The Curious case of CJ 120MIL

Stev_o

One of the biggest absentences from pre season this far has had to be golden teeth himself Chris Johnson.

With Johnson asking to be made the Leagues highest paid player the Titans are left in a difficult position with their biggest star possibly holding out for the regular season.

So I ask the board. Would you as the Titan GM make him the highest paid player in the League? Or would you throw the dice and go with your current RB's and have quite a large some of money in CAP room for next year.

Personally id give him a modest amount of money and say take it or leave it. As everyone knows it's a QB driven league.

While a good run game is crucial in the NFL at this moment in time it does not equate to spending a good junk of your money on your RB espeically at a time when RB's are a dime a dozen (Just look at the amount of success we'v seen with Undrafted RB's and the lack of success from a good amount of high pick RB's)

boccy23

I would pay him but not the $50M that Larry got.

I would offer him 4 years for $11M and give him $25M guaranteed. Even 4 years is probably 1 too long so I'd front load it and take the salary cap hit. They have $6M this year.
With no heavy QB money, don't think VY is against their cap, and Gabbert only just signed, you have to pay him.

There is a new head coach who deserves to have his best asset on the field to try and stake his job.

tallaghtoutlaws

I would trade his dumb ass to someone stupid enough to pay the money. CJ needs to realise that QB's have now become the most prime players in the league due to the style the game has molded into. Don't get me wrong he is a great back but nowhere near worth as much as an Elite QB or the highest paid player in the league.

LuckyLloyd

Signing Running Backs to mega contract no.2 is usually a bad idea. He might only have another season in him at this level...if even.

matthew8

Does the running back position even matter any more? The superbowl champs relied massively on their passing game and in a division with 3 elite backs and one team who had a mess at the position won it.

LuckyLloyd

matthew8 wrote: »

Does the running back position even matter any more? The superbowl champs relied massively on their passing game and in a division with 3 elite backs and one team who had a mess at the position won it.

FreeOSCAR

Pay him what AP is making. No way should he even get near QB money.

Chucky the tree

I think saying running back position doesn't matter is probably stretching it a bit but I think the value of running backs is dropping a lot. I think taking one in the first round is a bit daft, especially the top 15. If look at the best teams in the league very few of them have big stars at running back.


As for the topic at hand no way would I make CJ hightest paid player.

matthew8

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

That was maybe stretching it a bit but let's take a look at how the best running backs in the league's teams fared.

CJ2K:
Tennessee, 6-10
Peterson:
Minnesota, 6-10
Charles:
Kansas City, 10-6, one and done in playoffs
Foster:
Houston, 6-10
MJD:
Jacksonville, 8-8, even though he had an excellent secondary back

I don't think the position is significant any more.

tallaghtoutlaws

I don't think the position is significant any more.

Ah now I wouldn't go that far to be honest. Running backs play a vital role in any offense just not to the extent of a Elite QB in a pass happy league.

matthew8 wrote: »

That was maybe stretching it a bit but let's take a look at how the best running backs in the league's teams fared.

CJ2K:
Tennessee, 6-10
Peterson:
Minnesota, 6-10
Charles:
Kansas City, 10-6, one and done in playoffs
Foster:
Houston, 6-10
MJD:
Jacksonville, 8-8, even though he had an excellent secondary back

But these teams lacked elsewhere. Basically what you are saying is that those running backs didn't do enough but if you look at their stats they were among the top backs.

You need to find a balance that will win games. All well and good having a guy who will run 2k yards a season when their QB is sh1t or their defense leaks points like an old rusty pipe.

You put any of those backs on the Pats or Packers or Saints and you will be guaranteed a high scoring offense.

Mendenhall with the Steelers is proof of what a balanced offense can do for you especially when the Back is good.

matthew8

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Mendenhall with the Steelers is proof of what a balanced offense can do for you especially when the Back is good.

