Evangelion 3.0: Q

johnny_ultimate

So Eva 2.0 was shown on Japanese TV the other night, and it included a new and painfully brief preview of Quickening. There's a small youtube war going on trying to get the clip to stay up but here's one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSEo6JGxQ4w

Pretty much just more Asuka in an eyepatch (a little shiner this time) but also the promise of a space battle. Hopefully the admirable trend of 2.0 towards new content shall be continued, especially given the way it ended.

The most painful news though is the release date: a distant Autumn 2012. Given the rate they're translating these things, it'll probably be 2013 before we get an official English language release. Boo-urns!

Evade

It's only a little over a year away. I wonder if we'll get a remade version of Asuka and Shinji's dance number like the one to used to defeat Israfel.

I suppose we'll have to wait until 2015/16 for the fourth part.

KingLoser

Evade wrote: »

It's only a little over a year away. I wonder if we'll get a remade version of Asuka and Shinji's dance number like the one to used to defeat Israfel.

I suppose we'll have to wait until 2015/16 for the fourth part.

I heard they'll be releasing the 3rd and 4th ones at the same time. I can't remember where so..... not much good.

Kadongy

You could watch the series..

Craguls

Evade wrote: »

It's only a little over a year away. I wonder if we'll get a remade version of Asuka and Shinji's dance number like the one to used to defeat Israfel.

I suppose we'll have to wait until 2015/16 for the fourth part.

I doubt it since we should be up to episode 23/24 now which does suggest it's going to be entirely new content.

johnny_ultimate

There seems to be a bit of confusion on a fourth film. It was the initial plan, but people (aka anonymous people on the internet :pac:) are saying 3.0 and 4.0 might be released together. Or 4.0 might just be a brief epilogue at the end of 3.0. Who knows, there's a long time to wait before the next film so I'm sure we'll know more closer to the time.

e_e

If they made 3.0 & 4.0 into a 3 hour+ epic it'd pretty much be my ideal movie.

KingLoser

Kadongy wrote: »

You could watch the series..

even the director himself says these movies are evangelion in the way he intended the story to be told.

the series itself suffered from huge problems regarding time and budget, and the ending is (as much as i don't like putting down one of the "classics") useless. both the series and movie interpretations.

plus, i'm fairly certain most people here have seen it like! it's ridiculously popular...

johnny_ultimate

The second film is a definite improvement over the series (first is pretty much just a condensed version of the first few episodes). It's a far clearer and confidently presented vision of the story. That said, I adored End of Evangelion and thought it was a more than suitable conclusion. I'm extremely curious how they're going to handle the rest of the story in Rebuild, given the curious changes You Can (Not) Advance made to the Neon Genesis narrative. I was just hoping it would be out a bit sooner given Autumn 2012 is more than three years after 2.0's Japanese release. But then again I'd rather they make a kick ass film with as much time as they need. You can definitely tell the last few episodes of NGE suffered from being rushed.

Thomas-G

KingLoser wrote: »

even the director himself says these movies are evangelion in the way he intended the story to be told.

the series itself suffered from huge problems regarding time and budget, and the ending is (as much as i don't like putting down one of the "classics") useless. both the series and movie interpretations.

plus, i'm fairly certain most people here have seen it like! it's ridiculously popular...

Komm Susser Todd is one of my favorite songs ever not because it's a good song (and it is) but because of the emotions I associate with it. Wouldn't call either of the ending useless, some fans love the series ending and the movie was great, but I get why you might think that.

As for waiting for subs, that's why we have fansubbers!

Butterscotch

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

There seems to be a bit of confusion on a fourth film. It was the initial plan, but people (aka anonymous people on the internet :pac:) are saying 3.0 and 4.0 might be released together. Or 4.0 might just be a brief epilogue at the end of 3.0. Who knows, there's a long time to wait before the next film so I'm sure we'll know more closer to the time.

Yes I heard that before, not sure if that is true either. I really look forward to them.

@Thomas-G: Agrees that Komm Susser Todd is an amazing song. A Happy gospel song with depressing lyrics.:P Can't stop thinking of the Cure.

e_e

End of Evangelion is a masterpiece, I really don't know how anyone can call it a weak ending.

It's not only an amazing movie, but it's even better than the series imho. An incredible sensory experience.

Konata

I don't think the original ending of Evangelion is bad. Yes, on it's own, it's not great as it leaves so many unanswered questions. But tied with End of Evangelion, it's actually a pretty awesome ending. I like to see the original as concurrent to EoE ending ie that the original is what's going on in Shinji's mind whilst all the events of EoE are occurring.

