the lure of Everton

thebaz

As a long time Everton fan, I have watched as much smaller clubs, such as QPR today, attract investment , yet no major investment comes to Goodison . my question is, Why ?

every Evertonian knows Kenwright's heart is in the right place , but has little wealth , why is Goodison so unpopular to investors ??

we have a great history, manager , fanbase - without investment , it is only time before Moyes follows Rooney

jesus_thats_gre

thebaz wrote: »

As a long time Everton fan, I have watched as much smaller clubs, such as QPR today, attract investment , yet no major investment comes to Goodison . my question is, Why ?

every Evertonian knows Kenwright's heart is in the right place , but has little wealth , why is Goodison so unpopular to investors ??

we have a great history, manager , fanbase - without investment , it is only time before Moyes follows Rooney

I have often wondered it myself. I wondered it for a long time about Liverpool too.

Nowso

It is a matter of the right guy also. Ie not do what blackburn did

The Volt

http://peoplesgroup.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/the-blue-unions-meeting-with-bill-kenwright/

Very interesting read.

He seems to have an air of arrogance in that interview, and for someone who's supposed to be our 'best fan' he doesn't seem to know much about the ins and outs of the club. It's his club, he owns it so why doesn't he know half the answers to the financial side of it?

He seriously needs to sit down with Elstone and talk things over. There's so many contrasting reports and, despite a couple of clarified things in there (if you believe them), there doesn't seem to have been much in the way of answers.

Couldn't believe the bit about Green either. He's a great advisor, but that doesn't mean he has to be on the board, especially when he's not interested in investing. ****ing hell.

I'm sure most Evertonians have read this now but it's amazing how out of touch Kenwright seems to have become. He claims that one of the major shareholders (who happens to own Topshop) wont invest because it would mean that Liverpool fans wouldn't shop there. He also claims to have never heard of the proposed Football Quarter in North Liverpool.

thebaz

a couple of years ago the guy who owns Planet Hollywood, was meant to be investing , yet today I seam to have a bigger overdraft arrangement , than an established Premier league team , and a supposed big 5

JokerD

You've just described Leeds too, in a great position financially now as we're debt free, not many teams can claim this, but still are without massive investment. Bates has steadied the ship, built us up as a business, developed the stadium and other commercial aspects of the club and we've a squad that came close to a play off position last year.

This is in the long term interests of the club but in the short term it's unlikely that we can compete with a team such as Leicester who've received investment. Leeds is something like the 3rd largest city in England, we have consistent high gates and have a massive fanbase too. Maybe we're been set up as an attractive club for a proposed takeover but for the time being a bit more investment would be nice.

I'm sure you look at other clubs like myself and wonder how they can pay for certain players when their finances aren't supposed to be in the greatest shape.

Maybe we've had offers but it's about finding the correct person too.

Jelle1880

No idea.
Maybe investers are scared that they will be unable to get away from under the shadow of Liverpool ?

I know if I had money to burn Everton would be one of the clubs I'd look at.

flahavaj

Jelle1880 wrote: »

No idea.
Maybe investers are scared that they will be unable to get away from under the shadow of Liverpool ?

Didn't exactly stop the lads buying City did it?

Jelle1880

flahavaj wrote: »

Didn't exactly stop the lads buying City did it?

Not like they're gonna succeed any time soon, is it ?

Zebra3

Man City got investment because they were basically given a brand new state of the art stadium by the British taxpayer.

Clubs in London will find it easier to attract investment because it's "the place to be".

Everton, from what I understand, are seen as having restricted revenue potential because of their ground. Until that's sorted, no randomer is gonna appear throwing money at them.

mike65

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Not like they're gonna succeed any time soon, is it ?

Er yes it is actually!

As for Everton, the whole business is dependent on the stadium, whatever happened to TESCOpark?

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

Man City got investment because they were basically given a brand new state of the art stadium by the British taxpayer.

Clubs in London will find it easier to attract investment because it's "the place to be".

Everton, from what I understand, are seen as having restricted revenue potential because of their ground. Until that's sorted, no randomer is gonna appear throwing money at them.

Exactly, straight away a new stadium has to be built and then there isnt the fanbase to build on imo.

rossie1977

Zebra3 wrote: »

Man City got investment because they were basically given a brand new state of the art stadium by the British taxpayer

if you are an investor and you had a choice between a club who had a brand new 50,000 seater stadium basically in middle of a massively refurbished city centre or a club with a old ground miles from the centre of town in a rundown neighbourhood, i don't think maybe would choose the everton option in fairness, its all about first impressions, city would have got zero investment more than likely had they still be stuck in their old shed out in moss-side

20 Times 20 Times

If I had a spare €100 in the pocket I would invest.

thebaz

the whole stadium debacle is a joke - since 1996 we have been plotting a new stadium , and yet goodison continues to creak - what other club , got fans to vote on a new stadium location, and then forgot to build it - 20 years later we still dont know whether to rebuild Goodison or move - perhaps it is good riddance to Kenwright

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Kenwright will only sell a certain percentage of the club to investors and insists on keeping his shares/power in the club without putting any money in. It has put off a series of very wealthy investors.

flahavaj

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Not like they're gonna succeed any time soon, is it ?

