Signal Breaking Up on Astra 19.2 - Multi Sat Setup

mossy464

Hi All,

I have an 80cm dish with two lnbs, one for Astra 1 and 1 for Hotbird.

Astra 1 is the focal sat and in the last month or so its unwatchable as it keeps breaking up.

Signal strength is high but tends to drop then when i go to watch it. Some TPs worse than others.

Im trying to figure out whats causing it and i was thinking it my be a bush that has grown in the last few months, its about ten feet away from the dish and has plenty leaves that move in the wind but from what I can see there is clear line of sight and i tried to raise the dish up the pole a bit to clear the bush but still the same problems.

No issues with hotbird whatsoever. Any idea what else could be causing the interference?

Sorry if im being a bit vague.

polyfusion

I'd swap LNBs, just to eliminate them as the cause initially.

If you still get the same issues with Astra 1, maybe try temporary moving the complete setup to a place where there shouldn't be any issue with obstructions.

You say the bush is "about ten feet away", but how much does it rise above the level of the bottom point of the dish? Dishpointer has a marker that you can place to determine the height (above bottom of dish) an obstruction can be at a given distance from the dish. I know that it's accurate down to about 13 feet distance, as I've verified the signal on 5W being unobstructed by a wall, and then lost when I moved a polystyrene board above wall height beyond the height given by dishpointer to obstruct the signal. It's not an exact science (the calculations are, placing the makers exactly isn't), but will give you a good idea, and if you find that you're near the threshold, it's likely to be causing the problem (if all hardware checks out ok).

Hotbird is coming in at a steeper angle, so maybe it's just not being affected yet. Dishpointer says that at a distance of 10 feet, an obstruction can be 4.7 feet high for 19.2E; for Hotbird, it's 5.1 feet.

mossy464

Cheers, il try swap the lnbs anyway first and see if this changes anything.

snaps

also check diseqc switch

mossy464

Cheers. I also have some suspicions about the switch, its always been dodgy as one of the ports doesnt seem to work at all and the config on the box doesnt match exactly to the layout of the ports on the switch.

i.e. Port 1 - Not Port A on receiver config. DM800 receiver.

mossy464

Well it was the lnb.. Replaced it with a new one I had lying around. Problem sorted.

Thanks for the advice.

Another question, anyone know the cheapest place to get those thin lnbs so I could get 16 east as well.

Also, could I fit these it on my current lnb holder?

The one i have is this one:

http://cgi.ebay.ie/TWIN-MULTIFEED-23mm-40mm-SOILD-PLASTIC-LNB-HOLDER-/330601542179?pt=UK_ConEle_SatCableFreeview_RL&hash=item4cf9633223

banie01

mossy464 wrote: »

Well it was the lnb.. Replaced it with a new one I had lying around. Problem sorted.

Thanks for the advice.

Another question, anyone know the cheapest place to get those thin lnbs so I could get 16 east as well.

Also, could I fit these it on my current lnb holder?

The one i have is this one:

http://cgi.ebay.ie/TWIN-MULTIFEED-23mm-40mm-SOILD-PLASTIC-LNB-HOLDER-/330601542179?pt=UK_ConEle_SatCableFreeview_RL&hash=item4cf9633223

If you want 16e, you're really going to have to change your dish for bigger.
I have it on a multisat setup on a Triax TD88, and even with 16e as prime focus my SNR on that bird is @54% and gets totally wiped out in rain.
There is a new Satellite being launched soon for 16e but if its going to 'necessary' for you a 1mtr dish is the minimum you need for reliable reception.

As for the thin LNBs you have 2 options really Inverto Multiconnect or ALPS, I use an Inverto at 16e in my setup but that was due to already having some LNBS in place and space being tight (I've found the inverto suffers badly from rain fade)

If I was setting up again I'd go for 3 ALPs at 13,16,19 rather than my my Frankendish solution :P
But hey my setup works and grew over time so it was added as I went
The LNB holder you linked is ok to use to add offset LNBs to the prime focus, I've seen those used for upto 10degree offsets.

mossy464

banie01 wrote: »

If you want 16e, you're really going to have to change your dish for bigger.
I have it on a multisat setup on a Triax TD88, and even with 16e as prime focus my SNR on that bird is @54% and gets totally wiped out in rain.
There is a new Satellite being launched soon for 16e but if its going to 'necessary' for you a 1mtr dish is the minimum you need for reliable reception.