I would much rather have the Packers offense or the Patriots offense or the Colts offense or the Eagles offense or the Saints offense or the Chargers offense.

The Packers showed you don't need running backs to win.

I would let him go elsewhere and let someone else throw away their money, besides it would be a built in excuse to get Andrew Luck, the elite QB they need. Gone are the days when running backs dominated the league but they are still a good passing weapon.

tallaghtoutlaws

matthew8 wrote: »

I would much rather have the Packers offense or the Patriots offense or the Colts offense or the Eagles offense or the Saints offense or the Chargers offense.

You do realise

The Packers showed you don't need running backs to win.

Really? James Starks was the highest rusher in the Postseason last year with 300+ yards in what 3 games. The Packers led the rushing chart by yardage in the post season last year. They had the 2nd highest amount of TDs on the ground in the post season last year.

Although their rushing was low in the Super Bowl it did get them out of a few jams against what would be considered one of the best run stuffing defenses in the league.

So tell me again the Packers didn't need the run to compliment their passing game and win them games.You do understand that a perfect offense is an offense able to balance the Pass and Run. All of those teams you mentioned had 1500+ yardage on the ground with their backs.

Eagles 5th best
Patriots 9th best
Chargers 15th best
Packers 24th best

The Saints and Colts then were down the bottom because both of them depended far too much on passing and failed defensively but also failed to materialise any formidable balanced offense. They both still racked up over 1400 yards on the ground.

The Packers finished 10-6 last season and many didn't believe they would reach the Super Bowl based on their regular season and the concern was their running game at times. But look what happened when they reached the Playoffs they found their running game, Rodgers was on fire and their Defense stepped it up.

You are nuts to think running the ball doesn't help a team. If you can't compliment your passing game with a solid running game you will fail. Those teams with those solid backs have major issues generally at QB and their defenses.

Hazys

RBs get injured waaaaaaaay too easy and after a muscle tear or leg break, they are half the player they originally were. Its a massive risk to give a long term deal to a RB. They take a ton of punishment, much worse than any player.

I think there has only been 2 RBs who have rushed for 1000 yards in 5 consecutive seasons (LT and Shaun Alexander) in the last 10 years, which is the least of what you expect if you're to give CJ the money he wants. Not to mention CJ is pretty light.

I dont blame CJ for holding out and for putting the Titans in a bad situation, i would. He's basically their whole offense. Hes only guaranteed $12 on a rookie contract, he could go out in week 1 and break his leg and his career as a superstar is practically over. He knows the risks. If it was me i'd act the clown and try and make as much money as i could.

I think the fairest deal for both sides is to make him the highest paid RB, but if i was the titans id just trade him and let somebody else take the risk. Unknown low cost RBs generally do a decent job.

Hulk Hands

FreeOSCAR wrote: »

Pay him what AP is making. No way should he even get near QB money.

As a Vikings fan this worries me. AD is due a new deal next season. He seems like a model pro etc, but if and when CJ gets his new mega deal, Adrian will expect (and probably deserves) to get decent portion up and above that. With the new cap rules it could potentially cripple the vikes if AD decides to throw the toys out like CJ

frostie500

CJ definitely deservers a new deal, he has significantly outperformed his rookie contract and with the risk of injury etc. I can completely understand why he is holding out for more money. If the Titans decide to offer him a deal to make him the highest paid RB in the league he would take it.

No way is a RB deserving of highest money in the league but CJ does deserve a better deal than the money AP in on because he is more versatile in the passing game and has out rushed him in the last couple of years as well.

For anyone saying that the running game doesnt matter anymore you only need to look at some of the top offences-Eagles, Steelers even the Saints and Colts, use a lot of playaction passes and bootlegs which only work if the team has a legit running back.

Obviously the Saints and Colts dont use their RB to the same extent as other teams but they still know the importance of using the position as a decoy(for want of a better word). The Eagles rely heavily on Shady McCoy and in the Brian Westbrook. Coincidently both of these players are in the same mould as CJ-capable of making a big gain on the ground and a danger man in the outfield.