I like it anyway :P

Very excited to see what they'll do next with Rebuild - bring it on!

johnny_ultimate

I love this quote about End of Evangelion:

The second half of the movie is so incoherent and obtuse that it completely loses the mainstream audience (and in fact, virtually any audience) this series has attracted before. It goes beyond art film and beyond anime. And in doing so, it goes beyond the audience's capability to understand and be entertained, which defeats the purpose of something labeled as entertainment

I do not like that the reviewer considers it a negative though. As a work of animated art, there's absolutely nothing like End of Evangelion. It is a direct response to the criticisms of the end of the anime, while fitting snugly into that fiction. The music, the visuals, the ideas are quite unlike anything else. It's one of anime's finest moment for sure.

Azure_sky

I read on the wiki article that Rebuild 3 will finish off the series. So that might mean they've run into financial trouble again and perhaps Anno will have to use innovation again by converging the fourth film into maybe 30-45 minutes. Who knows? I think rebuild left out some great scenes from the series, like the scene where Shinji Psycho analyses himself. I love the last two episodes of the original series too. So much introspection...

Craguls

Yeah what Azure Sky says seems to be in line with wiki's in general. Reports claim the films were envisioned to be similar to a noh play consisting of parts jo-ha-kyū. (Jo ha and now Q being the Japanese titles) I reckon that it's likely going to be an epilogue unless they decide to milk it (which wouldn't be unheard of)

johnny_ultimate

This is hilarious - release date reveal held (as far as I can gather) in cinemas around Japan. Crowd are going ****ing bat****:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDxIBdGfJ9Q

November 17th, by the way.

PopePalpatine

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

This is hilarious - release date reveal held (as far as I can gather) in cinemas around Japan. Crowd are going ****ing bat****:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDxIBdGfJ9Q

November 17th, by the way.

Unfortunately we'd be lucky to get November 17th 2013...

fitz0

I'll put this in here rather than making a whole new thread for it. A museum in Japan is hosting an exhibition of Eva weapons crafted by swordsmiths and associated craftsmen. It includes this 3.3m Spear of Longinus.



http://io9.com/5927993/master-japanese-craftsmen-make-real+life-versions-of-evangelion-weapons

PopePalpatine

Dedication: Level Asian?

e_e

New trailer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YFhfeYpsBI

Hideaki Anno is probably singing "trololo" right this minute

PopePalpatine

For some strange reason that reminds me of the opening movie for GT5.

johnny_ultimate

New short trailer with some actual film footage (looking like piano playing is most certainly in)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-AL_RxFQqk

Available on Nico Video if it gets taken off youtube, but fans have posted all sorts of English crap on the video over there.

Also looks like there's going to be an extended preview of some sort on the 9th / 16th. Google translate suggests the opening six minutes, but that could be lost in translation: http://www.evangelion.co.jp/news.html

Konata

It's the first 7 minutes and it's gonna be aired on the 9th. There's an English article about it here.

I am so, SO excited for this! Fingers crossed we get a showing here some time early next year like when 2.0 came out!

johnny_ultimate

Yeah I've tweeted both Andrew Partridge and Japanese Film Festival (AFAIK they're running the full festival early next year) expressing interest in both Eva and Wolf Children screenings. Pester them enough and it might happen :P

Depresses me that this is going to be out in the wild with no access to it in November

Dartz

Pirate Asuka

That's all I need to see.

Konata

Latest trailer! Gahhhhhhh, must see!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlnAYQ1R_5k

PopePalpatine

Mari looks so damn smug there.

johnny_ultimate

So tempted to actually organise a Dublin screening of this myself

"Hello, is this Gainax? You don't know me but..."

Konata

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

So tempted to actually organise a Dublin screening of this myself

"Hello, is this Gainax? You don't know me but..."

Absolutely nothing is confirmed but I do know that they are trying to organise a screening around Spring next year - hopefully sooner but any screening earlier than the DVD release would still be fantastic!

johnny_ultimate

Konata wrote: »

Absolutely nothing is confirmed but I do know that they are trying to organise a screening around Spring next year - hopefully sooner but any screening earlier than the DVD release would still be fantastic!

Yeah I'd hope there'd be something sooner rather than later alright. Anime release dates over here are ridiculous - I remember at the IFI anime weekend Eva 1.0 still hadn't been released on DVD, let alone the sequel. Think it was close to eighteen months after that until the full English language release of 2.0 - a full two years after Japanese theatrical. Hopefully Manga or whoever is handling the release this time will get it sorted quickly. Alas, the problem lies with the restrictive Japanese producers themselves, who care so little about international markets that it's a continued shame.

johnny_ultimate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnigpyCYHOc

Why must I live in a country where I won't get to see the next 100 minutes for months?