As for the thin LNBs you have 2 options really Inverto Multiconnect or ALPS, I use an Inverto at 16e in my setup but that was due to already having some LNBS in place and space being tight (I've found the inverto suffers badly from rain fade)

If I was setting up again I'd go for 3 ALPs at 13,16,19 rather than my my Frankendish solution :P
But hey my setup works and grew over time so it was added as I went
The LNB holder you linked is ok to use to add offset LNBs to the prime focus, I've seen those used for upto 10degree offsets.

Cheers for the reply.

I think I may leave off adding 16 so for the moment so.

I would need a whole new setup really like a full triax kit. I have one of those Lidl 80 cm dishes from a few years ago. Does the job but takes a battering in the wind.

Id like to add a 3rd sat though if possible, any other sats worth adding that I could get on my current dish.

I already have 28 on a sky dish so thats ok.

banie01

mossy464 wrote: »

Cheers for the reply.

I think I may leave off adding 16 so for the moment so.

I would need a whole new setup really like a full triax kit. I have one of those Lidl 80 cm dishes from a few years ago. Does the job but takes a battering in the wind.

Id like to add a 3rd sat though if possible, any other sats worth adding that I could get on my current dish.

I already have 28 on a sky dish so thats ok.

Well you already have 13' 19' and the other main sats that 'might' be attainable would be 7e' 9e'(Could always wait for a Ka Band LNB and get Saorsat) Which has lots of Russian and German stuff on it,16e' and 23.5e'

On an 80cm Lidl dish I think you could pull in a lot of 23.5 as if your focus is at 19 its only a 4 degree offset....
I wouldn't be confident of reliable reception of much greater than 10degrees on that dish....
That said the Ka band spot beam for Saorsat on 9e could be achievable as its fairly high powered from what I've read.

mossy464

banie01 wrote: »

Well you already have 13' 19' and the other main sats that 'might' be attainable would be 7e' 9e'(Could always wait for a Ku Band LNB and get Saorsat) Which has lots of Russian and German stuff on it,16e' and 23.5e'

On an 80cm Lidl dish I think you could pull in a lot of 23.5 as if your focus is at 19 its only a 4 degree offset....
I wouldn't be confident of reliable reception of much greater than 10degrees on that dish....
That said the Ku band spot beam for Saorsat on 9e could be achievable as its fairly high powered from what I've read.

Cheers, I may look into adding saorsat but think 13, 19 and 28 cover all i need really.

Almost every EPL game every weekend so cant complain.

So do you need a special lnb for saorsat? When you say saorsat, I presume your referring to saorview ya?

banie01

mossy464 wrote: »

Cheers, I may look into adding saorsat but think 13, 19 and 28 cover all i need really.

Almost every EPL game every weekend so cant complain.

So do you need a special lnb for saorsat? When you say saorsat, I presume your referring to saorview ya?

Saorsat is the Irish channels via digital satellite.
It is received via Satellite @9e' on Ka band, Most other Satellite services in Europe are on the Ka band necessitating the different LNBs.

Saorview is a terrestrial broadcast received by Aerial and compatible mpeg4 tuners.

mossy464

Cool, so what sort of lnb would be required for saorsat?

banie01

A Ka band LNB, none for sale yet as far as I know, but they are due soon.
I think some folks are currently using american direcTV 1s or homemade/modified for Saorsat
See more here http://www.saortv.info/satellite-saorsat/saorsat-reception/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saorsat

mossy464

Also thinking of upgrading my dish, coming into the winter as the weather gets worse and its gets more windy, the lidl dish takes a battering.

Its so unstable, any bit of wind and you can see it wobbling, and depending how strong it obviously affects reception.

Any recommendations for a more stable dish in the wind? Triax maybe?

My Lidl one isnt even up high or anything, its on the side of a shed but still takes an awful battering.

banie01

mossy464 wrote: »

Also thinking of upgrading my dish, coming into the winter as the weather gets worse and its gets more windy, the lidl dish takes a battering.

Its so unstable, any bit of wind and you can see it wobbling, and depending how strong it obviously affects reception.

Any recommendations for a more stable dish in the wind? Triax maybe?

My Lidl one isnt even up high or anything, its on the side of a shed but still takes an awful battering.

