The U

bobby wade

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...e-Shapiro.html

Time for the death penalty?

Stev_o

bobby wade wrote: »

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...e-Shapiro.html

Time for the death penalty?

What?

Hazys

There no point in even disiplining the Hurricanes...every team does it and every team will continue to do it. SMU were given the death penalty, what did that prove?

NCAA needs to overhaul the whole system and come up with something more workable and realistic even if it means paying the players a salary.

Syferus

They're never going to issue another death penalty after the complete destruction it wrought on SMU, who only in the last few years - about 20 years afterwards - have even approached being consistently competitive again.

TaosHum

They wont get the death penalty, but they will be hit hard. I'd expect a similar type of sanction that USC got.

frostie500

TaosHum wrote: »

They wont get the death penalty, but they will be hit hard. I'd expect a similar type of sanction that USC got.

It should be much stiffer than the USC penalty, the U's issues are clearly more deeply rooted than the ones at SC. Look at the sheer numbers, over 70 players involved, and its clear that the U will have to be very harshly punished. Taken in light of the issues of recruitment and boosters offering incentives in the early and mid 90s and its clear that Miami never cleaned up their act.

A lot of the issues affecting colleges are rooted in the archaic NCAA rulebook but until the rules change there is clear cause to punish the U, and any other team, to a huge degree

TaosHum

frostie500 wrote: »

It should be much stiffer than the USC penalty, the U's issues are clearly more deeply rooted than the ones at SC. Look at the sheer numbers, over 70 players involved, and its clear that the U will have to be very harshly punished. Taken in light of the issues of recruitment and boosters offering incentives in the early and mid 90s and its clear that Miami never cleaned up their act.

A lot of the issues affecting colleges are rooted in the archaic NCAA rulebook but until the rules change there is clear cause to punish the U, and any other team, to a huge degree

Oh they deserve to be hit harder all right. It's far worse than what USC got done for, but I dont think they will be punished as hard as they should be the NCAA. They certainly wont get the death penalty. Maybe something like Baylor received a few years ago?

As for the system, it is in need of drastic change. How to change is the question.

jack presley

Anybody who thinks this isn't going on in the majority of colleges (although maybe not to this extent) is deluding themselves.

Between the BCS (let's not go there until December!!) and payments/benefits to players, the whole thing is a joke.

Black Swan

TaosHum wrote: »

They wont get the death penalty, but they will be hit hard. I'd expect a similar type of sanction that USC got.

USC only had Reggie in football (and one basketball player that was cited), while the U has several players involved. I would suspect that they will come down much harder.

Raze_them_all

God dammit people post articles with the links!

Fecking page just will not load

Lirange

Black Swan wrote: »

USC only had Reggie in football (and one basketball player that was cited), while the U has several players involved. I would suspect that they will come down much harder.

This is vastly worse than the USC case. You could argue that other recent flare ups were worse than the USC case as well. But this simply defies belief:

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When the University of Southern California was hit with strong sanctions after the Reggie Bush-scandal, the Chairman of the NCAA Committee on Infractions, Paul Dee, said “high profile players demand high-profile compliance.” But, if the allegations against the University of Miami are proven by the NCAA, Dee may go down with one of the biggest gaffes in college football history. The reason for this is Paul Dee was the athletic director at the University of Miami while Nevin Shapiro allegedly ran wild.

What a clown. :pac: :rolleyes:

When USC was originally punished I thought it was a tad on the harsh side of fair. Now I believe the NCAA is selective, inconsistent, and yes potentially even biased. I'm speaking about the punitive process. I'm not even getting into the complete farce that is the NCAA's amateurism policy.


"Just this year Ohio State was able to avoid a lack of institutional control charge by arguing only then-head coach Jim Tressel knew of violations within the program. North Carolina was able to do the same by cordoning blame solely on associate head coach John Blake."

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Yet the hammer was dropped on USC when the crux of the case involved a brief convo on a mobile between the damn quarterbacks coach and that sports marketing twat Lloyd Lake. His defence was that he was calling from a short list of numbers given to him by Bush when he was trying to find out why Reggie had not shown for a team meeting. That QBs coach Todd McNair has since filed a lawsuit against the NCAA. Many said USC should have known about Reggie's rule breaking. But consider this: Most of the benefits went to Bush's parents. They lived in San Diego, 130 miles from the USC campus. Those benefits did not come from USC. Nor did they come from a university booster supporting the football programme (as is the case with The "U"). They came from Lloyd Lake, a parasite, and wannabe sports marketing guru. Like Bush's family he resided in San Diego where he developed a relationship with Reggie's parents. He had no affiliation with USC. He was only interested in cutting in line to sign a lucrative future NFL star on the promise of his future professional earnings. These other cases actually involved alumni, fans, and boosters providing benefits to players in order to benefit the programme they support. The USC case was different altogether

Should USC have tapped Reggie's phones and sent spies to stake out his parents in San Diego? The NCAA had no tangible evidence that anyone on USC's staff or the team besides Reggie would even recognise Lake if they ever encountered him. Ultimately Bush violated his amateur status. One could make an argument that championships should be taken away because he was ruled retroactively ineligible. But to punish future teams, players, and the programme with a two year bowl ban and snuffing out scholarships was simply not justified let alone consistent with the NCAA's other punitive actions lately. Ohio State skates away with limited damage because only the freaking head coach knew?!

raven136

There is a lot of proof missing from these allegations i think:

http://t.co/qXFRoo2

http://t.co/n6GG65h

Lebatard has written well about this.Every major college is doing it and "Trying to patrol the drugs trade with a mall cop"

Lirange

raven136 wrote: »

There is a lot of proof missing from these allegations i think

Such as? You haven't seen the proof. I haven't seen the proof. Neither of us are in a position to evaluate the evidence never mind ascertain what is "missing." We do know that at least 72 athletes are under investigation. That's a massive number. The journalists claim to have seen extensive and unprecedented evidence in the form of receipts, credit card slips, financial statements, etc and the yahoo investigators recorded phone interviews with players which are not going to be publicly released anytime soon but have been played for other journalists. Given the recent track record of these investigations those speculating that the allegations are baseless or exaggerated might be clinging to a faint hope at this stage.

raven136 wrote: »

Lebatard has written well about this.Every major college is doing it and "Trying to patrol the drugs trade with a mall cop"

The first link you posted is simply a defence of the university president not the football programme, the compliance department, or the Athletics director(s). In the end as far as the Miami athletics department is concerned her level of negligence/culpability is immaterial as it's unlikely to affect the punishment meted out to the football team or other sports.

The second link was a post by Tommy Craggs, a known hothead. As for Dan Lebatard he writes for the Miami Herald. The valid points he does make have already been extensively covered by the very Yahoo investigators Craggs criticises (Robinson/Wetzel). They have consistently been making those same arguments for the last couple years only far more eloquently. They have repeatedly stated that the system is flawed, the players are being exploited, and that the NCAA are hypocrites. They continue to reiterate the same message in the wake of this hot mess: See here.