The running back position has changed and now it is not a "ground and pound" position it is a hybrid of WR and HB. Teams need players that can get seperation in the open field and catch out of the backfield. For anyone saying that the RB position doesnt matter do you think that if a player like Marshall Faulk came out in the last draft that he would have fallen outside the top five picks? The position still matters it is just evolving to suit the offences in the league

boccy23

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Signing Running Backs to mega contract no.2 is usually a bad idea. He might only have another season in him at this level...if even.

That's CJs point. He is still playing on his rookie contract plus incentives. He is due to make $1.6M this year. He feels that he deserves his pay day.

No one will trade for him. He will sit for the year and with a rookie Head Coach, now you are tying his hands by depriving him of his best player.

matthew8

Really? James Starks was the highest rusher in the Postseason last year with 300+ yards in what 3 games. The Packers led the rushing chart by yardage in the post season last year. They had the 2nd highest amount of TDs on the ground in the post season last year.

Once they got an average running back they were fine, but there is little point in having these superstars when an average guy can do the job.

Although their rushing was low in the Super Bowl it did get them out of a few jams against what would be considered one of the best run stuffing defenses in the league.

The past 2 superbowls have shown how useless the running game is today. There were only 30 running plays in the Packers-Steelers game and the year the colts played the Saints they had the worst 2 running offenses in the league.

So tell me again the Packers didn't need the run to compliment their passing game and win them games.You do understand that a perfect offense is an offense able to balance the Pass and Run. All of those teams you mentioned had 1500+ yardage on the ground with their backs.

The perfect offense scores the most points.

Eagles 5th best
Patriots 9th best
Chargers 15th best
Packers 24th best

The Saints and Colts then were down the bottom because both of them depended far too much on passing and failed defensively but also failed to materialise any formidable balanced offense. They both still racked up over 1400 yards on the ground.

The year they got to the superbowl they were 31st and 32nd in running the ball.

The Packers finished 10-6 last season and many didn't believe they would reach the Super Bowl based on their regular season and the concern was their running game at times. But look what happened when they reached the Playoffs they found their running game, Rodgers was on fire and their Defense stepped it up.

The concern was half the team was going down injured. It should have been clear after the Giants game that they were the best team in the league because they had an elite QB and the best receiving corps.

You are nuts to think running the ball doesn't help a team. If you can't compliment your passing game with a solid running game you will fail. Those teams with those solid backs have major issues generally at QB and their defenses.

Running the ball helps a team, but any old back will do because it's the guy under center that counts. The notion of running the ball helps and I think that run defense is one of the most important statistics but a guy like CJ2K is not needed.

Stev_o

So to sum it up you don't need a "elite" back to get you to the SB. You just need a maintainable one.

matthew8

Stev_o wrote: »

So to sum it up you don't need a "elite" back to get you to the SB. You just need a maintainable one.

I think the Packers would've made it to the superbowl without Starks. The only teams who would be hindered by their running game have an awful passing game (Cardinals, Seahawks). So Matt Forte, Shonn Greene, Fred Jackson, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Mark Ingram, Reggie Bush, Joseph Addai, Peyton Hillis, Cedric Benson, Ray Rice, CJ2K, MJD, Arian Foster, Jamaal Charles, Darren McFadden, Mike Tolbert, James Starks, Jahvid Best, Adrian Peterson, Ahmad Bradshaw, LeSean McCoy, Steven Jackson, Frank Gore, they all do. Good running backs are a dime a dozen and don't have long enough longevity to justify big contracts, I would be more concerned about safety play than getting a great running back.