You can't really go far wrong with a Triax. Great dish, sturdy and reliable.
I have a multisat set up on a TD88 pulling in 7e,9e and 10e on 1 LNB(Sats.xml edited to place all TPs on position as an experiment, might add some sort of secondary reflector to get 7e in stronger) 13e, 16e, 19.2e, 23.5e and 28.2.....8 sats on 6LNBs and 1 dish :cool:
Apart from 16e suffering badly from rain fade in poor weather(My dish is really too small) its a great setup.

But if you want to build in some expansion, you can't go wrong with a TD110, great dish and will hold 16e in any weather

iba

mossy464 wrote: »

Cheers, I may look into adding saorsat but think 13, 19 and 28 cover all i need really.

Almost every EPL game every weekend so cant complain.

So do you need a special lnb for saorsat? When you say saorsat, I presume your referring to saorview ya?

Hi Mossy,

When u say u r getting nearly every single EPL Game every weekend, is this on FTA and on which sat, 13, 19 or 28 please and thank u?

Hope 2 hear from u.

Regards

Iba

banie01

iba wrote: »

Hi Mossy,

When u say u r getting nearly every single EPL Game every weekend, is this on FTA and on which sat, 13, 19 or 28 please and thank u?

Hope 2 hear from u.

Regards

Iba

FTA Premier League is a big no on those sats unfortunately Iba....
Many of us purchase foreign subs for the likes of Cyfra(cheap and with HD), Polsat, Canal+, Digital+, Sky Italia/germany(expensive), Nova(expensive) and others and Tring on 16e is also good(and cheap)

I can't remember the last time I saw an EPL game in the clear FTA on 13 or 19, and as 28.2 is BskyB's sat I doubt there will ever be FTA EPL there(unless they do some kind of free weekend promo???)

There was FTA Arsenal v Liverpool last weekend on 16e, a channel called atlas, but I don't know how common that would be(would never have heard of it only for Excollier)

iba

banie01 wrote: »

FTA Premier League is a big no on those sats unfortunately Iba....
Many of us purchase foreign subs for the likes of Cyfra(cheap and with HD), Polsat, Canal+, Digital+, Sky Italia/germany(expensive), Nova(expensive) and others and Tring on 16e is also good(and cheap)

I can't remember the last time I saw an EPL game in the clear FTA on 13 or 19, and as 28.2 is BskyB's sat I doubt there will ever be FTA EPL there(unless they do some kind of free weekend promo???)

There was FTA Arsenal v Liverpool last weekend on 16e, a channel called atlas, but I don't know how common that would be(would never have heard of it only for Excollier)

Hi Banie,

Thanks for that. It is what I thought, its just the way the post was phrased threw me a bit

Which card would u recomend for EPL, the Cyfra one (thats on Hotbird right?) or polsat? Where would one get one?

I saw that FTA Liverpool v Arsenal match listed on Liveonsat last weekend on 16 - was quite surprised by that myself. Dont have 16 myself as my sat is aimed at 26 but I read on another thread that the stations from sat 16 are moving to a different sat in the near future; which should/hopefully mean they are broadcast on a stronger signal and then hopefully possible to pic up on an offset.

Regards

Iba

givecredit

iba wrote: »

Hi Banie,


Which card would u recomend for EPL, the Cyfra one (thats on Hotbird right?) or polsat? Where would one get one?

I
Iba

Cyfra is the ticket.
HD:
http://www.satsklep.pl/index.php?s=produkt&id_prod=1250&id_kat=80&id_typu=0

SD
http://www.satsklep.pl/index.php?s=produkt&id_prod=1249&id_kat=80&id_typu=0

Polish commentry. English audio on english language movies.

iba

givecredit wrote: »

Cyfra is the ticket.
HD:
http://www.satsklep.pl/index.php?s=produkt&id_prod=1250&id_kat=80&id_typu=0

SD
http://www.satsklep.pl/index.php?s=produkt&id_prod=1249&id_kat=80&id_typu=0

Polish commentry. English audio on english language movies.

Thanks GiveCredit,

So definitly Cyfraand not Tring for example?

Can u tell me if that card will work in my Humax HDR STB or will I have to get a new/different STB - will I also have to buy a CAM - I have a Iredeto one at the moment that works for my Al-Jazeera card?

