilling or trying to add experience for even free then
"I am on the dole because I am waiting for someone to offer me a job" is exactly what you're saying!

There's plenty of places in the country where it's harder to get training or do courses etc, no public transport to get into courses even if they
managed to get a place.

You can't put everyone into the one box!