Rechecks/Appeals 2011

partyatmygaff

It looks like I'll need to appeal two subjects. I know the process but what I don't understand is how it all ties in to the CAO. If the appeal results are out in Mid-October won't that be far too late to have any effect on my CAO offers?

caroline1111

If theres place in the course you'll be offered it there and then, otherwise they'll offer it to you for next year.

Taco Chips

Hi, I'm in the same boat as you. Got 550 + 170 in the HPAT. 720 overall. On the verge for Galway. I'm hoping to bump a few A2s to A1s.

If your grade in a subject is moved up from an appeal and as a result your points increase taking you over the threshold for your course, then you will be entitled to a place. Where it gets tricky however is with regards to Medicine. Because demand is so high, all the places on the course are usually filled by the time the repeat results come out. What the colleges usually do in that circumstance is offer you a place for next year. (2012)

Fingers crossed though I might get Galway. Anxious wait until Monday. Best of luck!

DaveMur1

Is there any point in appealing languages??? Teacher told me today they rarely go up because the tape it's often just brought down more, last thing I needs an F in my results.

partyatmygaff

irish_man wrote: »

God partyatmygaff has been a poster on the LC forum for the last ages and it took you this long to come up with this hilarious pun.

Take a bow you comical genius! :P

It's my namesake after all

DaveMur1 wrote: »

Is there any point in appealing languages??? Teacher told me today they rarely go up because the tape it's often just brought down more, last thing I needs an F in my results.

I don't think so. Just check your marks and only appeal if you're borderline pass. I really hope things work out for you. Getting 590 and then losing out because of bloody Irish is a horrible thought.

DaveMur1

partyatmygaff wrote: »

It's my namesake after all


I don't think so. Just check your marks and only appeal if you're borderline pass. I really hope things work out for you. Getting 590 and then losing out because of bloody Irish is a horrible thought.

Thanks man, I'll have a look at it so, if it's close i'll get it checked,I suppose nothing to lose really.

TheFullDuck

DaveMur1 wrote: »

Is there any point in appealing languages??? Teacher told me today they rarely go up because the tape it's often just brought down more, last thing I needs an F in my results.

Really? I was gonna appeal Irish and French! Hugely disappointed with my B3 came out of that exam expecting a lot more. I only need 10/15 points to get my course too I think.

Rabbitandcavy

I failed pass maths, I might appeal it, there is no where to go but up I figure.

DaveMur1

TheFullDuck wrote: »

Really? I was gonna appeal Irish and French! Hugely disappointed with my B3 came out of that exam expecting a lot more. I only need 10/15 points to get my course too I think.

Yeah,If you have nothing to lose you may as-well go for it, but supposedly results go down because the tape is only replayed and the examiner's personal opinion of you has no influence.

Taco Chips

Very few results are down graded. Out of the 10,000 appeals last year only 8 were moved down.

totothejuggler

here.. I have a serious problem... the dates of the rechecks are the same as electric picnic... which i have to go to because im doing the tour de picnic... what should i do just appeal without getting them checked ???

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Taco Chips wrote: »

Very few results are down graded. Out of the 10,000 appeals last year only 8 were moved down.

And I'd be willing to bet most of those were bright enough to appeal in the subjects where they were closer to the lower grade.

I'll be appealing this year again, fcuking A2 in phys-chem stopping me from getting my first choice, was full sure I got the A1 too, added to that I got an A1 in it last year I'm shocked! Good luck to everyone appealing, but don't expect your results to go up, that way you won't be disappointed!

rainbowtrout

DaveMur1 wrote: »

Is there any point in appealing languages??? Teacher told me today they rarely go up because the tape it's often just brought down more, last thing I needs an F in my results.

Was it an actual F grade or do you mean a fail which was actually an E grade? Because if it's an F, you are at least 15% away from passing so probably unlikely to be brought up.

Janet1986

How do i appeal?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Janet1986 wrote: »

How do i appeal?

That'll all be explained the day you view your scripts. Simple process, just fill out a form and pay the forty quid.