Thanks in advance

Regards

Iba

iba

banie01 wrote: »

FTA Premier League is a big no on those sats unfortunately Iba....
Many of us purchase foreign subs for the likes of Cyfra(cheap and with HD), Polsat, Canal+, Digital+, Sky Italia/germany(expensive), Nova(expensive) and others and Tring on 16e is also good(and cheap)

I can't remember the last time I saw an EPL game in the clear FTA on 13 or 19, and as 28.2 is BskyB's sat I doubt there will ever be FTA EPL there(unless they do some kind of free weekend promo???)

There was FTA Arsenal v Liverpool last weekend on 16e, a channel called atlas, but I don't know how common that would be(would never have heard of it only for Excollier)

Banie,

Aston Villa v Wolves on AtlasTv on 16 on FTA this weekend too - no schedule up for September though.

Regards

Iba

givecredit

iba wrote: »

Thanks GiveCredit,

So definitly Cyfraand not Tring for example?

Can u tell me if that card will work in my Humax HDR STB or will I have to get a new/different STB - will I also have to buy a CAM - I have a Iredeto one at the moment that works for my Al-Jazeera card?


Iba

Tring is on 16deg. You do not have access to it.
Tring shows most/ if not all premiership games with tring plus card with english commentry. The card can be bought at satboxes.com. If you prime your dish at 16deg and forget about 26deg go for tring, otherwise go for cyfra.
Cam for Cyfra+
http://www.satsklep.pl/index.php?s=produkt&id_prod=701&lang=eng
If you are getting Al Jaz no reason why you wont get cyfra.

druss

givecredit wrote: »

Tring is on 16deg. You do not have access to it.
Tring shows most/ if not all premiership games with tring plus card with english commentry. The card can be bought at satboxes.com. If you prime your dish at 16deg and forget about 26deg go for tring, otherwise go for cyfra.
Cam for Cyfra+
http://www.satsklep.pl/index.php?s=produkt&id_prod=701&lang=eng
If you are getting Al Jaz no reason why you wont get cyfra.

I think that Cam doesn't do HD? I was thinking of this one, if thats the case.

http://www.satsklep.pl/index.php?s=produkt&id_prod=291

More expensive, but available on ebay for circa €70.

iba

givecredit wrote: »

Tring is on 16deg. You do not have access to it.
Tring shows most/ if not all premiership games with tring plus card with english commentry. The card can be bought at satboxes.com. If you prime your dish at 16deg and forget about 26deg go for tring, otherwise go for cyfra.
Cam for Cyfra+
http://www.satsklep.pl/index.php?s=produkt&id_prod=701&lang=eng
If you are getting Al Jaz no reason why you wont get cyfra.

Give Credit & Druss,

I c u must have read my previous posts where I wasnt able to get 16, which is still the case coz what Im getting at the mo. is 13,19,26 & 28 (with the main arm aimed at 26) but I am now thinking of adding a motor to my set-up which will then enable me to get 16 - am I right in thinking this?.

Thanks for the info on where to buy a Tring card from; however looking at the price of Cyrfa at €160 approx and Tring at €320 (if Im reading the info right) there can only be one winner, (again unless Im missing something) Also Cyrfa is on 13, yes?

thanks for ur post too Druss - i never knew that some cams do just SD and some do HD - big difference in the price though €20 - €70.

Might just go for the Cyrfa Card and try it with the Irdeto Cam that I have and see if it works - can always go back and get the cam later.

My Al-Jazeera card has expired, but I used to live in the Middle East and when there i used it with my Irdeto Cam - just out of curiousty, where can I get it renweed? having said that, everything on Al-Jazeera Sport is basically available FTA on Terrsiestial TV in Ireland, e.g. FA Cup, World Cup, Champions League, UEFA Cup, Rugby World Cup perhaps the only extra footie one can get on Al-Jazeera is the League Cup - unless Im missing something again

So am I missing anything here guys?

Thanks

iba

Sorry, a little bit more:

If I bought this STB:

Receiver HDTV SagemCom DSI87 for Cyfra +

http://www.satsklep.pl/index.php?s=produkt&id_prod=1853

Therefore am I right in saying, that I wouldnt need to buy a cam at all and this is a High Def receiver?

Thanks

druss

iba wrote: »

Give Credit & Druss,

I c u must have read my previous posts where I wasnt able to get 16, which is still the case coz what Im getting at the mo. is 13,19,26 & 28 (with the main arm aimed at 26) but I am now thinking of adding a motor to my set-up which will then enable me to get 16 - am I right in thinking this?.

