15 Players from each county

dundalkfc10

Someone told me last night at a GAA meeting, there is 15players from every county in Football just as good as any other county.

Do you agree?

Clareman

100%, there are 15 hurlers in each county as well, the problem is the skills aren't honed and a lot of players won't have the drive to do what it takes. It's a bit like saying that within every block of marble there's a statue of David waiting to be released

davegrohl48

So handpicking from divisions 2/3/4 can give you as good a team as Kerry/Dublin for instance?
Maybe. You'd have to trawl through a lot of teams to know. Who knows if Waterford have a class corner back. He won't stand out too easily with his half back line getting pulled apart and his team being beaten at midfield.
Some good players in division 4 last year. Donal Shine, Leighton Glynn.
Picking from division 2 you end up with plenty top class footballers.

keane2097

lol no

Mr. Incognito

You are only as good as the players around you.

To improve you have to play with good players.

To play with good players from an early age you need a system in place that encourages excellence so players are playing with players at a high standard.

Kerry has a system of amalgamating small clubs best players for the county championship so people like Bryan Sheehan and Maurice Fitz, Paul Galvin etc that play with small clubs get to play with much higher quality players.

Colm Cooper has been playing with the Kerry panel since he was under ten- playing with the best players at every age group- same with Declan O'Sullivan.

Dublin made strides in Hurling when they recognised this an implemented this system at underage level all the way up.

As for picking out 15 "good" players in a county randomly that have not played at a high level and suddenly expecting them to be a great team without learning to play with good players around them?

It's horse sh*t of the highest order.

Mike Frank Russell was a typical example- was a star on every team he was on and a flop for Kerry because of one failing- He would never pass the ball to a man in a better positions because he was accustomed to being the star and had never learnt to trust his team mates growing up because they were never at the same standard.

keane2097

Mike Frank Russell a flop!?

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

The man has 5 AI medals!

Big Ears

This topic reminds me of the TG4 reality series 'Underdogs', did they ever win one of those matches does anyone know ?

Mr. Incognito

Yeah they beat Kerry in a replay in 04 when Kerry were the all Ireland champs

Donaghy had been drafted into midfield for the under dogs and that's how he ended up on the panel.

And yes. Mike Frank was a flop- compared to what he was capable of if he passed the ball.

Dionysus

Clareman wrote: »

It's a bit like saying that within every block of marble there's a statue of David waiting to be released

hehe. There's a poet waiting to get out there, Clareman - move aside Brian Merriman!

bruschi

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

You are only as good as the players around you.

To improve you have to play with good players.

To play with good players from an early age you need a system in place that encourages excellence so players are playing with players at a high standard.

Kerry has a system of amalgamating small clubs best players for the county championship so people like Bryan Sheehan and Maurice Fitz, Paul Galvin etc that play with small clubs get to play with much higher quality players.

Colm Cooper has been playing with the Kerry panel since he was under ten- playing with the best players at every age group- same with Declan O'Sullivan.

Dublin made strides in Hurling when they recognised this an implemented this system at underage level all the way up.

As for picking out 15 "good" players in a county randomly that have not played at a high level and suddenly expecting them to be a great team without learning to play with good players around them?

It's horse sh*t of the highest order.

Mike Frank Russell was a typical example- was a star on every team he was on and a flop for Kerry because of one failing- He would never pass the ball to a man in a better positions because he was accustomed to being the star and had never learnt to trust his team mates growing up because they were never at the same standard.

dont think the op has phrased whatever question properly.

is it 15 players just as good as any county?

or 15 players who would form a team to beat another county?

If you were to pick Dublin say, would you not think there are 15 other footballers in Ireland who would be as good as those 15? ie match up keeper for keeper and so on. I would think so. It'd be like an All star list without Dublin.

whether or not they would beat Dublin is another question which obviously would be doubtful, but its not exactly conclusive either.

Mountainlad

davegrohl48 wrote: »

So handpicking from divisions 2/3/4 can give you as good a team as Kerry/Dublin for instance?
Maybe. You'd have to trawl through a lot of teams to know. Who knows if Waterford have a class corner back. He won't stand out too easily with his half back line getting pulled apart and his team being beaten at midfield.
Some good players in division 4 last year. Donal Shine, Leighton Glynn.
Picking from division 2 you end up with plenty top class footballers.

Funny you mention that really. Tomas and Mauric O'Gorman, twins on the Waterford football team, who play full and corner back respectively have come in for high praise, most notably I heard second hand that the manager of the Munster inter-provincial team a few years ago (a selector for Kerry at the time) said that they'd get on any team in the country.
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I don't think I agree with the theory in question. Maybe at one stage players had the potential, but are you saying that the Leitrim forward line is as good as Kerry's? Can't see that. If there is supposedly 15 as good as any other county, why isn't there 20 or 25? I believe that in every county you get a few players who are top class, but the further up the divisions you go up the more you find on each different team.

