Liverpool to get into THIS season's Champions League?!

IRISHSPORTSGUY

:eek:

dalejohnsonESPN
Just hearing Liverpool could be in the Champions League as a result of Fenerbahce being expelled. When a team is expelled UEFA may give the place to the team with the highest co-efficient not currently in Europe. However - no nation can have more than four teams in the Champions League so all may rest on Arsenal losing?

Liverpool look set for a Champions League reprieve, but only if Arsenal slip up against Udinese. More at 6PM

mada999

cant see it happening to be honest.... would it not be another Turkish team through instead?

Eire-Dearg

He's spot on with his point that it'll be given to the highest ranked losing qualifier.

Eire-Dearg

mada999 wrote: »

cant see it happening to be honest.... would it not be another Turkish team through instead?

That'd be like kicking out Fenerbache and reinstating them, most clubs in Turkey are dirty.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

mada999 wrote: »

cant see it happening to be honest.... would it not be another Turkish team through instead?

Hope so. I wanted to be free from Clive Tydsley's 'special nights at Anfield' for another season. :pac:

GLaDOS

I've clearly had my head in the sand, why are fenerbache getting expelled?

This is being tweeted around:

Who will replace Fenerbahçe: "The highest ranked country by coefficient to have their league champions go out at QR4" Atm it's FC København.

UEFA will have to confirm soon, but no-one knows when they'll do that.

Wolfe Tone

Now I really want arsenal to win! :L

ScienceNerd

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I've clearly had my head in the sand, why are fenerbache getting expelled?

Turkish match fixing. Hence why no other team from Turkey

Yakult

I would actually laugh if Liverpool got into the Champions League, would be great tho!

Chucky the tree

Liverpool seemingly have no chance. If Arsenal qualify 4 english teams in which is the maximum, if Arsenal don't qualify they are ahead of Liverpool in the UEFA rankings so they will qualify.

mike65

The rule about the coefficient is not clear, could be that Liverpool qualify regardless of Arsenal result. LFC would be considered "other" rather than England side (5 teams not possible) LFC have highest coefficient of non European footie (CL/EL) sides. Ranked 9th overall on 88.419

UEFA are said to be confirming it at 7.30

Chardee MacDennis

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Liverpool seemingly have no chance. If Arsenal qualify 4 english teams in which is the maximum, if Arsenal don't qualify they are ahead of Liverpool in the UEFA rankings so they will qualify.

the only thing about that is Arsenal were previously entered and have been knocked out, LFC hasnt. not that it makes it likely to happen!

mike65

Checks to see if Ken and Deirdre are engaged, how is the Popes security?

NabyLadistheman

Not only will we get into it - we will win it

dannydiamond

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Liverpool seemingly have no chance. If Arsenal qualify 4 english teams in which is the maximum, if Arsenal don't qualify they are ahead of Liverpool in the UEFA rankings so they will qualify.

It'd be nothing short of a miracle but there could have been 5 English clubs in in 2006 though?

Lukker-

dannydiamond wrote: »

It'd be nothing short of a miracle but there could have been 5 English clubs in in 2006 though?

That is when they changed the rules.

mike65

Right, the BBC say that both teams in Udinese v Arsenal tie will qualify tonight (it think! only half listening.)

flahavaj

mike65 wrote: »

Right, the BBC say that both teams in Udinese v Arsenal tie will qualify tonight (it think! only half listening.)

Not much point in playing the game then.

Won't be confirmed til half seven. Mere speculation til then.

mike65

flahavaj wrote: »

Not much point in playing the game then.

Well if that's confirmed it'll have a strange effect - Arsenals arse will unclench and they may play a decent game of footie!

flahavaj

mike65 wrote: »

Well if that's confirmed it'll have a strange effect - Arsenals arse will unclench and they may play a decent game of footie!

Its a pretty farcical situation though isn't it? Not much point giving any team talk till you hear what UEFA say!

mike65

Typical UEFA ,waiting until the last possible minute before doing something.

MGMTea

Would be hilariously unfair for us to get the spot

Mint Sauce

And there was me thinking we could totally concentrate and winning number 19 without european distraction.

I'm kinda hoping it doesn't happen other wise we'll never hear the end of it. On the other hand I'll be doing cartwheels if by some miracle we got in.

eugeneious

It'll be Trabzonspor. They are the highest rated team from Turkey and the rules say:
'A club which is not admitted to the competition is replaced by the next best-placed club in the same association'

tommyhaas

mike65 wrote: »

Checks to see if Ken and Deirdre are engaged, how is the Popes security?

Who's Prince Charles seeing these day's? Is it serious? Wedding bells maybe?

Looks like Liverpool are not the only one's getting their hopes up

TheBig_Sam notBigSam
Hearing some Turkish side has been expelled from the Champions League & another team will be chosen to replace them. I'm quietly confident.

TheBig_Sam notBigSam
If "innovation", "grit" and "footballing pizazz" are the criteria for being chosen - then get ready West Ham Hammers - we're off to Europe.

flahavaj

eugeneious wrote: »

It'll be Trabzonspor. They are the highest rated team from Turkey and the rules say:
'A club which is not admitted to the competition is replaced by the next best-placed club in the same association'

They're implicated in this match fixing scandal as well apparently!

Talk about a misleading opening post

eugeneious

flahavaj wrote: »

They're implicated in this match fixing scandal as well apparently!

Ah right, didn't know that. We'll just have to wait until 7:30 so.

flahavaj

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14656932.stm

Turkey's Football Federation has withdrawn national champions Fenerbahce from the Champions League because of an ongoing match-fixing investigation.