LimboPanto

totothejuggler wrote: »

here.. I have a serious problem... the dates of the rechecks are the same as electric picnic... which i have to go to because im doing the tour de picnic... what should i do just appeal without getting them checked ???

I've the same problem - thought my French and Biology grades ought to have been a bit better. But there's no way in hell I'm missing the Picnic!

totothejuggler

LimboPanto wrote: »

I've the same problem - thought my French and Biology grades ought to have been a bit better. But there's no way in hell I'm missing the Picnic!

yah same with my maths and phys/chem... what we gonna do.. might just come back up to look at them or send them off without looking ... its a tricky one to be sure

Manc Red

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Just eight.

Wow Really? I think I will be appealing at least two of my results then. I was worried that the figure would be much higher. Why can't the correction people do their job properly? :rolleyes:

partyatmygaff

Manc Red wrote: »

Wow Really? I think I will be appealing at least two of my results then. I was worried that the figure would be much higher. Why can't the correction people do their job properly? :rolleyes:

It's incredibly annoying really. I especially hate the fact we have to wait until well after the offers are made to even view our scripts let alone receive our appeal results.

C__MC

If my result was downgraded could i still keep my original grade??

partyatmygaff

C__MC wrote: »

If my result was downgraded could i still keep my original grade??

Nope.

StrawDub

I am a mature student who resat higher level leaving cert Irish, if you get a recheck do they check the tape also? and can you only move up one grade or two? thanks

partyatmygaff

Does anyone know what happens in the case of incorrectly added marks? Say they neglected to add a section of an exam to the total marking. Are applications like that processed any quicker?

dambarude

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Does anyone know what happens in the case of incorrectly added marks? Say they neglected to add a section of an exam to the total marking. Are applications like that processed any quicker?

Anything involving addition of marks needs to be appealed as far as I know. The only case that will be resolved immediately is if the mark on the front of your paper hasn't been inputted correctly (which does happen occasionally).

DaveMur1

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Was it an actual F grade or do you mean a fail which was actually an E grade? Because if it's an F, you are at least 15% away from passing so probably unlikely to be brought up.

It was an E, still though alot of people don't seem too positive the result would go up.I suppose the worst that can happen is I get downgraded to F ,best case pass. Is it true that 38% will be enough for a pass?

rainbowtrout

Manc Red wrote: »

Wow Really? I think I will be appealing at least two of my results then. I was worried that the figure would be much higher. Why can't the correction people do their job properly? :rolleyes:

They do. Correctors are human too and do make mistakes. They make every effort to correct papers without this happening, but mistakes can happen just as they do in other parts of life. Try correcting 400 papers without making a single error.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

It's incredibly annoying really. I especially hate the fact we have to wait until well after the offers are made to even view our scripts let alone receive our appeal results.

Papers have to be sent back to schools. Students have to submit applications to view scripts, those scripts have to be removed from the packs they were in orginally. When viewed by the student they have then to be sent back to the SEC for recorrection. The school have 10 days to do this and some schools are slow at it. You can't just have a 24 hour turnaround time. However if you are upgraded and it means you would have got a higher preference in the CAO at least you are guaranteed a place on the course.

Also remember the teachers who correct during the summer are back at school when the appeals come through, they are working full time. They can't just drop everything so appeals have to work around that too.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Does anyone know what happens in the case of incorrectly added marks? Say they neglected to add a section of an exam to the total marking. Are applications like that processed any quicker?

It still goes through the same process. When you are viewing a script you will be given a form on which you can write comments, either of the type where you think that you should have got marks for a part and you didn't or if you thought a question was added up incorrectly or if you thought a section wasn't added into your total. It's always best to write down what you think the discrepancy is to highlight it for the examiner. If the total was wrong and a section was left out, it will be added in and you will receive the improved mark.

DaveMur1 wrote: »

It was an E, still though alot of people don't seem too positive the result would go up.I suppose the worst that can happen is I get downgraded to F ,best case pass. Is it true that 38% will be enough for a pass?

Well if you were on 38% I'm sure the examiner would have looked at your paper to see if there was anything there that could have brought you to 40. Still it's worth going to view it anyway and then you can make a decision on it.



