Half Marathon times translating in to Full Marathon times

altercor

Hey Folks,

Im doing a marathon on 2nd October. I ran a half last weekend and got a major stitch that caused me to stop for about 2-3 mins total. I ended up with 86mins, feeling completely fresh at the finish.

Since that was gonna be my indicator as to how Ill fare in the full, any suggestions as to what to expect?

Im following a 70mile per week max program, have done 5 marathons previously (3 last year) and am looking to break 3hrs this time.

Am I on track??

I feel if I clocked an 82 min half I would feel more comfortable but am worried now that I may miss out..

Any advice?? I dont trust those equations that say double your half and add whatever amount of minutes as I dont feel 86 is a valid reflection of where I am.

misty floyd

altercor wrote: »

Hey Folks,

Im doing a marathon on 2nd October. I ran a half last weekend and got a major stitch that caused me to stop for about 2-3 mins total. I ended up with 86mins, feeling completely fresh at the finish.

86 - 3 = 83
completely fresh after an 83mins half = well on for sub 3

You can do it for sure altercor. People have done it with slower half marathons. Best of luck!

village runner

Stopping for 3 min is a good break. What is completely fresh ??? Unless your a sub 2.40 runner you dont run a half in 86 min with a 3 min break and be completely fresh.
why dont you race another half this sunday in oylegate if you are so fresh ???
Best of luck.
I can run a 2.52 and I wouldnt be fresh after a 86 half with a 3 min break in it. I am running each miles at a faster than mp. Thats 2.46 pace.

altercor

village runner wrote: »

Stopping for 3 min is a good break. What is completely fresh ??? Unless your a sub 2.40 runner you dont run a half in 86 min with a 3 min break and be completely fresh.
why dont you race another half this sunday in oylegate if you are so fresh ???
Best of luck.
I can run a 2.52 and I wouldnt be fresh after a 86 half with a 3 min break in it. I am running each miles at a faster than mp. Thats 2.46 pace.

Apologies, obviously I was not 'completely fresh'. I knew I had run a half marathon.. I guess what I was trying to say was that my legs were fine, I felt I could maintain the pace I was running at but for the stitch.

Thanks for the support guys..I'll crack on with training and see how it goes..

As regards the oylegate half this sunday: I actually considered it before entering Clonmel late Sat night! Just a bit too far to travel for me I'm afraid! That and Im scheduled to do a 22 this sunday..Last one, important session!

Thanks for the feedback Village Runner. Hopefully I won't have to take any 3 minute 'breaks' in my marathon!

seanynova

mcmillan would be a good equator, but a lot of people say a sub 84min half is around what you require for sub3 indicator....i would have thought 83mins previously but 84 would cover it id say.
best thing you could do is run a half at marathon pace (7:49m/m ish) and as you have ran multiple marathons before, judge the effort levels against those...alow for a good taper then for the marathon and if all is well you will be right as rain!

altercor

seanynova wrote: »

mcmillan would be a good equator, but a lot of people say a sub 84min half is around what you require for sub3 indicator....i would have thought 83mins previously but 84 would cover it id say.
best thing you could do is run a half at marathon pace (7:49m/m ish) and as you have ran multiple marathons before, judge the effort levels against those...alow for a good taper then for the marathon and if all is well you will be right as rain!

Thanks for that. I've done up to 14 miles at pace in training (14 at pace in a run that is 17 long) and I averaged out at about 6:40 for the 14. I did this on my own, on grass. My head is a bit all over the shop because of the occurence of the stitch and how badly it affected me. I was comfortable at 6:30s for the first 9-10 miles when it hit. To me, you're not capable of a time until you actually clock that time so Im taking it that my half marathon time is 86mins, which worries me!

ThePiedPiper

Altercor,
You are by no means a certainty for sub 3 but in with a damn good shout at it. I clocked 86 in Dublin half marathon last year and could only hit 3.05 in Amsterdam a few weeks later. However a 1.20 on a 1/2 mile short half marathon (=1.23.30 adjusted half) led to a very comfortable 2.58 in February.

Do decent 20-23 mile runs with 10-13 miles at PMP. Take 3-4 gels on board in the race and cross your fingers that you nail it. Best of luck with it.

altercor

RunForestRun wrote: »

Altercor,
You are by no means a certainty for sub 3 but in with a damn good shout at it. I clocked 86 in Dublin half marathon last year and could only hit 3.05 in Amsterdam a few weeks later. However a 1.20 on a 1/2 mile short half marathon (=1.23.30 adjusted half) led to a very comfortable 2.58 in February.