^^ Response to Op

gaelic cowboy

If you just picked the 15 at random you might be on to something.

Using the same methods etc they could win, the result would be random also most likely.

dundalkfc10

I mean 15 players from Louth that are as good as 15 in Dublin.
15 in Clare that are as good as 15 in Kerry etc...
every county has 15 players that are as good as any 15 from another county

boxer.fan

I would say hypothetically, No, however any given group of players can "click" in the right circumstances. When all the right boxes are ticked at once, ie. management, fitness, motivation, teamwoork etc, anything is possible.

A couple of top quality individuals would rarely overcome an average team with focus and direction.

Cill Dara Abu

Big Ears wrote: »

This topic reminds me of the TG4 reality series 'Underdogs', did they ever win one of those matches does anyone know ?

Only for that programme Kieran Donaghy might never have played for Kerry.

And I would say to the OP that for every 15 that is on any given county team there is another 30 players that were just as good but for different reasons, drinking, women, smoking, injuries, emmigration, etc they never had the discipline required to play for their county.

bruschi

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I mean 15 players from Louth that are as good as 15 in Dublin.
15 in Clare that are as good as 15 in Kerry etc...
every county has 15 players that are as good as any 15 from another county

no, would definitley disagree with that. if there were 15 players as good as Kerry in Clare, then Clare wouldnt be as ****e as they are. they just dont have the talent to match what Kerry have.

maestroamado

That's definately correct considering that only little more than a handful of counties have ever won an all Ireland title.

That's a line the great Pat Spillane uses alot on the tele but if there was a hint of proof in it someone like "Micko" or Nicky Harte or the said "Spillane" would win an all Ireland with say Leitrim and imagine the PR that would for the gaa and the ego of the said manager.

Clareman

It's not just about getting a manager in, it's about getting the players to want to play as well. The Clare footballers in the early 90s won a Munster title, an All Ireland B, played division 1, contested a league semi-final because there was a will to win and do what it took to get to the next level. John Maughan instilled a belief not only in the players but the county that they could do what they wanted, people wanted to play for the team and be part of the squad. The Clare team than won in 92 wasn't the best set of Clare teams, there were a few players that refused to play as well as injuries, but thanks to the structures put in place at under age (Noel Walsh was instrumental in setting these up) and 30 players will to go through hell to win.

Counties with a great history of winning don't have to worry about instilling the belief that they are good enough, they don't have to beg players to come out to train, they don't have to put massive effort into putting in structures, they are all there already.

Mr. Incognito

maestroamado wrote: »

That's definately correct considering that only little more than a handful of counties have ever won an all Ireland title.

That's a line the great Pat Spillane uses alot on the tele but if there was a hint of proof in it someone like "Micko" or Nicky Harte or the said "Spillane" would win an all Ireland with say Leitrim and imagine the PR that would for the gaa and the ego of the said manager.

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I'm pretty sure that nearly every county has won an All Ireland bar three or something- Armagh and Tyrone were chalked off in this decade. All bar a handfull have NOT won an All Ireland

maestroamado

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

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I'm pretty sure that nearly every county has won an All Ireland bar three or something- Armagh and Tyrone were chalked off in this decade. All bar a handfull have NOT won an All Ireland

Your right i had forgot about the counties Tyrone. Derry, Donegal and Armagh who have all win the football in the last 20 years.
Before they won the total number of winners was a handful +1 thereby 6
The total now is 10 and that will not change this year.

Thanks

bruschi

maestroamado wrote: »

Your right i had forgot about the counties Tyrone. Derry, Donegal and Armagh who have all win the football in the last 20 years.
Before they won the total number of winners was a handful +1 thereby 6
The total now is 10 and that will not change this year.

Thanks

did I read correctly that you were at the last 25 AI football finals? yet you actually think that only 10 counties have ever won an All Ireland title. Seriously?

there have been ten different winners in football the last 25 years, and 7 in the hurling. and that is only in the last 25 years, never mind since 1884.

Mountainlad

19 teams have won it apparently.

maestroamado

Mountainlad wrote: »

19 teams have won it apparently.

I was talking of the teams that have won since i nstarted going to finals.

Thanks

Mountainlad

maestroamado wrote: »

I was talking of the teams that have won since i nstarted going to finals.

Thanks

maestroamado wrote: »

That's definately correct considering that only little more than a handful of counties have ever won an all Ireland title.

That's a line the great Pat Spillane uses alot on the tele but if there was a hint of proof in it someone like "Micko" or Nicky Harte or the said "Spillane" would win an all Ireland with say Leitrim and imagine the PR that would for the gaa and the ego of the said manager.

Well I think you can understand how some people might have misinterprted that.