Just a word on appeals. Do work out how far you are away from the next grade band before appealing. I've seen rants before on here of the type 'I should have got 6 extra marks' and many students equate a few extra marks with a change in grade. It often isn't. If you are on 83% and get a few extra marks that bring you to 84%, yes your marks go up but you are still on a B1 overall. So make sure that the marks you think you are entitled to are likely to bring you into the next grade band. Appealing on 81% is going to be hard if an extra 4% to bring you to an A2 is the equivalent of 20 extra marks on the paper.

curly from cork

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Ok points wise (fingers crossed ) for primary teaching but a D1 in Irish. At worst its 5 % off the required C3 . Is this a huge jump to expect a re check to bring up ?

dambarude

curly from cork wrote: »

o
Ok points wise (fingers crossed ) for primary teaching but a D1 in Irish. At worst its 5 % off the required C3 . Is this a huge jump to expect a re check to bring up ?

You need to go and view your scripts to know. As Rainbowtrout said, you could be fair close to or very far from making it up to a C3.

There's a difference of 30 marks between the bottom mark for a D1 and the bottom mark for a C3. Unless some question wasn't corrected you'd be unlikely to gain a full 30 marks. But if you were only 6-10 marks or some such you'd have a better chance.

The problem with viewing your Irish script is that you won't know how you did in your oral, so it's not as clear cut as other subjects.

curly from cork

Thanks Dambarude one more question , will they take only the written paper into account when re checking ?

dambarude

No, the whole thing is rechecked. That's what the tape is for.

LilMissCiara

I was gonna view my business and maths but I'm not so sure now, just because I got my UCAS course (and will take it) and have enough for my CAO... Still would be nice to know if I deserved better (and I think I do). I know it costs nothing to view them but like the effort! :P

dambarude

Go look at them. It costs nothing, and otherwise you might always wonder whether you should have done better. Surely you can spare an hour to do it?!

Is there any actual point in me appealing? I got 470, the course I want (1st choice) was 475 last year and I'm guessing ittl be the same this year too. There are a couple of exams I think could go up but is it just a waste of money considering we will already be in uni by the time we get our appeals back and won't be able to do anything about it..

dambarude

AdamD wrote: »

Is there any actual point in me appealing? I got 470, the course I want (1st choice) was 475 last year and I'm guessing ittl be the same this year too. There are a couple of exams I think could go up but is it just a waste of money considering we will already be in uni by the time we get our appeals back and won't be able to do anything about it..

There is of course. You'll be offered a place in the course if you reach the points level, and you could be accommodated in it by starting a few weeks later. If not, you might be offered a place in the same course starting next year.

I'm not too bothered if I'm offered it next year 'cause if i'm 5 off this year the bonus maths points would get me it next year if I disliked my 2nd choice and wanted to reapply. Are you sure they give you the course if you reach the points?

dambarude

Yes (unless there was random selection on that points level, in which case it's not 100% certain).

If you're upgraded and reach the points you'd be guaranteed a place for next year if you didn't take it up this year. If you entered through open competition again next year (which is what you're speaking of with the bonus maths points) you would NOT be guaranteed a place.

I'm not worried about next year, is more the question: Is it worth checking when I may only get an offer for next year not this year? Or which offer is more likely? This year or next (after rechecks), assuming I go up of course.

dambarude

It depends on the course, and when the college starts back. Some colleges don't start until October, so you mightn't have missed to much if you only got in after appeals. In others (e.g. the one I'm in) college starts September 5th. You'd have missed two months, so starting in September of next year might be the only viable option. Also, some courses have limits on how many students can be in them, so they might not be able to accommodate you until next year for that reason.

Aaron547

where can i find this form for rechecks i cant see any in my brown envelope?

mrboswell

Ask in the school as they may not have put it in the envelope.

randylonghorn

AdamD wrote: »

I'm not too bothered if I'm offered it next year 'cause if i'm 5 off this year the bonus maths points would get me it next year if I disliked my 2nd choice and wanted to reapply. Are you sure they give you the course if you reach the points?