Do decent 20-23 mile runs with 10-13 miles at PMP. Take 3-4 gels on board in the race and cross your fingers that you nail it. Best of luck with it.

Of course! Nothing is certain with Marathon I don't think! Hence my worry! a part of me wants to think that Im capable..I just need to go out conservative (on pace) and be smart. Im only out for something beginning with a 2:xx:xx..Anything below that is bonus points!

I didnt do any 22s at pace.. Im following Douglas and Pfitzingers 55-70 program so the schedule didnt call for that. Plenty of lactate running and now in to the VO2 max stage (11 miles last night with 5 mile warm up @7:20's, 6*1k done at 5:25 pace and a cool down shuffle!). 15 miler tonight..

It'll go to the wire!!

The one thing I've learned is that everybody is different when it comes to marathon though..I just hope I've done enough!

village runner

At what part of hte race did you stop for those 2-3 minutes ??

seanynova

altercor wrote: »

VO2 max stage (11 miles last night with 5 mile warm up @7:20's, 6*1k done at 5:25 pace and a cool down shuffle!

have no idea what you ability is but if you really are a sub3 runner, then those intervals are WAY too fast for someone hoping to break 3hours!

but if you can do them, then good stuff....what is your tempo pace?

altercor

seanynova wrote: »

altercor wrote: »

VO2 max stage (11 miles last night with 5 mile warm up @7:20's, 6*1k done at 5:25 pace and a cool down shuffle!

have no idea what you ability is but if you really are a sub3 runner, then those intervals are WAY too fast for someone hoping to break 3hours!

but if you can do them, then good stuff....what is your tempo pace?

@seanynova: Really?? Too fast?? How so? It would be a small bit faster than 5k pace for me but the recovery means I can get that bit more out of each rep

I had being doing my tempo runs at about 6:15-6:18 per mile, trying not to get lactate building up..

@village runner: it came on at mile 6 (it seemed mild though and I thought I'd be able run through) and it just got worse until mile 10 when it forced me to stop

village runner

Either 5.25 5k pace is too pace or 6.15 is too slow..................I passed you on the way...........I was 33 after 5 amd sped up after that.

TheRoadRunner

All of the above advice while well meaning is based on one race! Have you ran any other races lately? How have your long runs gone lately. On first impressions you look like you have the ability and should be more than able to hit your time assuming you've put the long stuff in.

altercor

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

All of the above advice while well meaning is based on one race! Have you ran any other races lately? How have your long runs gone lately. On first impressions you look like you have the ability and should be more than able to hit your time assuming you've put the long stuff in.

Thanks Road Runner. I havent been doing much racing since the mileage ramped up. Just the speed work that was called for in the schedule. The racing I've done this year:

I don't like sharing race times as it can be taken as a boast (though I have nothing of note to boast about )

5miler in January (after returning from injury) - 31:30
10k in Mid May - 37:10
5k at start of August - 18:18
Half Marathon last weekend - 1:26:30

The 5k and half (I was also dumped last week a few days prior to the half and spent Friday night in the pub ) came after 70 mile training weeks without any kind of taper. I also incorporated the 5k into a 12 mile training run (4 miles before race and 5 after)

My long ones have been going fine. I usually average between 7:20 and 7:30 for the long runs except when MP miles are called for. I always find the long runs weird as they arent so much tiring pace wise as they are mentally as you know you could be running faster.

I find the wednesday 13-15 milers very beneficial and quite tough to be honest after a days work. It is a psychological battle every week to (a) get out in the first place at about 7pm and (b) to finish the full distance. But then again, Im not the first guy to do it and everyone who undertakes to do a marathon makes a massive commitment.

I really appreciate ALL the feedback guys..This has been great!

I hope you all have success with all of your goals this year!!

Ill post my time when I've done the race here so ye can see if it was possible or not!

Roll on the taper!!

TheRoadRunner

Based on the above if I was a betting man I'd say it is definitely possible. Sounds like the work is done and all you need is a bit of luck on the day. What marathon are you running by the way?

altercor

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

Based on the above if I was a betting man I'd say it is definitely possible. Sounds like the work is done and all you need is a bit of luck on the day. What marathon are you running by the way?

Thanks a million! Fingers crossed.

Im doing Cologne, 2nd October. Flat and fast. 10.8m elevation spread across the whole course. Giving myself the best shot anyways with that course. I missed an entry for Berlin and didnt want a package deal.

Training for one yourself? Any goals in mind?

rooneyjm

Well, what time did you get?