Thanks for the info on where to buy a Tring card from; however looking at the price of Cyrfa at €160 approx and Tring at €320 (if Im reading the info right) there can only be one winner, (again unless Im missing something) Also Cyrfa is on 13, yes?

thanks for ur post too Druss - i never knew that some cams do just SD and some do HD - big difference in the price though €20 - €70.

Might just go for the Cyrfa Card and try it with the Irdeto Cam that I have and see if it works - can always go back and get the cam later.

My Al-Jazeera card has expired, but I used to live in the Middle East and when there i used it with my Irdeto Cam - just out of curiousty, where can I get it renweed? having said that, everything on Al-Jazeera Sport is basically available FTA on Terrsiestial TV in Ireland, e.g. FA Cup, World Cup, Champions League, UEFA Cup, Rugby World Cup perhaps the only extra footie one can get on Al-Jazeera is the League Cup - unless Im missing something again

So am I missing anything here guys?

Thanks

Cyfra would allow you the HD option and you know you can receive this already. Tring picture quality won't be as good, but they used to have english audio and did show a lot more EPL games. (I haven't ever used Tring, so i'm only going on what i've read here). It depends on your priorities, i suppose. My reception of 16 isn't good, so i went with 13 east..Al Jazeera and Cyfra. The Cyfra card will not work in your Irdeto cam btw. Does the Humax have a separate card reader? How many slots available for Cams?

Lots of stuff on Al Jaxeera is available FTA, yes, and generally the picture quality will be better on the FTA oprions..but it shows loads of everything so i find it a very useful card to have, especially for UEFA and Champions League nights where they can show 5+ games on the night. Also la liga, serie A, ligue 1, dutch league, swiss league, scottish league, english championship, j -league ....through to Jordanian league.

Most card shops do al Jazeera renewals, lots of options on ebay too. Read through the Al Jazeera changes thread on this forum. Some people got a renewal for under €70.

I'm not sure if the fact that your card was for Nilesat will make any difference?

druss

iba wrote: »

Sorry, a little bit more:

If I bought this STB:

Receiver HDTV SagemCom DSI87 for Cyfra +

http://www.satsklep.pl/index.php?s=produkt&id_prod=1853

Therefore am I right in saying, that I wouldnt need to buy a cam at all and this is a High Def receiver?

Thanks

It would be perfect for Cyfra HD and will doubtless handle the EPG in a much more logical fashion...but i'd be inclined to persist with the Humax, given that you're thinking of going Multisat (whether motorised or multi lnb).

I very much doubt that this receiver is Diseq capable. You can also see that there is only one card reader..no cam slots, so you are 100% tied to Cyfra. If you change your mind in a year and decide you really want Tring, or would like to add Al Jazeera, you'll have to get a new receiver. Also no mention of hard-drive features, so I think you'd also be on a loser there.

iba

druss wrote: »

Cyfra would allow you the HD option and you know you can receive this already. Tring picture quality won't be as good, but they used to have english audio and did show a lot more EPL games. (I haven't ever used Tring, so i'm only going on what i've read here). It depends on your priorities, i suppose. My reception of 16 isn't good, so i went with 13 east..Al Jazeera and Cyfra. The Cyfra card will not work in your Irdeto cam btw. Does the Humax have a separate card reader? How many slots available for Cams?

Lots of stuff on Al Jaxeera is available FTA, yes, and generally the picture quality will be better on the FTA oprions..but it shows loads of everything so i find it a very useful card to have, especially for UEFA and Champions League nights where they can show 5+ games on the night. Also la liga, serie A, ligue 1, dutch league, swiss league, scottish league, english championship, j -league ....through to Jordanian league.

Most card shops do al Jazeera renewals, lots of options on ebay too. Read through the Al Jazeera changes thread on this forum. Some people got a renewal for under €70.

I'm not sure if the fact that your card was for Nilesat will make any difference?

Druss,

The Humax has only one Common Interface Slot slot but thanks for the info that I need a different CAM.

And yes u guessed right, my Jazeera Card was fo Nile Sat before.

Good point about the the Cyfra STB working with a Diseq switch or not (I actually have mine set up at the moment with a 4 way Diseq with 28, 26, 19 and 13 going into it)

You have really provided some very usefull info.

