Autograph authentication

stacexD

How would you go about getting this done in Ireland?

coylemj

Who's autograph are we talking about?

Missent

Stacex, not aware of any autograph authentication service in Ireland. If it's an Irish autograph, companies that handle Irish historical documents such as Adams, Whytes or Kennys might be able to give an opinion.

There are, I think, services in the UK which provide authentication for a fee and I know Fraser Autographs (a Stanley Gibbons company) is one of the biggest dealers in autographs across the water.

stacexD

Soccer.
Have a shirt that would be worth quite a lot of money if I could prove it was authentic

coylemj

To prove it's authentic would probably need more than just an opinion from a third party.

For example if it was signed after a big match it would be useful to have the ticket and programme of that match. Best evidence of all would be a photo of you or someone belonging to you standing beside the player while he was signing the shirt, it's all about provenance. The shirt by itself mightn't be enough as a package to attract a buyer given the number of fakes doing the rounds.

Why can't you tell us who signed the shirt?

Degsy

coylemj wrote: »

Why can't you tell us who signed the shirt?

Jack Charlton

stacexD

It's signed by the whole team and manager.
No photos, what happened is my uncle ended up on the same flight as the team after the match and he met one of the players out by the toilets and he took the shirt in and passed it around for him

coylemj

stacexD wrote: »

Soccer.
Have a shirt that would be worth quite a lot of money if I could prove it was authentic

I doubt that its worth 'quite a lot of money' for the simple reason that there are dozens of such shirts hanging in homes and pubs all over the country, they get signed by the players and then they're auctioned off for charity or put up as a prize in a raffle raising funds for a charity.

What you have is in no way unique or special and as time goes on and memories fade, so does the the star value of the players who signed that shirt.

stacexD

coylemj wrote: »

I doubt that its worth 'quite a lot of money' for the simple reason that there are dozens of such shirts hanging in homes and pubs all over the country, they get signed by the players and then they're auctioned off for charity or put up as a prize in a raffle raising funds for a charity.

What you have is in no way unique or special and as time goes on and memories fade, so does the the star value of the players who signed that shirt.

I've already had a value put on it

coylemj

Is the person who valued it prepared to offer you that amount of money for it - or what was the basis for the valuation?

By that I mean, did the person who valued it quote the price a similar item achieved at auction recently or how did they come up with the valuation?

Why are you so shy about details? What era is the shirt and who exactly signed it?

stacexD

All I was looking for is a simple answer to my question.
I don't feel like going into detail and really don't have to

coylemj

stacexD wrote: »

All I was looking for is a simple answer to my question.
I don't feel like going into detail and really don't have to

Fair enough. However I'd have the following comment....

You went to someone and got a valuation. If someone feels qualified to give a valuation for an item such as a shirt autographed by a team of international soccer players then surely they know of someone who's authentication would be acceptable to a prospective purchaser, if such a person exists in Ireland?

I'm not aware that there is such a person or agency in Ireland, there certainly is in the US because they get mentioned now and then on Pawn Stars when people come in trying to sell autographed sports memorabilia. I doubt if the demand exists in Ireland for someone to carry on such a business.

Even if someone offers the service, what you are talking about is a shirt signed by the players and manager on a plane coming home from a match which means that they are probably just illegible scrawls applied using a felt pen or marker by people who were probably the worse for wear. Given the circumstances in which the autographs were obtained, I doubt if even the people who signed the shirt could authenticate their own signatures!

Wild_Dogger

Supposing they were authentic , How much could it be worth ?

I would imagine you may find it hard to get a significant price , or at least find it hard to source a customer .

stacexD

It was a friend of my fathers who collects shirts who told me how much it's worth
He's a reliable source as he spends most of his free time looking around for these kinds of things.

I highly doubt now that hours after playing a match while sitting on a plane someone would be so tired that they couldn't write 2 legible words you're being a bit ridiculous now..
and I can make out the signatures myself.

After a bit of research it looks like its over 100 quid to get it appraised so I'll probably keep it for the time being, don't fancy spending the 100 and possibly waiting a good while before finding a buyer for the shirt

coylemj

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

Supposing they were authentic , How much could it be worth ?

The OP's uncle got the team to sign it on a plane so it's genuine ok but he appears to be under the impression that's it's worth a substantial amount of money which I find difficult to agree with. He has a 'valuation' from a person who's qualifications he won't share with us.

There is a company in the UK who are offering a replica 1966 (red) England shirt signed by 10 of the 11 World Cup winning team (all except Bobby Moore), the asking price is £995, I think that puts things in perspective.

http://www.allstarsignings.com/england.html

Given that we have never won anything, that there are hundreds of signed shirts hanging in frames in pubs up and down the country and that the pool of prospective buyers is considerably smaller, I'd say no equivalent Irish shirt is worth more than €50.

stacexD

coylemj wrote: »

The OP's uncle got the team to sign it on a plane so it's genuine ok but he appears to be under the impression that's it's worth a substantial amount of money which I find difficult to agree with. He has a 'valuation' from a person who's qualifications he won't share with us.

There is a company in the UK who are offering a replica 1966 (red) England shirt signed by 10 of the 11 World Cup winning team (all except Bobby Moore), the asking price is £995, I think that puts things in perspective.

http://www.allstarsignings.com/england.html

Given that we have never won anything, that there are hundreds of signed shirts hanging in frames in pubs up and down the country and that the pool of prospective buyers is considerably smaller, I'd say no equivalent Irish shirt is worth more than €50.

It's not Irish.
At this point I'm finding it pretty funny the amount of stupid assumptions you're making.
The shirt and it's value is my business I only asked where i can get something authenticated, it would be one thing if you were trying to help me but you're doing nothing but trolling.

coylemj

stacexD wrote: »

It's not Irish.
At this point I'm finding it pretty funny the amount of stupid assumptions you're making.
The shirt and it's value is my business I only asked where i can get something authenticated, it would be one thing if you were trying to help me but you're doing nothing but trolling.

Excuse me but in your original post you specifically asked where 'in Ireland' you could get it authenticated so I don't think it was a 'stupid' assumption to guess that it was a collection of autographs from an Irish team. If you want it authenticated in Ireland then I think it was perfectly reasonable for me to assume that the autographs are from Irish celebrities or sports stars, you obviously don't agree.

You yourself created the information vacuum by your policy of drip feeding us the information. If you had told us upfront what it was you had in your possession I wouldn't have had to make any assumptions, stupid or otherwise.

stacexD

I could ask where in Ireland I can buy a banana doesn't mean I'm trying to get one that was grown in dublin.
I don't want to give information like I said in multiple posts.
Anyone who specialises in soccer autographs would be able to tell this is authentic

coylemj

stacexD wrote: »

Anyone who specialises in soccer autographs would be able to tell this is authentic

I've no doubt they would, I just can't understand why you didn't mention in your first post that it was a soccer item when clearly that is a specialised area of memorabilia and autograph authentication.

stacexD

I asked because I didn't know anything about autograph appraisal. As far as I knew any specialist could pull up an autograph from their database and judge from the characteristics whether it's real or not, so I didn't think who signed it mattered

coylemj

These guys provide an authentication and valuation service....

http://www.spiritofsport.co.uk/gbu0-catshow/Valuation.html

Degsy

Hey OP if you've been told what its worth by a knowledgable source who knows about these things,why dont you put it up for sale at the true, knowledgable price?


Let us know how you got on too.

coylemj

Benchmark prices from that website I quoted above....

Ball signed by 1976 England squad £130

Shirt signed by England team who played in a WC qualifier in April 1997 £295

fubar21

do any of ye no where i could get photo authentication in ireland ??