Michael Voris in trouble!!!

PatricaMcKay2

The psycho who ranted about how only Roman Catholics should be able to vote, how global warming is a big pagan misanthropic plot and how great the TEA party fascists are has now oh dear been shown to be less than honest and a tad dodgy. Cant say Im that surprised...:cool:

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/realcatholictvs-voris-had-no-idea-about-internal-problems

tenchi-fan

Do not gloat when your enemy falls;
when he stumbles, do not let your heart rejoice,
or the LORD will see and disapprove
and turn his wrath away from him.

I happen to like Michael Voris's videos! If there were more leaders like him in Ireland the country and church would not be in the state it's in.

PatricaMcKay2

Yeah true my gloating was sinful, however Ireland is in the trouble that its in because of smug hypocrites, so I you actually have your wish!

Baggio1

well i'd say the report shows nothing bad of Voris himself and indeed the most interesting part of the link is the comment left below the so called article,, yehah that sums it up quite nicely

tea party - fascists?? um no more libetarians who adhere to the consitution and bill of rights which usa was founded on

next you'll be saying that nodding doll joe biden and his commy boss obama are really great guys!? ahhaha

psycho??? oh please its embarressing to hear that - how about good man faithful to the full extent of his faith

i like voris's work some great stuff confronting the lazy weak chickened necked liberals in the church and the evils of abortion and homosexuality he says it as it should be oh yeahh--- no bull!

gimmebroadband

Simon Rafe is an immigrant to the United States, he is an adult convert to Catholicism, formerly being what he describes as a "militant atheist". He has apologised on his blog for his writings as a private individual of explicit material for a secular website - nothing to do with Michael Voris! (So gloating can change to eggonface!)

http://proverbs-27-17.blogspot.com/

Seems like the media was waiting for CTV coverage of WYD from Spain to spin this so-called-NEWS! Gee they must be running out of ammo for the CC.



As for CathoicTV non-profit status, it was a file mixup that Michael Voris didn't know about and that it will be rectified when he comes back from Spain. No news here guys....so you can move along!

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/in-defense-of-michael-voris-and-simon-rafe/

gimmebroadband

PatricaMcKay2 wrote: »

Yeah true my gloating was sinful, however Ireland is in the trouble that its in because of smug hypocrites, so I you actually have your wish!

The fullness of the Truth which Jesus handed to Peter and the CC remains as it was for the past 2000 years, regardless of some sinners who deliver the message!! Both Peter and Judas were sinners, yet Jesus still chose them!

prinz

PatricaMcKay2 wrote: »

.... the TEA party fascists...

Last time you referred to someone as a fascist on this forum you left the thread and never backed it up. This isn't the politics forum.

PDN

I have little time for Voris, but as religious scandals go this one seems like a storm in a teacup.

gimmebroadband

That's exactly what it was... a storm in a teacup! Michael Voris has just released a response video!

http://www.realcatholictv.com/response/

Zombrex

PatricaMcKay2 wrote: »

The psycho who ranted about how only Roman Catholics should be able to vote, how global warming is a big pagan misanthropic plot and how great the TEA party fascists are has now oh dear been shown to be less than honest and a tad dodgy. Cant say Im that surprised...:cool:

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/realcatholictvs-voris-had-no-idea-about-internal-problems

Voris seems full of hatred and resentment, I wouldn't be at all surprised if his organisation is dysfunctional.

People like that tend to end up surrounded by others like that. Bad people attract other bad people and so on and so on ...

georgieporgy

Wicknight wrote: »

Voris seems full of hatred and resentment, I wouldn't be at all surprised if his organisation is dysfunctional.

People like that tend to end up surrounded by others like that. Bad people attract other bad people and so on and so on ...

Full of hatred? You gotta be kidding. Resentment? ... I just think you don't like hearing what he has to say.

georgieporgy

Michael Voris renews his consecration to Our Lady. A noble manly act free of guile and duplicity:

http://www.youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV?feature=mhee#p/u/0/aYZYAjYCP_o

Been there. Done that.

Zombrex

georgieporgy wrote: »

Full of hatred? You gotta be kidding. Resentment? ... I just think you don't like hearing what he has to say.

Please :rolleyes:

Practically every video is about how the Catholic church is under attack from all sides, how secularism is evil, how everyone but Catholics are hypocrites, how everyone is out to get Catholics, how Catholics are the only righteous people (see the video on Catholics being the only ones qualified to vote sensibly), how anyone who doesn't tow the conservative Catholic doctrine is destroying Christianity.

There is no attempt at understanding of other positions (Christian or not), no attempt at any form of reconciliation, no attempt at common ground, no attempt to understand why others view Catholicism in a bad light.

He comes across as just a nasty angry person, exactly the opposite of how a Christian is supposed to behave.

gimmebroadband

With all due respect, Catholicsm is one of the main religions that fight against abortion, euthenasia and contraception, all the things that most politicians disregard. It is under this concept that Michael Voris speaks about catholics voting, and he means 'informed' catechised catholics!