BT if u buy the card direct from Canal+ it seems to be about €40 chaeper - http://www.cyfraplus.pl/oferta/promocje/multipakiet_canal_.html

Not sure about how updates and so forth would work though going direct with Canal+ as opposed to what Ive read about SatSkelp who have been very very helpful fixing peoples card problems/updates etc

Regards

Iba

druss

iba wrote: »

Druss,

The Humax has only one Common Interface Slot slot but thanks for the info that I need a different CAM.

And yes u guessed right, my Jazeera Card was fo Nile Sat before.

Good point about the the Cyfra STB working with a Diseq switch or not (I actually have mine set up at the moment with a 4 way Diseq with 28, 26, 19 and 13 going into it)

You have really provided some very usefull info.

BT if u buy the card direct from Canal+ it seems to be about €40 chaeper - http://www.cyfraplus.pl/oferta/promocje/multipakiet_canal_.html

Not sure about how updates and so forth would work though going direct with Canal+ as opposed to what Ive read about SatSkelp who have been very very helpful fixing peoples card problems/updates etc

Regards

Iba

And the Humax doesn't have a card reader? Pity. It would be handy to use (for instance) Al Jazeera in a card reader and get a cam for Cyfra. I'd prefer to do it that way, as Al Jazeera just seems to be the more stable card.

Canal will not intentionally sell the card to you for foreign use..and the sub you link to is, i think, a contract payment..like Sky. So not having a Polish style PPSN and bank account will see you rumbled right away. There are some Polish Irish based shops which pick up the Cyfra packs for you..but again they can't do anything for you without the correct details.

Satskleps fee is justified, in my mind, as they are effectively registering the card for you and will negotiate its re-activation etc if you miss an update. (Whereas if you call up yourself..cancellation time!). Of course Cyfra know the score, but have to play by the rules.

I just read, somewhere else, that Hotbird and Nilesat cards are the same but you can't get some Nilesat services on Hotbird. How long is your card dead? Apparently it can be reactivated and used on Hotbird..but I would clarify with the vendor if you go this route.

iba

druss wrote: »

And the Humax doesn't have a card reader? Pity. It would be handy to use (for instance) Al Jazeera in a card reader and get a cam for Cyfra. I'd prefer to do it that way, as Al Jazeera just seems to be the more stable card.

Canal will not intentionally sell the card to you for foreign use..and the sub you link to is, i think, a contract payment..like Sky. So not having a Polish style PPSN and bank account will see you rumbled right away. There are some Polish Irish based shops which pick up the Cyfra packs for you..but again they can't do anything for you without the correct details.

Satskleps fee is justified, in my mind, as they are effectively registering the card for you and will negotiate its re-activation etc if you miss an update. (Whereas if you call up yourself..cancellation time!). Of course Cyfra know the score, but have to play by the rules.

I just read, somewhere else, that Hotbird and Nilesat cards are the same but you can't get some Nilesat services on Hotbird. How long is your card dead? Apparently it can be reactivated and used on Hotbird..but I would clarify with the vendor if you go this route.

Thanks again Druss

As ar as I can tell the Humax only has the one CI slot - previously I used to switch my Jazeera Card and card that I had for ShowSports who used to show Premiership matches in the Middle East on Nile Sat in and out of the same CAM

I have a good Polish friend whose parents still live in Poland so was thinking of utilising that route - but I think what ur saying makes more sense.

Jazeera card probably expired last Jan - not too sure havnt used it in ages. The vendor was Al-Jazeera themselves in one of their outlets in Cairo - will look into further at a later stage - one step at a time

So Ill get the Cyrfa card and SD cam from Satskleps for now - maybe upgrade to the HD card at a later stage.

Again thanks for all ur help - much appreciated.

Regards

Iba

mossy464

banie01 wrote: »

You can't really go far wrong with a Triax. Great dish, sturdy and reliable.
I have a multisat set up on a TD88 pulling in 7e,9e and 10e on 1 LNB(Sats.xml edited to place all TPs on position as an experiment, might add some sort of secondary reflector to get 7e in stronger) 13e, 16e, 19.2e, 23.5e and 28.2.....8 sats on 6LNBs and 1 dish :cool:
Apart from 16e suffering badly from rain fade in poor weather(My dish is really too small) its a great setup.

But if you want to build in some expansion, you can't go wrong with a TD110, great dish and will hold 16e in any weather

For the moment, I think I will just add 23.5 to my lidl dish. This should be well achievable ya?

I could be moving in the next couple of months so wont splash out on a Triax for a while