Note I didn't say running the ball doesn't matter I just said the position doesn't matter (and by that I meant you don't need a CJ2K and he doesn't make a significant difference). In 2009 the Titans went 0-6 with CJ2K, it was only when they fixed QB that they could win. last year the Vikings offense fell apart despite their elite HB who fixed his fumbling issues because of poor QB play.

neilster

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Ah now I wouldn't go that far to be honest. Running backs play a vital role in any offense just not to the extent of a Elite QB in a pass happy league.



But these teams lacked elsewhere. Basically what you are saying is that those running backs didn't do enough but if you look at their stats they were among the top backs.

You need to find a balance that will win games. All well and good having a guy who will run 2k yards a season when their QB is sh1t or their defense leaks points like an old rusty pipe.

You put any of those backs on the Pats or Packers or Saints and you will be guaranteed a high scoring offense.

Mendenhall with the Steelers is proof of what a balanced offense can do for you especially when the Back is good.

A Frank Gore-like deal possibly ? recognition that he has in the past and probably in 2011 carry a lot of Tennessee's offensive hopes but recognising that there is a big risk for Tennessee with a mega deal

tallaghtoutlaws

matthew8 wrote: »

Note I didn't say running the ball doesn't matter I just said the position doesn't matter (and by that I meant you don't need a CJ2K and he doesn't make a significant difference). In 2009 the Titans went 0-6 with CJ2K, it was only when they fixed QB that they could win. last year the Vikings offense fell apart despite their elite HB who fixed his fumbling issues because of poor QB play.

This makes no sense and I apologise for not grasping what you are saying. YOu have gone from saying that the Position doesn't matter to saying an average would do the job to saying the Packers could have gotten there without Starks who by the way is average to now saying you didn't say running the ball doesn't matter.

Do you not think that is one huge contradiction? Whether your RB is the best in the NFL or a guys who puts up a 1000 yard season the position most certainly matters. Of course the better back you have the easier it is for you then to work with the rest of your offense to compliment such a back.

As for the Titans. Are you now trying to say that because the Titans sucked even with CJ that this is the reason why you say the position doesn't matter? The Titans O-line was sh1t, their QB was sh1t, Their WR struggled and defensively they were poor. They were unable to utilise CJ properly to win games.

Look the NFL is a team sport and to say 1 position doesn't matter is naive at best. Even the Pats and Packers will tell you it does.

Oh and the Packers getting to the Superbowl. Now clear this up for me you say this

I think the Packers would've made it to the superbowl without Starks.

Now are you saying they could have gotten there without a RB or just Starks who as I mentioned already is average at best and by your own definition

Once they got an average running back they were fine, but there is little point in having these superstars when an average guy can do the job.

You agree here that a team needs a runningback. So the position does matter. Tell any coach in football that the position doesn't matter and you will be laughed at. Every coach in the NFL would love a huge RB if they could get one. If opens the door of many possibilities with an Offensive playbook including pass happy offenses.

The Pats in 2007 were prime example of why a back is needed and the position is important. We failed to run the ball and forced Brady to throw all the time and the Giants defense ate them up with that huge pass rush.

Stev_o

Tallaght I think the more overall point is that in the NFL you don't need a College RB who is expected to make a play everytime he touches the ball and go for 10/20 yards. Your looking for a serviceable back who can make positive yards on his carries when he gets the ball whether that be 3/4 yards. Teams then expect the backs to take advantage of certain money plays where they need to make something close to a first down.

tallaghtoutlaws

Stev_o wrote: »

Tallaght I think the more overall point is that in the NFL you don't need a College RB who is expected to make a play everytime he touches the ball and go for 10/20 yards. Your looking for a serviceable back who can make positive yards on his carries when he gets the ball whether that be 3/4 yards. Teams then expect the backs to take advantage of certain money plays where they need to make something close to a first down.

Well that's why I asked because he contradicted himself 3 times. It is clear he said the position didn't matter and as we all agree it does.

