Why is Spain allowed to get away with so much animal cruelty?

Worztron

Each year a goat is thrown off a tower in Manganeses de la Polvorosa. Ironically this is to honor a local patron saint.

The cruelty of bull "fighting" is well known.

Retired greyhounds end their days in misery in Spain.

The Running of the Bulls is just pathetic.

Look at the plight of this poor donkey: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/1455596/Ill-sue-Spanish-for-donkey-cruelty-says-animal-lover.html

It does not say much for Catholicism. Why doesn't the Pope condemn this cruelty?

Worztron

Worztron wrote: »

Each year a goat is thrown off a tower in Manganeses de la Polvorosa. Ironically this is to honor a local patron saint.

The cruelty of bull "fighting" is well known.

Retired greyhounds end their days in misery in Spain.

It does not say much for Catholicism. Why doesn't the Pope condemn this cruelty?

I think the pope has his hands full on other issues .

Worztron

Deleted User wrote: »

I think the pope has his hands full on other issues .

But this animal cruelty has been going on for a long time. Why has no Pope ever said one word against it?

Manach

At present, it is unlikely the current Spanish socialist Government are overly friendly to his Holiness.
Historically, the the Church has given a nod towards animal rights via St.Francis. Looking at this BBC site, BBC there is an Papal Encyclical on this, which I never myself knew of.

Bullseye1

A number of Spanish cities have already banned Bull fighting. I don't think we should be pointing our fingers to be honest. Abandoned horses, illegal dog fighting, the huge numbers of dogs dumped in dog pounds/shelters, badger baiting, hare coursing, fox and stag hunting....etc etc.

kildare.17hmr

never heard of the goat bein thrown off the tower, is it alive like?? Thats mad! What happens to the gray hounds? I think bull fighting is good to be honest but seriously what would it matter if the church cared about it??

Discodog

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

never heard of the goat bein thrown off the tower, is it alive like?? Thats mad! What happens to the gray hounds? I think bull fighting is good to be honest but seriously what would it matter if the church cared about it??

Spain takes the torture & killing of Greyhounds to an appalling level - the dogs are still hung alive from lamp posts. The following link contains graphic descriptions:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10506711652

So you think that it is good to torture a Bull before killing it by impaling it with spears ? Barcelona have outlawed Bullfighting & many predict that it will disappear within 20 years.

I think that everyone should "point fingers" - not everyone agrees with the customs, sports & policies here. Strangely countries often react more to external criticism than that made by their own countrymen.

We should all voice our objection to animal cruelty wherever it occurs.

kildare.17hmr

Wont open the link on the phone but ill check it out later when i get a chance. Always liked watchin the bull fighting on the tv when i was younger. Each to their own but i enjoy it

Discodog

Manach wrote: »

At present, it is unlikely the current Spanish socialist Government are overly friendly to his Holiness.
Historically, the the Church has given a nod towards animal rights via St.Francis. Looking at this BBC site, BBC there is an Papal Encyclical on this, which I never myself knew of.

I am not in the least bit religious but apparently these are the rules according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2416 Animals are God's creatures. He surrounds them with his providential care. By their mere existence they bless him and give him glory.197 Thus men owe them kindness. We should recall the gentleness with which saints like St. Francis of Assisi or St. Philip Neri treated animals.
2417 God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom he created in his own image.198 Hence it is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing. They may be domesticated to help man in his work and leisure. Medical and scientific experimentation on animals is a morally acceptable practice if it remains within reasonable limits and contributes to caring for or saving human lives.
2418 It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.

S Connor

A friend of mine went to a bull fight and they threw the poor bulls ear at her!! How can anyone enjoy that?

mikemac

Worztron wrote: »

Each year a goat is thrown off a tower in Manganeses de la Polvorosa. Ironically this is to honor a local patron saint.

Hadn't heard of this before

But I checked several sites through google and each one stated it hasn't happened since 2000 as the local government imposed big fines

So is it still going on?
Maybe this is something that was solved over a decade ago

Worztron

S Connor wrote: »

A friend of mine went to a bull fight and they threw the poor bulls ear at her!! How can anyone enjoy that?