Konata

Dying to know how they get to this point from the end of 2.0!

Also really surprised by how much of that I understood - managed to get the general gist of what was going on anyway.

Dat Asuka

PopePalpatine

Konata wrote: »

Dying to know how they get to this point from the end of 2.0!

Also really surprised by how much of that I understood - managed to get the general gist of what was going on anyway.

Dat Asuka

Glad to see another Asuka fan here! :cool:

blatantrereg

Konata wrote: »

Dying to know how they get to this point from the end of 2.0!

Also really surprised by how much of that I understood - managed to get the general gist of what was going on anyway.

Dat Asuka <3

Cc button

johnny_ultimate

blatantrereg wrote: »

Cc button

"Welcome back, Ikari Shinji...."

FUUUUUUUUUUUU......

Hideaki Anno: cinema's greatest storytelling troll.

Konata

blatantrereg wrote: »

Cc button

There weren't any subtitles for it when I first watched it.

Since I'm studying Japanese in college it was a nice boost to be able to understand some it out without the subs anyway

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ALSO! If ANYONE posts spoilers without spoiler tags in this thread, I WILL kill you >_>

Butterscotch

Konata wrote: »

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ALSO! If ANYONE posts spoilers without spoiler tags in this thread, I WILL kill you >_>

I second this.:mad: I am trying my very best here to avoid the amount of spoilers that are being leeked across the internets.

I am liking Asuka more and more.<3

the_syco

Konata wrote: »

ALSO! If ANYONE posts spoilers without spoiler tags in this thread, I WILL kill you >_>

You better not click here then.

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I've seen the series, and the movies of Evangelion, but is Evangelion 2.0 any good?

johnny_ultimate

the_syco wrote: »

I've seen the series, and the movies of Evangelion, but is Evangelion 2.0 any good?

Yes, very very good indeed. Eva 1.0 was basically a HD remake, but Eva 2.0 shoots the series off in really unexpected directions, and has two of the most brilliant individual setpieces of recent years (and I'm talking about cinema in general, not just anime).

johnny_ultimate

Watched it last night, finally. Make no mistake: this is an extremely peculiar, difficult film in so many ways. It takes the plot and characters in directions very, very unexpected.

The overall mood is one of intense melancholia. The series' comedic moments are nearly entirely absent. This is Shinji's film, desperately coping with the unforeseen repurcussions of the last film and finding himself in a basically unrecognisable world. This is the film's most effective gamble, and Anno and his crew find themselves in dialogue with themselves about this whole Rebuild thing, like End of... was. Can you redo? It's indeed the film's dominant question, and one which Final whenever it arrives will surely further address.

There's a lot of exposition - sometimes too much and too dense, even for franchise veterans. The portrayal of the wider cast of characters has already divided viewers, and will continue to do so. They're on the sidelines, acting through ambiguous motivations (plot justified, it must be said, although the plot sometimes is contrived). Asuka and Kaworu come off well, the others don't get a lot of screen time. The effectiveness of this tactic will only be determined in the last chapter.

Still, these are almost inevitable problems in a risky film that naturally doesn't have a full conclusion yet. The animation is beautiful, in glorious 2.35:1. There's a huge amount of interesting material. The soundtrack, while muted, perfectly encapsulates the film's melancholic mood. And in allowing us to occupy the mind of Shinji Ikari, the film goes much, much further than any of the previous films or series (much more elegant than the literally 'in his head' approach previously employed). In that sense it's a big success.

But it's not a film anywhere near as instantly gratifying as the last film was. That's very much the point. There are rough edges, absolutely no doubt. And final evaluation will have to wait until, well, Final, whenever it arrives. But it is fascinating, strange, experimental, maddening: in other words, it's Evangelion, but not how we know it.

blatantrereg

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Watched it last night, finally. Make no mistake: this is an extremely peculiar, difficult film in so many ways. It takes the plot and characters in directions very, very unexpected.

The overall mood is one of intense melancholia. The series' comedic moments are nearly entirely absent. This is Shinji's film, desperately coping with the unforeseen repurcussions of the last film and finding himself in a basically unrecognisable world. This is the film's most effective gamble, and Anno and his crew find themselves in dialogue with themselves about this whole Rebuild thing, like End of... was. Can you redo? It's indeed the film's dominant question, and one which Final whenever it arrives will surely further address.