On that note though even a pass happy team who is happy enough with a serviceable back would be delighted to have someone like CJ. Teams including those pass happy teams will always look out for guys who can add that extra dimension. One of the reasons most of those pass happy teams i.e Saints, Pats, Packer and Colts dont have absolute studs in the backfield is down to cost. Could you imagine the cap room if you were paying an Elite QB and Runningback on the same team. It is why teams will always look for the serviceable RB

CJ does deserve a raise but not the raise he wants.

darklighter

CJ is having a laugh if he thinks the titans are going to pay him like an elite QB or even in the ballpark of larry fitz.

They've already said they'll make him the highest-paid RB in the league and I dont see them going above that.

If I was CJ, I'd look for guaranteed money in the ball-park of what DeAngelo Williams got and then incentivise on top of that (e.g breaking 2000 yds, 12 TD's, division title etc.) to get towards the money he's looking for.

matthew8

This makes no sense and I apologise for not grasping what you are saying. YOu have gone from saying that the Position doesn't matter to saying an average would do the job to saying the Packers could have gotten there without Starks who by the way is average to now saying you didn't say running the ball doesn't matter.

I messed up my words in my first post, what I should have said and what I meant is that you don't need a running back who is particularly good and that the importance of the position is over-exaggerated.

As for the Titans. Are you now trying to say that because the Titans sucked even with CJ that this is the reason why you say the position doesn't matter? The Titans O-line was sh1t, their QB was sh1t, Their WR struggled and defensively they were poor. They were unable to utilise CJ properly to win games.

What is the point in having a guy like CJ2K, MJD, Peterson or Foster if they don't win games? The idea of a star player is that they win games.

The Pats in 2007 were prime example of why a back is needed and the position is important. We failed to run the ball and forced Brady to throw all the time and the Giants defense ate them up with that huge pass rush.

Really? You're using a team that went 16-0 without good running back play as a reason for needing good running back play?

Also, the Patriots destroyed the Giants defense in the regular season that year.

Stev_o

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Well that's why I asked because he contradicted himself 3 times. It is clear he said the position didn't matter and as we all agree it does.

On that note though even a pass happy team who is happy enough with a serviceable back would be delighted to have someone like CJ. Teams including those pass happy teams will always look out for guys who can add that extra dimension. One of the reasons most of those pass happy teams i.e Saints, Pats, Packer and Colts dont have absolute studs in the backfield is down to cost. Could you imagine the cap room if you were paying an Elite QB and Runningback on the same team. It is why teams will always look for the serviceable RB

CJ does deserve a raise but not the raise he wants.

Of course the cost won't justify the means. Hypothetically if CJ was at the Pats most people would consider it a terrible trade because his cost would over justify the means. He wouldn't be getting the amount of snaps he would in say another team and he'd be expect to do more as a pass receiving RB.

No point paying someone ludicrous amounts of money if your going to spend more of your time passing then you are running.

But of course teams like the Pats would love the idea of bring 8 men into the box just as a deterrent to someone like CJ but of course what does that mean? That's right a pass play.

tallaghtoutlaws

matthew8 wrote: »

I messed up my words in my first post, what I should have said and what I meant is that you don't need a running back who is particularly good.

Fair enough

What is the point in having a guy like CJ2K, MJD, Peterson or Foster if they don't win games? The idea of a star player is that they win games.

The more and more I read your posts the more and more frustrated I become and the more I realise its pointless debating with you. If you truly think a team can just win games with an Elite RB on his own and no support cast it sums you up.

Really? You're using a team that went 16-0 without good running back play as a reason for needing good running back play?

And this here sums you up. The Pats depending on their passing abilities in 2007 without a serviceable RB. I never said good I said and I quote

of why a back is needed and the position is important.

The Pats had no running game at at. The Giants knew that. They pass rushed all game long and disrupted the Pats what they do best. Without a running game we couldn't go to the ground and it was an uphill struggle.

