Touch and Go's in jets...

pclancy

If you were doing line training in a 737 or A320 at an airfield like Shannon for example, what would be the circuit a jet like that would fly that was doing touch and go's? Would they follow missed approach procedures then be vectored back around to finals?

I'm trying to work out a typical airfield training circuit for a jet but only have personal expereinces of flying circuits in GA aircraft.
What distance would typical downwind legs be?

Must be good fun to do a good few touch and go's in something like a 737

highlydebased

They can either fly as you describe and be vectored for a repeat ILS or else they can fly a visual circuit

pclancy wrote: »

If you were doing line training in a 737 or A320 at an airfield like Shannon for example, what would be the circuit a jet like that would fly that was doing touch and go's? Would they follow missed approach procedures then be vectored back around to finals?

I'm trying to work out a typical airfield training circuit for a jet but only have personal expereinces of flying circuits in GA aircraft.
What distance would typical downwind legs be?

Must be good fun to do a good few touch and go's in something like a 737

Oscar Bravo

I recall seeing a Ryanair 737 doing t and g's at Knock before and it was visual circuts,fairly tight ones at that!

pclancy

Cool. 180kts and legs of approx 3 miles seems the tightest a 737 can easily do it on my PC

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For the likes of base training with airlines it would be visual circuits.

For the likes of a 737:
Take-off, climb ahead and retract the flap to about Flap 5 then commence your turn for downwind climbing up to about 2,000ft AAL.
Get the after take-off checklist done then the descent and approach checklist while tracking downwind.
Abeam the threshold, start the stopwatch and time about 30 seconds(adjusting for head/tail wind), then gear down and more flap.
At about 45 seconds start the base turn and extend more flap. Start descending at around 500fpm and complete the turn on to finals using PAPI's as a guide. Call for landing flap and complete landing checklist.

Remember not to arm the autobrake, speedbrake or select any reverse thrust!

Good fun indeed!

pclancy

Cheers! Makes for a fun circuit allright.

Another Q, should you apply TOGA before you've selected flap 5 or do you have to wait until the flaps have retracted?

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For the first take-off, TOGA would be pressed when ready to commence the take-off roll.
With my company, the Auto-throttle (AT) is left in for the first circuit until on finals where the pilot flying disengages it.
Thrust is then set manually for the remaining circuits so TOGA is not used again.

That answer your question?

tippilot

Don't think that's what he's looking for View Profile.

Toga as a power setting rather than an autothrottle function is what he means I think.

Usually for base training after landing the pilot flying will move the throttles to about 12 o clock(stand them up). The PM will simultaneously retract flaps to 5.

The throttles will then be advanced by the pilot flying. The PM will then set the precice TOGA thrust manually.

sdanseo

From the RYR FCOM (credit to a mate for the links, he pointed me to this thread for the express purpose of sharing):

Nforce

And the full RYR FCOM can be downloaded ->here<- and FCTM ->Here<- right click..save as

John_Mc

tippilot wrote: »

Don't think that's what he's looking for View Profile.

Toga as a power setting rather than an autothrottle function is what he means I think.

Usually for base training after landing the pilot flying will move the throttles to about 12 o clock(stand them up). The PM will simultaneously retract flaps to 5.

The throttles will then be advanced by the pilot flying. The PM will then set the precice TOGA thrust manually.

Thanks for the information. What do you mean by 12 o'clock though? Looking at the throttles from where?

Nforce

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Thanks for the information. What do you mean by 12 o'clock though? Looking at the throttles from where?

As he quoted "Stand them up" ...around 60-70%.

pclancy

Ah yeah i've heard the phrases "Stand em up, Push em up" watching circuit videos online. Good stuff, cheers for FCOM and diagrams, spot on!

APM

The manuals above are very much out of date and the calls in the circuit have changed from the attached file above. "Stand them up" isn't used anymore, in Ryanair anyway

*Kol*

Here's one I was on.

pclancy

So assuming you land at around VREF, how do you calculate how long you will spend rolling down the runway waiting for flaps etc before you reach V1 agan?

Nforce

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The manuals above are very much out of date and the calls in the circuit have changed from the attached file above. "Stand them up" isn't used anymore, in Ryanair anyway

True..but they're the latest versions that can be found on the 'net...for free!:p

pclancy

How many hours would you spend during line training doing circuits?

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About one hour in the sim and about 40 mins in the real aircraft.

However they ususally send up a group of trainee pilots so if there are 6 of you the entire flight may last about 4 hours.
Or as long as the tyres last.:pac:

Nforce

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About one hour in the sim and about 40 mins in the real aircraft.

However they ususally send up a group of trainee pilots so if there are 6 of you the entire flight may last about 4 hours.
Or as long as the tyres last.:pac:

Might be worth it for MOL to pick up a bunch of gaming pc's and the PMDG NGX then!:D