On Thursday the Turkish side were due to join 32 elite European clubs in the draw for the Champions League group stage being held in Monaco at 1645 BST.

It is unclear how Uefa will replace Fenerbahce, who are suspected of fixing matches to win the Turkish title.

Runners-up Trabzonspor have also been implicated in the match-fixing probe.

They were eliminated in the the Champions League qualifying rounds and are currently in a two-legged play-off to qualify for the group stage of the Europa League.

The decision was taken after the Turkish Football Federation held an extraordinary board meeting on Wednesday attended by Uefa's legal counsel for integrity, Pierre Cornu.

The Turkish match-fixing probe threatened to play havoc with Uefa's marquee club competition, with Fenerbahce having been scheduled to play six group matches from September to December.

Uefa had warned it would kick out any team proved to be involved in match-fixing and wipe its results from the record.

AstonMartin

Oh jesus this could be an epic kick in the balls to arsenal if it works out they dont qualify and liverpool do.

if it turns out liverpool get the spot im heading to the nearest arsenal bar with the liverpool scarf to tell them how unfair the whole situation is.

we will need another striker this week.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Surely it'll be the highest ranked losing qualifer from this week...? Or an promotion for a UEFA cup team?

Marco85

why would liverpool get in? did spurs not finish ahead of them last season no??????????

Arsenal will qualify anyway

Dr Galen

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Surely it'll be the highest ranked losing qualifer from this week...? Or an promotion for a UEFA cup team?

Marco85 wrote: »

why would liverpool get in? did spurs not finish ahead of them last season no??????????

This is UEFA we are talking about here lads. don't be using your logic and all around them, they'll get confused!

flahavaj

Dr Galen wrote: »

This is UEFA we are talking about here lads. don't be using your logic and all around them, they'll get confused!

You can imagine the panic in UEFA HQ right now. 36 minutes to sort out this mess, with both Udinese and Arsenal getting changed and wondering what their fate is, or whether they'll even have to try a leg tonight.:pac:

OK....


IF Arsenal won tonight, would Liverpool get the vacant spot? Them eing the highest co-efficient team not in Europe? I know the rule about more than 4 clubs, but they broke that already for Liverpool the year they came back as Champions. It would be hilarious to see my scouse mates supporting the Gunners!

Liverpool WILL NOT be in the CL. No chance.

Marco85

not a hope of pool getting in? how would other clubs are all over europe that came fourth react if liverpool got in??

Dr Galen

Well thats the question. Would UEFA waive the 4 club rule or not. They'd want to be pretty sure before they barred a club because of it.

If Arsenal lose, I very much doubt they would be let back in. Technically they are in the CL, albeit the qualifiers. I think it was mentioned already, but haven't Copenhagen got a higher co-efficient anyway? So if anyone is going through as a "loser" it would be them?

I'll see if I can dig up those stats

retalivity

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/index.html

Id imagine it would be the highest ranked qualifier who will not have qualified after tonight. possibly arsenal. definitely not liverpool.

I'd imagine the highest placed losers os the qualifiers will have a good chance to get in.

Or is that too obvious for Uefa?

Dr Galen

Ok, just to clarify, Copenhagen do not have a higher co-efficient than Arsenal

1 Manchester United FC ENG 32.575 28.000 28.585 36.671 4.587 130.419
2 FC Barcelona ESP 27.775 28.662 30.585 36.642 4.585 128.251
3 Chelsea FC ENG 28.575 25.000 22.585 26.671 4.587 107.419
4 FC Bayern München GER 22.700 22.537 30.616 24.133 4.533 104.520
5 Arsenal FC ENG 21.575 22.000 25.585 22.671 0.587 92.419
6 Real Madrid CF ESP 14.775 14.662 22.585 33.642 4.585 90.251
7 FC Porto POR 15.585 17.357 21.000 31.760 4.383 90.085
8 FC Internazionale Milano ITA 16.050 13.275 34.085 21.314 4.400 89.124
9 Liverpool FC ENG 24.575 23.000 24.585 15.671 0.587 88.419

flahavaj

retalivity wrote: »

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/index.html

Id imagine it would be the highest ranked qualifier who will not have qualified after tonight. possibly arsenal. definitely not liverpool.

This makes sense.

tommyhaas

Marco85 wrote: »

not a hope of pool getting in? how would other clubs are all over europe that came fourth react if liverpool got in??

So what would be the fairest, practical way of deciding who gets it?

The non-qualifier with the highest coefficient?

The highest coefficient team who have already been knocked out in the qualifiers?

The highest coefficient team who finished one place below CL qualification in their league?

What ever way its decided, people will complain

Liverpool didn't even qualify for the CL ffs.

Thread fail.

Dr Galen

flahavaj wrote: »

This makes sense.

This is UEFA

tommyhaas

tommyhaas wrote: »

So what would be the fairest, practical way of deciding who gets it?

The non-qualifier with the highest coefficient?

The highest coefficient team who have already been knocked out in the qualifiers?

The highest coefficient team who finished one place below CL qualification in their league?

What ever way its decided, people will complain

I'd have to go with the Highest co-efficient team not in the group stages of the CL.
Which means if Asenal beat Udinese, Liverpool would be through?

flahavaj

tommyhaas wrote: »

So what would be the fairest, practical way of deciding who gets it?

The non-qualifier with the highest coefficient?

The highest coefficient team who have already been knocked out in the qualifiers?

The highest coefficient team who finished one place below CL qualification in their league?

What ever way its decided, people will complain

I think they'd complain most if a team that didn't even do enough to get in the EL got in.

The highest ranked team that failed to win their 4th round qualifier would make most sense.