But I will say this had the Pats had someone like CJ in that offense in 2007 the Superbowl would be in New England right now. Many Thought Maroney was a serviceable back and it turned out he wasn't he was poor at best even though he had close to a 1000 yard season.

Without a competent back in your backfield the minute your passing game gets shut down you will find it hard to win games without being able to move the ball on the ground. Now you ask any NFL coach would he love to have AP or CJ in their backfield with Rodgers or Brady and they would say yes 100% if the cost was right.

To say RB dont matter is nonsense.

tallaghtoutlaws

Stev_o wrote: »

Of course the cost won't justify the means. Hypothetically if CJ was at the Pats most people would consider it a terrible trade because his cost would over justify the means. He wouldn't be getting the amount of snaps he would in say another team and he'd be expect to do more as a pass receiving RB.

Exactly but any coach would have the ability to add plays to change that knowing what he has in his backfield. But you are right.

No point paying someone ludicrous amounts of money if your going to spend more of your time passing then you are running.

Yep why most Pass happy teams settle on the best serviceable backs

But of course teams like the Pats would love the idea of bring 8 men into the box just as a deterrent to someone like CJ but of course what does that mean? That's right a pass play.

Exaclty. And this is why the running game is important.

Jordans n Timbs

chris johnson is a f*ckin BEAST



i was sayin that sh*t since he was at east carolina....him and devin hester FTW

Chucky the tree

^ New favourite poster.

Stev_o

Chucky the tree wrote: »

^ New favourite poster.

He's so bold and in your face!

Jordans n Timbs

^hahahha.......

matthew8

The more and more I read your posts the more and more frustrated I become and the more I realise its pointless debating with you. If you truly think a team can just win games with an Elite RB on his own and no support cast it sums you up.

I have seen Troy Polamalu win games for the team, Ed Reed win games for his team, James Harrison win games for his team, Ray Lewis won a superbowl for his team, but CJ2K made no difference once QB controversy started in Tennessee, they only won when they had a good QB situation.

And this here sums you up. The Pats depending on their passing abilities in 2007 without a serviceable RB.

And they went 16-0.

The Pats had no running game at at. The Giants knew that. They pass rushed all game long and disrupted the Pats what they do best. Without a running game we couldn't go to the ground and it was an uphill struggle.

Having no running game didn't stop them scoring 38 points in week 17.

But I will say this had the Pats had someone like CJ in that offense in 2007 the Superbowl would be in New England right now. Many Thought Maroney was a serviceable back and it turned out he wasn't he was poor at best even though he had close to a 1000 yard season.

A better-than-awful player is important in every position.

Without a competent back in your backfield the minute your passing game gets shut down you will find it hard to win games without being able to move the ball on the ground. Now you ask any NFL coach would he love to have AP or CJ in their backfield with Rodgers or Brady and they would say yes 100% if the cost was right.

Of course they would love to have an elite player on their team but looking at the last 2 superbowl winners they both had a weak running game and in 1 case their opponent in the SB had a weak running game and infact if you take Aaron Rodgers off the Packers, guess where they rank in rushing yards? Dead last.

To say RB dont matter is nonsense.

So I've said that I messed up my words by saying that and you acknowledged it, but now you think I still mean RB doesn't matter?

tallaghtoutlaws

matthew8 wrote: »

I have seen Troy Polamalu win games for the team, Ed Reed win games for his team, James Harrison win games for his team, Ray Lewis won a superbowl for his team, but CJ2K made no difference once QB controversy started in Tennessee, they only won when they had a good QB situation.

There is a difference from making a big play in a game to win a game to winning games on your own. And all of those players you mentioned are defensive players in huge defenses and have no relevance to CJ.

And they went 16-0.

Having no running game didn't stop them scoring 38 points in week 17.

Big difference between regular season and the playoffs.

A better-than-awful player is important in every position.

Not sure what you are trying to get at here. But thanks for stating the obvious.