There's a lot of exposition - sometimes too much and too dense, even for franchise veterans. The portrayal of the wider cast of characters has already divided viewers, and will continue to do so. They're on the sidelines, acting through ambiguous motivations (plot justified, it must be said, although the plot sometimes is contrived). Asuka and Kaworu come off well, the others don't get a lot of screen time. The effectiveness of this tactic will only be determined in the last chapter.

Still, these are almost inevitable problems in a risky film that naturally doesn't have a full conclusion yet. The animation is beautiful, in glorious 2.35:1. There's a huge amount of interesting material. The soundtrack, while muted, perfectly encapsulates the film's melancholic mood. And in allowing us to occupy the mind of Shinji Ikari, the film goes much, much further than any of the previous films or series (much more elegant than the literally 'in his head' approach previously employed). In that sense it's a big success.

But it's not a film anywhere near as instantly gratifying as the last film was. That's very much the point. There are rough edges, absolutely no doubt. And final evaluation will have to wait until, well, Final, whenever it arrives. But it is fascinating, strange, experimental, maddening: in other words, it's Evangelion, but not how we know it.

Glad to see something positive (ish) being said about it. Most people seem so unimpressed that I went from anticipating its release to not bothering to watch it once it was available.

johnny_ultimate

Japanese Film Festival just posted this:

We're planning to make an announcement about the Irish premiere of Evangelion 3.0 in the next few days!

Thomas-G

Wish they'd work to bring us more obscure stuff, pretty much anyone who wanted to watch 3.0 has, other than OMG BIG SCREEN factor it seems like a waste.

PopePalpatine

And here I am, still waiting for info on Final.

johnny_ultimate

Thomas-G wrote: »

Wish they'd work to bring us more obscure stuff, pretty much anyone who wanted to watch 3.0 has, other than OMG BIG SCREEN factor it seems like a waste.

They do bring us more obscure stuff, during their annual Japanese Film Festival where they work with incredibly limited resources. I have seen several excellent, fascinating films at the JFF over the last few years that remain without Western release or promotion (off the top of my head Rent-a-Cat, Rebirth, Just Pretended to Hear from the last fest alone). Access cinema also run plenty of other cinema programmes around the country: within the last month or two they ran a series of films from the Mediterranean / Middle East in several venues around the country, where I was happy to see several interesting films I would not have seen otherwise.

The big screen factor cannot be understated: as a cinema fan, I always welcome big screen airings of films that will not otherwise receive them. The popularity and buzz they receive from it - I'd be surprised if this didn't sell out or manage close to sell out - will hopefully bring people back for the festival proper early next year: big name films are vital to raise awareness to help support those more obscure things which will only attract a fraction of the audience. You'd be amazed how much effort these once off events take to arrange, so it's no surprise at all only big names can justify it.

Sure, the Eva 3.0 screening is belated, but given the farcically short-sighted international approach most Japanese film producers take, better late than never.

Konata

It's just a bit disappointing that it was shown in so many other countries not long after it's release in Japan but we get nothing until now. Same with the Madoka films. The latest was only released 2 weeks ago in Japan but it's already been shown/soon to be shown (I actually can't remember the exact details but I know it's close to release anyway) in many cinemas in America.

Better than nothing at all I guess but still.

johnny_ultimate

Konata wrote: »

It's just a bit disappointing that it was shown in so many other countries not long after it's release in Japan but we get nothing until now. Same with the Madoka films. The latest was only released 2 weeks ago in Japan but it's already been shown/soon to be shown (I actually can't remember the exact details but I know it's close to release anyway) in many cinemas in America.

Better than nothing at all I guess but still.

Don't get me wrong, as a fan of Japanese cinema generally I often tear my hear out with frustration how poorly we're treated in terms of distribution (The Wind Rises, for example, is already receiving American screenings at the moment - I'd wager we'll be waiting a while). But at the same time we're a tiny market compared to US cities, and as previous anime events show - take the Tiger & Bunny screening, for example - anything but the biggest names will seriously struggle to attract anything beyond the committed enthusiast audience. And, alas, the Irish anime enthusiasts are too scattered, too few to support anything more frequent. The situation with live action Japanese cinema is even worse.

I think the few people trying to get anime and Japanese cinema into screens - Access Cinema, Andrew Partridge, Third Window etc... - are doing the best they can given the challenges they face. I'd absolutely love it if we got more films faster, but realistically that's probably more than we can realistically ask for given the level of audience these events tend to attract.

Butterscotch

I am just thankfully to even have anime screenings in our cinemas. This was something I thought would never happen giving how small our fanbase is..