That is despicable.

Worztron

mikemac wrote: »

Hadn't heard of this before

But I checked several sites through google and each one stated it hasn't happened since 2000 as the local government imposed big fines

So is it still going on?
Maybe this is something that was solved over a decade ago

They are probably throwing donkeys and goats off towers in other backward towns and villages.

Mark Twain: "Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it."

Discodog

Many years ago there was a TV program on Salvador Dali. During the program Dali said that he wanted throw live cats off of his tower. When asked why he said it was to let the cats experience flying like birds before they die :mad:

Maybe this throwing off towers thing is "cultural".

terradactyl84

In fairness, the pope and the church have spoken out on these issues before. you need to look to the left-wing government in spain. besides, a lot of the people in spain still clearly support it and vallue it as part of their tradition

**Vai**

Worztron wrote: »

It does not say much for Catholicism. Why doesn't the Pope condemn this cruelty?

Does anyone even listen to him anymore? It should be the government who cracks down on that kind of behaviour, the pope/church has nothing to do with it. They have their own human cruelty issues to deal with.

Worztron

Discodog wrote: »

Many years ago there was a TV program on Salvador Dali. During the program Dali said that he wanted throw live cats off of his tower. When asked why he said it was to let the cats experience flying like birds before they die :mad:

Maybe this throwing off towers thing is "cultural".

I could not post here what I think of Dali without getting an infraction. What an evil &%£*^ sicko. :mad:

Worztron

terradactyl84 wrote: »

In fairness, the pope and the church have spoken out on these issues before. you need to look to the left-wing government in spain. besides, a lot of the people in spain still clearly support it and vallue it as part of their tradition

"value it as part of their tradition" :mad:

What kind of raving loonatics are they to think that is a tradition/custom? It is blatantly evil behavior.

Worztron

**Vai** wrote: »

Does anyone even listen to him anymore? It should be the government who cracks down on that kind of behaviour, the pope/church has nothing to do with it. They have their own human cruelty issues to deal with.

Spain is a predomantly Catholic country so the Catholic has a lot to do with it. All cruelty should be vehemently condemned and dealt with.

**Vai**

Worztron wrote: »

Spain is a predomantly Catholic country so the Catholic has a lot to do with it. All cruelty should be vehemently condemned and dealt with.

Obviously all cruelty should be condemned, no one would disagree with that but what does religion have to do with it? Ireland is a Catholic country but do you honestly think all cruelty would stop tomorrow if the pope said so? Not a chance. He wouldnt even put a dent in it.

rasper

whatever about the pope, surely the EU should have rules for animal welfare, but alas keenly aware we're not the best ourselves but at least we dont torture too many animals for public spectacle, or do we

Worztron

rasper wrote: »

whatever about the pope, surely the EU should have rules for animal welfare, but alas keenly aware we're not the best ourselves but at least we dont torture too many animals for public spectacle, or do we

Absolutely, the EU are a thundering disgrace. If it does not involve profit then they will more than likely ignore it or do as little as possible.

Sadly animals are extremely badly treated in Ireland also and the governments approach is one of disinterest.

rasper

looking at the thousands of unwanted dogs destroyed in Ireland coz idiots are too cheap/ignorant/selfish to spay breaks my heart, licence should be €100 for an unspayed dog and a €1000 for an unlicensed dog.

terradactyl84

Worztron wrote: »

Absolutely, the EU are a thundering disgrace. If it does not involve profit then they will more than likely ignore it or do as little as possible.

Sadly animals are extremely badly treated in Ireland also and the governments approach is one of disinterest.

Your compass is wayyyyyy off target. Try not letting your emotion get in the path of your logic.

Worztron

terradactyl84 wrote: »

Your compass is wayyyyyy off target. Try not letting your emotion get in the path of your logic.

Nonsense. Animal welfare in Ireland IS appalling. It is well known that governments only act at amazing speeds and with great fervor when there is money involved - all other matters are way down the list.