Of course they would love to have an elite player on their team but looking at the last 2 superbowl winners they both had a weak running game and in 1 case their opponent in the SB had a weak running game and infact if you take Aaron Rodgers off the Packers, guess where they rank in rushing yards? Dead last.

:rolleyes: Let me remind you of week 15 last year:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010121913/2010/REG15/packers@patriots/analyze/box-score

Check out the amount of yards the Pack ran on the Pats with Flynn in at QB.

See dude the more and more you respond you are making less sense.

So I've said that I messed up my words by saying that and you acknowledged it, but now you think I still mean RB doesn't matter?

Yes you said that but then go on to continue and contradict yourself to prove your point.

Stev_o

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

:rolleyes: Let me remind you of week 15 last year:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010121913/2010/REG15/packers@patriots/analyze/box-score

Check out the amount of yards the Pack ran on the Pats with Flynn in at QB.

No offence Tallaght but look closely at those stats. Biggest one that jumps out is time of possesion 40 minutes by the Pack.

Which explains Flynns 37 pass plays and Jackson and Kuhns 120 something yards off 28 attempts.

Mean the Pats got nearly 100 yards in half the amount of running plays.

Plus with a second string QB your always going to run the ball regardless of how good you are to take the pressure off of him.

tallaghtoutlaws

Stev_o wrote: »

No offence Tallaght but look closely at those stats. Biggest one that jumps out is time of possesion 40 minutes by the Pack.

Which explains Flynns 37 pass plays and Jackson and Kuhns 120 something yards off 28 attempts.

Mean the Pats got nearly 100 yards in half the amount of running plays.

Plus with a second string QB your always going to run the ball regardless of how good you are to take the pressure off of him.

What difference does that make to the point I was rebuting? He said the Packs running game was ranked the lowest without Rodgers at QB. I threw that up there as they over 100 yards with Flynn at QB. I don't care how long it took them to do it to be honest. Yards are yards no matter what way you look at it. The main point of who was under centre when it happened.

Rodgers missed 1 and half games last season.

matthew8

:rolleyes: Let me remind you of week 15 last year:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010121913/2010/REG15/packers@patriots/analyze/box-score

Check out the amount of yards the Pack ran on the Pats with Flynn in at QB.

See dude the more and more you respond you are making less sense.

I take entire seasons showing that good RBs aren't essential for victory and you take a team with poor running back play that went 16-0 (proving my point) and say that they lost 1 game because of RB play and that's why you need great RBs. The NE-GB game was another isolated incident, 1 game proves nothing.

tallaghtoutlaws

matthew8 wrote: »

I take entire seasons showing that good RBs aren't essential for victory and you take a team with poor running back play that went 16-0 (proving my point) and say that they lost 1 game because of RB play and that's why you need great RBs. The NE-GB game was another isolated incident, 1 game proves nothing.

Can you read? Talk about taking something out of context and up wrong. Where did I say the Pats need a great running back? I was showing that as the importance to having a running game. And honestly I am done debating with you if you can't comprehend what people are replying to you with.

Jordans n Timbs

lol.................

Black Swan

Jordans n Timbs wrote: »

chris johnson is a f*ckin BEAST



i was sayin that sh*t since he was at east carolina....him and devin hester FTW

Chucky the tree wrote: »

^ New favourite poster.

Stev_o wrote: »

He's so bold and in your face!

Jordans n Timbs wrote: »

^hahahha.......

Official Time Out!

This play was called for official review. How about if we get back to playing the game, and not each other?

matthew8

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Can you read? Talk about taking something out of context and up wrong. Where did I say the Pats need a great running back? I was showing that as the importance to having a running game. And honestly I am done debating with you if you can't comprehend what people are replying to you with.

I never said a good running game isn't important.

