Belfast Tiger Kidnapping, Family end up in Monaghan

Cathal O

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0818/kidnap.html

Another "fundraiser" for the dissidents im guessing, however this is doing wonders for our (Monaghan) tourism

CatFromHue

As long as it's still possible to kidnap someone and get away with 250,000 this will continue.

It should not be possible for someone to simply just walk away from work with that amount of money.

There should be more safety protocols!

Alopex

your thread title makes it seem like the worst part of it was ending up in monaghan.

Wolfe Tone

How is this political? Anyone could have done this, there was a tiger raid on the post office in Drogheda a while back too, 500 grand. Was that also dissidents?

Idle speculation.

KeithAFC

It would not surprise me with these dissident IRA members. PSNI need to deal with them.

Cathal O

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

How is this political? Anyone could have done this, there was a tiger raid on the post office in Drogheda a while back too, 500 grand. Was that also dissidents?

Idle speculation.

Speculation indeed, but isnt that what this board is basically. Anyway, yes i believe most armed raids in ireland (especially northern/border counties) are conducted by people with experience of prior raids and yes i believe that to be linked to the dissidents. I dont think its ridiculous to suggest it.

The reason being is that monaghan doesnt have much, if any of a gang culture, therefore the reason that a safehouse was used in this particular kidnapping would suggest to me that there are locals in monaghan with knowledge of this, and the only people in monaghan with connections to this type of action would be the dissidents.

teol

I lodged a complaint to RTÉ after the last tiger kidnapping of the postal worker in Louth. They had showed video shots of the victims house. Pretty dumb considering everyone in the country would now know they had access to large quantities of cash and now knows where they live. RTÉ had done this on numerous occasions.

Sunnyisland

KeithAFC wrote: »

It would not surprise me with these dissident IRA members. PSNI need to deal with them.

As they must also deal with loyalist drug gangs, Isn't that right keith


http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Fnational-news%2Floyalist-drug-gangs-blamed-for-van-bomb-outrage-368004.html&ei=X5lOTsWwM86yhAe1qKTUBg&usg=AFQjCNEG_ptbw8VVLB3WEiUSe8vr0k3A6Q

R P McMurphy

Cathal O wrote: »

Speculation indeed, but isnt that what this board is basically. Anyway, yes i believe most armed raids in ireland (especially northern/border counties) are conducted by people with experience of prior raids and yes i believe that to be linked to the dissidents. I dont think its ridiculous to suggest it.

The reason being is that monaghan doesnt have much, if any of a gang culture, therefore the reason that a safehouse was used in this particular kidnapping would suggest to me that there are locals in monaghan with knowledge of this, and the only people in monaghan with connections to this type of action would be the dissidents.

Counties Cavan and Monaghan have long since been associated with Republicanism but both counties have experienced a substantial increase in population over the last number of years, predominantly people moving from Dublin. A large number of members of criminal gangs have relocated. Granted most to Cavan but also to Monaghan. The gangs behind the majority of the tiger raids two to three years ago were all resident in one or two towns in Cavan

Alopex

realies wrote: »

As they must also deal with loyalist drug gangs, Isn't that right keith


http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Fnational-news%2Floyalist-drug-gangs-blamed-for-van-bomb-outrage-368004.html&ei=X5lOTsWwM86yhAe1qKTUBg&usg=AFQjCNEG_ptbw8VVLB3WEiUSe8vr0k3A6Q

psni didn't even exist when that article was written

Sunnyisland

Alopex wrote: »

psni didn't even exist when that article was written

Loyalist drug and crime gangs did, and still do as i am sure you are more than aware.

Sunnyisland

Alopex wrote: »

psni didn't even exist when that article was written

Anyway the point is that keithAFC only and always see,s Violence & crime coming from one section of the community, Never has he condemned violence from his Community, not once.

Alopex

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

How is this political? Anyone could have done this, there was a tiger raid on the post office in Drogheda a while back too, 500 grand. Was that also dissidents?

Idle speculation.

I don't think criminal gangs non-connected to loyalists or republicans exist in northern ireland.

loyalists less likely to use a safehouse in monaghan. anyway the poster said he was guessing

Though could be wrong about the overall situation. would be hilarious if it turned out some gang did the northern bank robbery and then got off scot-free because the police only investigated the ira. Suppose a limerick gang did this. they'd come under little police attention because everyone thinks its dissidents

Sunnyisland

Alopex wrote: »

I don't think criminal gangs non-connected to loyalists or republicans exist in northern ireland

Actually there are quite a few who want nothing to do with any paramilitarys from any side, Its all about the money now.

Wolfe Tone

realies wrote: »

Actually there are quite a few who want nothing to do with any paramilitarys from any side, Its all about the money now.

Some would claim the mantle of the IRA for the added weight ofc

Alopex

realies wrote: »

Actually there are quite a few who want nothing to do with any paramilitarys from any side, Its all about the money now.

do you know that for sure? I'd be interested in reading more about criminality without affiliations to paramilitaries if you could provide your source. I just think it likely they are mostly headed by paramilitaries or ex-paramilitaries

Sunnyisland

Alopex wrote: »

do you know that for sure? I'd be interested in reading more about criminality without affiliations to paramilitaries if you could provide your source. I just think it likely they are mostly headed by paramilitaries or ex-paramilitaries

Yep no it for certain,in belfast anyway,I travel to belfast a lot have family there.But unfortunately don't have an official source,There is a younger generation reared without the bombs and bullets who have drifted into criminality and they couldn't give a monkeys about United Ireland's or uk,s,

It should be easy enough to get a source if you know some one there in the community projects,its there for everyone to see.

You can also see it in Dublin where the crime gangs now dont have the same fear factor from the Republicans as they did in the 70,s80,s.

getzls

Hope it wasn't Brendan Lissis after a Price like sisters recovery. Guess not, he was still in.;)

Cathal O

Another reason for suspecting paramilitaries would be the location of the safe house, in castleblaney would be extremely close to the "stronghold" (nothing like before but still a presence) of crossmaglen.
And I dont care what anyone says but there is no properly organised serious criminal gangs that are operating in the north without consent/ or paying "operating tax" to either loyalist or republican groups

Sand

Alopex wrote: »

your thread title makes it seem like the worst part of it was ending up in monaghan.

Well, lets face it of all the places they could have been dumped in the kidnappers put them in a grim and souless spot like Monaghan? Thats adding insult to injury.

steddyeddy

Alopex wrote: »

psni didn't even exist when that article was written

To be honest the ruc were hardly up to the job at the time anyway.