Whether they'll succeedor not the fact that they shared a City withbteh biggest club in England didn't stop their buyers.

As others have said having a ready made stadium was a huge plus too though.

x in the city

thebaz wrote: »

As a long time Everton fan, I have watched as much smaller clubs, such as QPR today, attract investment , yet no major investment comes to Goodison . my question is, Why ?

every Evertonian knows Kenwright's heart is in the right place , but has little wealth , why is Goodison so unpopular to investors ??

we have a great history, manager , fanbase - without investment , it is only time before Moyes follows Rooney

well, i remember wayne clarkE playing so my thoughts are that there is a smoke screen...

things clearly dont add up here as Everton clearly would be a great purchase, even without the huge inventment our neighbours are spending the gap is not as great as many would make believe.

the goodison is $hit argument i am not having any of it.

with sufficent money a new stadium could be built in liverpool im sure, money talks.

just give the cash to the greedy collar workers for liverpool council.

anyway, the total lack of any bids is amazing, i said before i cant see moyes sticking out much more.

even with no inventment he is dragging an Everton side up to 6th 7th.

which is some feat, if he had actually money to spend what would he achieve.

x in the city

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

I have often wondered it myself. I wondered it for a long time about Liverpool too.

ummm the same liverpool awash with investment money for the last decade or so.?

Liverpool, how much have they spent since they last won the league.

a lot i would say...!

x in the city

Nowso wrote: »

It is a matter of the right guy also. Ie not do what blackburn did

well its going on a bit now tbh..

of course blackburns owners are abdsurd but Everton have been looking for owners for years.


Blackburn will go down, sacking sam at the first meeting was an epic fail on the chickens part.

K-9

x in the city wrote: »

ummm the same liverpool awash with investment money for the last decade or so.?

Liverpool, how much have they spent since they last won the league.

a lot i would say...!

An absolute fortune. Liverpool have the worldwide profile, Everton don't.

Liverpool as a city doesn't have the revenue potential Manchester and London have. What there is of it, Liverpool hoovers up, not Everton.

I'd love to see the old days of Merseyside derbies deciding League titles and FA Cups. It isn't going to happen especially when Moyles leaves.

I'm sure Forest and Leeds fans are wondering the same. These days it's all about brand and worldwide exposure, unless you're City of course!

x in the city

K-9 wrote: »

An absolute fortune. Liverpool have the worldwide profile, Everton don't.

Liverpool as a city doesn't have the revenue potential Manchester and London have. What there is of it, Liverpool hoovers up, not Everton.

I'd love to see the old days of Merseyside derbies deciding League titles and FA Cups. It isn't going to happen especially when Moyles leaves.

I'm sure Forest and Leeds fans are wondering the same. These days it's all about brand and worldwide exposure, unless you're City of course!

right, an absolute fortune, but a resolute absence of league titles also apparently...

Lumbo

The reason that Everton have not been taken over is because they are not for sale or at least they are not for sale at a price that anyone wants to pay. The club has been bleeding money for years. Goodison and Finch Farm are mortgaged, we own nothing and we have loan repayments coming out our ears. Bellfield was sold and it looks like the money went to the banks. The club are in a deal for merchandising which is apparently turning a profit but is nowhere near what similar sized clubs receive (Kenwright doesn't seem to know what's happening there either) and it's a similar story with our sponsorship deals. Kenwright has messed up on so many deals that we're know left in a position that clubs are making less then expected offers for our better players, they all know that we don't have a pot to piss.

The details of what he said that was the last straw for me. The man has to go. He hasn't a clue what's happening at Everton and if he did know, he wouldn't have the business sense to sort it out.

K-9

x in the city wrote: »

right, an absolute fortune, but a resolute absence of league titles also apparently...

Obviously. CL, FA cups and Carling cups.

Care to actually address my post and the actual problems Everton face.

As I said I'd love Liverpool to be where league and FA Cups are decided.

x in the city

Lumbo wrote: »

The reason that Everton have not been taken over is because they are not for sale or at least they are not for sale at a price that anyone wants to pay. The club has been bleeding money for years. Goodison and Finch Farm are mortgaged, we own nothing and we have loan repayments coming out our ears. Bellfield was sold and it looks like the money went to the banks. The club are in a deal for merchandising which is apparently turning a profit but is nowhere near what similar sized clubs receive (Kenwright doesn't seem to know what's happening there either) and it's a similar story with our sponsorship deals. Kenwright has messed up on so many deals that we're know left in a position that clubs are making less then expected offers for our better players, they all know that we don't have a pot to piss.

The details of what he said that was the last straw for me. The man has to go. He hasn't a clue what's happening at Everton and if he did know, he wouldn't have the business sense to sort it out.

agree with this...

yabadabado

from what I have been told and read Kenwright is one of the biggest problems preventing the club being sold.The commercial side of the club is supposed to be run shocking bad.

dsmythy

Maybe relegation will lessen the price required for interest.

LondonIrish90

Second club in a grotty city, tip of a stadium, in the second tier of premiership teams when it comes to fanbase.