The prophets of old spoke with brimstone and fire. After Pentecost the Apostles boldly preached the good news!

The truth must be preached in it's entirety, and one doesn't compromise the truth in order to 'fit' in with other groups.

Zombrex

gimmebroadband wrote: »

With all due respect, Catholicsm is one of the main religions that fight against abortion, euthenasia and contraception, all the things that most politicians disregard. It is under this concept that Michael Voris speaks about catholics voting, and he means 'informed' catechised catholics!

Oh, well thats ok then :rolleyes:

gimmebroadband wrote: »

The prophets of old spoke with brimstone and fire. After Pentecost the Apostles boldly preached the good news!

The truth must be preached in it's entirety, and one doesn't compromise the truth in order to 'fit' in with other groups.

Please point out where the Bible says that "secularists and socialists" are hypocrites, which seemed to be the theme of his last post in Spain.

Voris makes up his own truth to suite his hateful agenda, to "defend" the Catholic church by making out that everyone who isn't a true Catholic are out to get Catholics and that explains all the problems Catholic church is facing.

He is the Catholic version of Lindsy Lohan, it is always someone else's fault. :pac:

prinz

Wicknight wrote: »

He comes across as just a nasty angry person, exactly the opposite of how a Christian is supposed to behave.

In fairness anyone standing by principles such as being anti-abortion comes across as nasty and angry to people who disagree with them. I don't think a Christian is supposed to leave their principles just to be liked better. I'd see it similar to a parent, sometimes a parent has to be the parent to their child rather than the best friend even if that means coming across as the angry, nasty person. You can never be all things to all people.

On a side note Voris comes across as a bit of odd to say the least. Others seem to be slowly side-stepping away from him..

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/world-youth-day-organizers-say-michael-voris-catechesis-not-approved/

Zombrex

prinz wrote: »

In fairness anyone standing by principles such as being anti-abortion comes across as nasty and angry to people who disagree with them.

Sorry that is nonsense. I've no issue with Voris because I don't agree with his principles. Lot of posters here are anti-abortion, they don't come across as nasty.

Nasty people come across as nasty by being nasty, irrespective of what they believe the points behind what they are saying. Voris is one of these people.

prinz

Wicknight wrote: »

Sorry that is nonsense. I've no issue with Voris because I don't agree with his principles. Lot of posters here are anti-abortion, they don't come across as nasty..

That's you. A lot of others don't share your view.

gimmebroadband

prinz wrote: »

On a side note Voris comes across as a bit of odd to say the least. Others seem to be slowly side-stepping away from him..

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/world-youth-day-organizers-say-michael-voris-catechesis-not-approved/

As per usual the media is whipping up something from nothing!

In the response video posted earlier go to 05.35 on the timeline and you will hear Michael Voris discuss the Catholic News Agency 'approval'!

"Being approved isn't necessary, that was a smokescreen charged to make us look bad. Nowhere in the article does it say that there are dozens of "other" groups there that are not approved. They were active in passing out loads of fliers, promoting their own events and causes. A fantastic young pro-life group from Ireland, who received no official approval had a high ranking prelate publicly address them. In the mayhem and chaos of WYD, official approval means absolutely next to nothing on the ground. The press singling us out is beyond ridiculous!"

gimmebroadband

Wicknight wrote: »

Oh, well thats ok then :rolleyes:



Please point out where the Bible says that "secularists and socialists" are hypocrites, which seemed to be the theme of his last post in Spain.

Voris makes up his own truth to suite his hateful agenda, to "defend" the Catholic church by making out that everyone who isn't a true Catholic are out to get Catholics and that explains all the problems Catholic church is facing.

He is the Catholic version of Lindsy Lohan, it is always someone else's fault. :pac:

Preaching the Truth doesn't need defending, you either take it or leave it!! And it might come as a surprise, but Michael Voris articles are in line with Catholic teaching, though his methods may seem OTT.

Zombrex

prinz wrote: »

That's you. A lot of others don't share your view.

Yes but I'm the one saying he is a nasty

Zombrex

gimmebroadband wrote: »

Preaching the Truth doesn't need defending, you either take it or leave it!! And it might come as a surprise, but Michael Voris articles are in line with Catholic teaching, though his methods may seem OTT.

How true what he is saying is or isn't (I've no issue with you agreeing with the doctrine he represents) again I'm not basing my assessment of him being a nasty man from the content of what he is saying, but the snide smarmy hateful way he says it.

His videos are over following with venom and hatred. That is not necessary to say the points he wants to get across. It is an issue of his style, not the substance of what he is saying. I've heard the exact same points from people who aren't filled with hatred.

Getting back to the original point, I'm not surprised that someone who behaves like this is finding himself distanced by others. It is not because he dares to tell the truth or any other nonsense. That is just typical Voris defensiveness. Must be their fault, not mine! It is because Christians don't want to associate themselves with hatred, that is not the purpose of Christianity.

georgieporgy

It's certainly true that Mr Voris has his own unique delivery style. But that's the american way. (eg Fox news or Dr Phil)

But I think his intended audience are practising catholics who appreciate being kept in the loop. I bet he would be chuffed to know he is acquiring a much wider group of followers. A bit like jedward I suppose. You just can't resist them.