Do remember that you won't be the only person getting the bonus for HL Maths, and points for some courses are likely to rise as a result.

Also, if you take your second choice, complete the first year, re-apply and do first year again (i.e. in a different course), you will be caught for a year's full fees.

If you take your second choice and drop out pretty quickly, this won't apply.

funnyname

A friend was working in the exam centre in Athlone this year. One of the things he noticed when checking the totals on the corrected papers was that some of the totals were the same as the last 3 digits of the exam number. He mentioned this to his boss but the boss said as long as the total was within a specified range then all was ok.

Example

candidates exam no was xxxx123 (ps I don't know the format of exam numbers, just an example)

total mark for corrected paper was 123/300

He noticed this for 3 papers in a row.

All I would say is get your paper corrected if you are unhappy with your result as mistakes do occur when the total is put down.

randylonghorn

randylonghorn wrote: »

Do remember that you won't be the only person getting the bonus for HL Maths, and points for some courses are likely to rise as a result.

Also, if you take your second choice, complete the first year, re-apply and do first year again (i.e. in a different course), you will be caught for a year's full fees.

If you take your second choice and drop out pretty quickly, this won't apply.

Yeah I understand, this would be on the off chance I really dislike it.

BOHtox

Am I able to view my answers and the corrections before I get it re-corrected?

randylonghorn

BOHtox wrote: »

Am I able to view my answers and the corrections before I get it re-corrected?

Yes, the first step is to view the papers. It is advisable to bring someone with you, preferably a teacher of the subject and ideally one who corrects / has corrected.

Then you can decide whether it is worth getting any papers re-checked officially.

LilMissCiara

I'll have moved to Scotland by the time we can view our scripts so obviously I won't be able to view them. I'm disappointed with maths and business so I'm wondering should I just leave it considering I have my course or should I go ahead and apply for a recheck?

shive25

I appealed 3 papers last year - chemistry, ag science, and biology and I went up a grade in all 3. When I went to look at them I was shocked - especially with ag science - it looked like a drunk child had marked it. The totals hadnt been added up right and I found at least 15 - 20 marks that they had just 'forgotten' to add in. Also they hadnt taken my best questions just added the first ones they saw. I went up when I appealed it. I think its really bad though that you cant appeal the mark for your project - why not it makes no sense. You never even find out what you got and same with orals - very annoying!!

eVeNtInE

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Vodkat

shive25 wrote: »

I appealed 3 papers last year - chemistry, ag science, and biology and I went up a grade in all 3. When I went to look at them I was shocked - especially with ag science - it looked like a drunk child had marked it. The totals hadnt been added up right and I found at least 15 - 20 marks that they had just 'forgotten' to add in. Also they hadnt taken my best questions just added the first ones they saw. I went up when I appealed it. I think its really bad though that you cant appeal the mark for your project - why not it makes no sense. You never even find out what you got and same with orals - very annoying!!

The main reason the ag. science project cannot be remarked is because they have been already handed back to students and adjustments may have been made to improve it over the summer.

rainbowtrout

shive25 wrote: »

I appealed 3 papers last year - chemistry, ag science, and biology and I went up a grade in all 3. When I went to look at them I was shocked - especially with ag science - it looked like a drunk child had marked it. The totals hadnt been added up right and I found at least 15 - 20 marks that they had just 'forgotten' to add in. Also they hadnt taken my best questions just added the first ones they saw. I went up when I appealed it. I think its really bad though that you cant appeal the mark for your project - why not it makes no sense. You never even find out what you got and same with orals - very annoying!!

It's been said a million times. Examiners can have an off day and looking at the same answers over and over again can lead to mistakes.

As for your project query. Your teacher has graded it, an external monitor has also monitored it. So effectively you have been graded twice on the project. You do not need a third check on it.

shive25

I do understand that people can have an off day and that looking at hundreds of scripts but to appeal 3 subjects and all 3 were changed is a little worrying!
Ya I just think you should be able to appeal it so maybe they should keep the projects just incase.
I know they have both looked at it but I still think there should be an appeals process for grumps like me who aren't happy