LuckyLloyd

I sometimes feel that breaking the rules is totally worth it if Black Swan is then going to post a picture of an attractive lady as part and parcel of moderating it!

tallaghtoutlaws

Looks like he caved to a deal. 4 years 53million.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d821e025f/article/johnson-titans-agree-on-fouryear-535-million-extension?module=HP11_breaking_news

Chris Johnson and the Tennessee Titans have found common ground.

The team reached an agreement Thursday with its franchise running back on a four-year, $53.5 million contract extension, $30 million of which is guaranteed.
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NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora reports the new deal will keep Johnson under contract with the Titans through 2016. Johnson will take home $13 million in 2011, a massive bump from the $800,00 he was schedule to earn this season. His $30 million guaranteed will come in the first three years of the deal and he will make $31 million in the first three years.

The Tennessean first reported news of the agreement.

Johnson had refused to report to the team until he received a new contract. The Titans have said they were willing to make Johnson the highest-paid running back in NFL history, but Johnson's goal was to be paid like a top non-QB playmaker.

Johnson has been an impact player since being selected in the first round of the 2008 NFL Draft. He became the fourth player in league history to rush for over 2,000 yards in a season in 2009, and followed that up with another standout season in 2010 in which he finished with 1,609 total yards and 12 touchdowns.

The Titans placed Johnson on the reserve/did not report list Monday, an administrative move that didn't impact contract talks. Johnson had two years left on his previous deal.

The Tennessean reported that Johnson will not be with the Titans on Thursday night when they meet the Saints in New

Syferus

And the day after I drafted him at a lowly 6th too. Thanks, Chris!

darklighter

Was getting worried, I took him 3rd in a draft. Didnt fancy Javon Ringer been 1 of my 2 backs for an extended period of time!

TaosHum

Very good contract IMO for Johnson. Titans needed to get something done, as he is arguably their only playmaker on the offense along with Kenny Britt.

adrian522

I think he fell to 14th in the PPR draft, I was 15th, that was a steal !!

vinny chase

It's a tough situation to be honest, because I can fully understand his position on the whole thing.

He was the only one carrying the whole franchise for the last couple of seasons, and there is no doubt he was vastly outperforming his rookie contract.

Running backs are in a tough position in the NFL because they seem essentially the most replaceable of all positions, and they also seem to have the shortest shelf life because of the pounding they take.

The teams still have so much of the power in this respect. He could have been injured in the morning and the Titans would cut him without a thought, so for one of the elite players of the NFL to seek to protect his interests and hold out like he did I think is fully justified. He's worth more than he was paid to the Titans simply in the people he was bringing through the turnstiles for the last couple of seasons alone.

I think he got the contract he deserved.

That_Guy

$30 million guaranteed according to NFL.com :eek::eek:

Great contract for him... Not sure if it's a great idea overall.

matthew8

Syferus wrote: »

And the day after I drafted him at a lowly 6th too. Thanks, Chris!

adrian522 wrote: »

I think he fell to 14th in the PPR draft, I was 15th, that was a steal !!

Hehehe... suckers. :eek: Wait a second, I drafted Jamaal Charles so I can't talk.

Revisisting this thread to point out how pathetic Chris Johnson has been so far this year. Last year he wouldn't have been in my top 10 running backs. This guy is outrageous. He's hardly even trying. Cut him. Javon Ringer is decent enough.

Syferus

matthew8 wrote: »

Hehehe... suckers. :eek: Wait a second, I drafted Jamaal Charles so I can't talk.

Revisisting this thread to point out how pathetic Chris Johnson has been so far this year. Last year he wouldn't have been in my top 10 running backs. This guy is outrageous. He's hardly even trying. Cut him. Javon Ringer is decent enough.

Javon Ringer's been hardly any better in his opportunities this season. No one should dream of dropping CJ before the Colts game, if he performs then all is right with the world.

If he doesn't get it done there then there's serious questions to answer but before last weekend CJ's stats had been incrementally creeping upwards every single week so there is reason to believe he might be edging towards some level of form now that all the ring rust is off.