Zombrex

georgieporgy wrote: »

It's certainly true that Mr Voris has his own unique delivery style. But that's the american way. (eg Fox news or Dr Phil)

But I think his intended audience are practising catholics who appreciate being kept in the loop. I bet he would be chuffed to know he is acquiring a much wider group of followers. A bit like jedward I suppose. You just can't resist them.

Oh don't get me wrong, he is very entertaining, he is a Catholic Bill O'Rielly (WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!!) or Glenn Beck, my comment wasn't a reflection on whether people watch him or not, just why I'm not surprised their are rumors of dysfunction in his organisation or why people are distancing themselves from him.

gimmebroadband

Wicknight wrote: »

Oh don't get me wrong, he is very entertaining, he is a Catholic Bill O'Rielly (WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!!) or Glenn Beck, my comment wasn't a reflection on whether people watch him or not, just why I'm not surprised their are rumors of dysfunction in his organisation or why people are distancing themselves from him.

I haven't seen any reports where is says that people (and I'm talking Catholics) are distancing from him. I already posted that Michael Voris debunked certain newspaper articles that are sensationalising mis-reportings!

prinz

gimmebroadband wrote: »

I haven't seen any reports where is says that people (and I'm talking Catholics) are distancing from him. I already posted that Michael Voris debunked certain newspaper articles that are sensationalising mis-reportings!

He didn't debunk anything. The CNA didn't sensationalise anything, it simply reported on the status of Voris presumably in response to a question. He accepted he wasn't an officially approved participant, so where is the misreporting?

gimmebroadband

The media singled him out of dozens of others who were in Madrid 'unapproved' to make it look like he was unwanted there or was gatecrashing the party! As for the other reporting, the usual storm in a teacup over nothing!

I like Voris's style, he's not afraid of political correctness - fair play to him!!

prinz

gimmebroadband wrote: »

The media singled him out of dozens of others who were in Madrid 'unapproved' to make it look like he was unwanted there or was gatecrashing the party! As for the other reporting, the usual storm in a teacup over nothing!

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. The article mentioned there had been confusion over the status of their lectures at the WYD. Somebody obviously approached the organisers and asked about this. Organisers answer quite simply, no Voris and pals aren't one of the officially sanctioned participants. No controversy. No sensationalism. There's only so much for the Catholic News Agency to report on after all, so a statement from the WYD organisers is bound to get attention.

ISAW

prinz wrote: »

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. The article mentioned there had been confusion over the status of their lectures at the WYD. Somebody obviously approached the organisers and asked about this. Organisers answer quite simply, no Voris and pals aren't one of the officially sanctioned participants. No controversy. No sensationalism. There's only so much for the Catholic News Agency to report on after all, so a statement from the WYD organisers is bound to get attention.

I dont know the man and am not aware of the issue but as regards anti-catholic singling out of fringe pronouncements the question is this.

does he have any authority in the Church? i.e. in spite of any media spin or his own statements does he have "ordinary power" do his words have an Imprimatur or nihil obstat?

If he does not represent the Roman Church then he can't be said to represent them.
Linking the Roman Church with the Tea Party is also ludicrous because they are more akin to neoconservative American Jews and fundamentalist Protestants.

Hiace.

Wicknight wrote: »

Nasty people come across as nasty by being nasty, irrespective of what they believe the points behind what they are saying. Voris is one of these people.

Ironically, that's quite nasty.

Zombrex

Hiace. wrote: »

Ironically, that's quite nasty.

It is nasty to call someone nasty?

So then you are nasty as well for calling me nasty, no?

Hiace.

Wicknight wrote: »

It is nasty to call someone nasty?

So then you are nasty as well for calling me nasty, no?

Why is Voris "nasty" ? Apart from disagreeing with what he has to say, have you any proof ?

Zombrex

Hiace. wrote: »

Why is Voris "nasty" ? Apart from disagreeing with what he has to say, have you any proof ?

I've already answered that question (a few times) in previous posts. He expresses his views in a nasty embittered manner.

You didn't answer my question btw?

dvpower

@Hiace

Are you new to boards, or is this your 2nd or 3rd or 4th attempt?


Apologies if I'm getting the wrong end if the stick - I'm getting a weird sense of deja vu

Cybercelesta

I like Voris, he pulls no punches and gets to the point. He reminds me of a type of John the baptist speaking to a brood of vipers!

Jumboman

If Voris is so religious I wonder why he doesnt become a priest ? that would give him a lot more authority.

The Jammy dodger

Jumboman wrote: »

If Voris is so religious I wonder why he doesnt become a priest ? that would give him a lot more authority.

We are all called to the religious life Jumbo.

Jumboman

Michael Voris reminds me of Father Coughlin

Benny_Cake

Zombie thread - closing.