Bluetonic

thebaz wrote: »

As a long time Everton fan, I have watched as much smaller clubs, such as QPR today, attract investment , yet no major investment comes to Goodison . my question is, Why ?

every Evertonian knows Kenwright's heart is in the right place , but has little wealth , why is Goodison so unpopular to investors ??

we have a great history, manager , fanbase - without investment , it is only time before Moyes follows Rooney

You clearly don't have a clue.

No offence.

Bubs102

Maybe he just isn't trying to sell the club. The more premier league clubs that get sold the more valuable Everton become. Suply and demand and before someone says that 3 new clubs are supplied every year none of them offer the stability that Everton does. Wait for everyone else to sell and cash in.

Lumbo

Bluetonic wrote: »

You clearly don't have a clue.

No offence.

I believe that Kenwrights heart is in the right place, I've met him before and he has a great love for the club.

It's his brain I'm worried about. The transcript of that interview shows he's no idea how to get the club out of the trouble it's in. He's an old school chairman who got by on gate receipts and a good cup run, footballs not about that anymore.

The Volt

Reports now suggesting that he and the club are taking out legal advice because of the way that the interview was handled. Looks really good doesn't it? A club suing its' own fans

x in the city

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Second club in a grotty city, tip of a stadium, in the second tier of premiership teams when it comes to fanbase.

LOL at the rose tinted view.

define second tier...

is that a sky sports big 4 term?

Everton have always had steady support and one of the best away support of any team.

invinciblePRSTV

x in the city wrote: »

LOL at the rose tinted view.

define second tier...

is that a sky sports big 4 term?

Everton have always had steady support and one of the best away support of any team.

He probably means Everton are old fashioned in that the majority of their support comes from the NW of England, as opposed to the 'top 4' and their legions of supporters who live 9 time zones away who are willing to pay top dollar/yen for tacky merchandise.

Lumbo

Voltwad wrote: »

Reports now suggesting that he and the club are taking out legal advice because of the way that the interview was handled. Looks really good doesn't it? A club suing its' own fans

You know what? What "The Blue Union" done was very underhanded and I've no sympathy for them. Complete amatures and you won't see any meetings like this happening for a long time. It's similar to KEIOC saying that they were going to call for continous EGM's, the club just pulled the plug on them.

Whatever the reason for getting answers, you have to show some level of professionalism.

aidan24326

Zebra3 wrote: »

Everton, from what I understand, are seen as having restricted revenue potential because of their ground. Until that's sorted, no randomer is gonna appear throwing money at them.

I think you're right about that. Goodison is one of the oldest and most rickety grounds around, and even teams in the championship have far better stadiums. That should be their first priority, a new stadium along the lines of what Bolton and Man City now have.

Moyes has worked miracles in keeping Everton up near the top 6 on a shoestring budget, would be interesting to see what he could do if given a few quid to spend.

The Volt

Lumbo wrote: »

You know what? What "The Blue Union" done was very underhanded and I've no sympathy for them. Complete amatures and you won't see any meetings like this happening for a long time. It's similar to KEIOC saying that they were going to call for continous EGM's, the club just pulled the plug on them.

Whatever the reason for getting answers, you have to show some level of professionalism.

Kenwright has been promoting the "We're desperate" line for years, in fact it has become a mantra for him. Everton's apparent desperation has been clear for all to see for a long time, it's practically become our USP: Little old Everton punching above their weight.

We are desperate, which is why changes need to be made.

And someone who fabricated the Fortress Sports Fund and dealt us all the Kirkby nonsense can stop crying and shut up as far as I am concerned.

People may not agree with the how Blue Union went about recording their meeting with Bill Kenwright and I can see their point. But I don't agree that this is some disaster for those who want to bring about change.

The reality is things can't get any worse. Everton Football Club is, under the current stewardship, a bumbling mess, which seems to be constantly fire fighting to avoid collapse.

What is required is regime change. We need a board brought in with the sole purpose of finding a suitable and credible buyer. Kenwright ruled this out stating there is nobody better than him to sell the club. Quite clearly this is nonsense, as he has apparently been looking for years with no progress. The current hierarchy have their heads in the sand. You only have to listen to Elstone to know that. If we were to get a fans parliament, so what, if the current board remain in place. At least now the national media are putting an end to the crap that Everton is some guiding light in how to properly run a football club. This recent development has also educated fans who may not have been fully aware of our plight and, in my view anyway, increases the pressure on the board and our CEO. It also drives home, on the bigggest stage, the idea that we are in need of saving, which you can only hope will reach a prospective investor... you can only hope.

Crazy Horse 6

As a fan of Liverpool it pains me to see a great club like Everton in the situation they are in. Moyes has in fairness to him worked wonders at the club just keeping them in the top half season after season. I'm afraid i really fear for their future when he leaves to take up the United job which is his most likely destination. The stadium issue is a joke and needs a conclusion for them to move forward in any shape. I've been to goodison several times over the last 10 years and it really is in terrible shape. For the sake of football in Liverpool i hope they can get it sorted soon enough.