Denver Broncos Thread

spiralism

I´ve been away if anybody´s missed my pro tebow ramblings.

Fact of the matter is that he´s played a huge part in turning this season around, the option run game is working a treat and he´s 6-3 as a starter now, which in the end is all that matters. Winning isn´t everything, its the ONLY thing.

Now the zone read option offence will likely be stamped out... but not yet. in that time, Tebow gets to learn as he goes and can ease himself into the passing role.

End of the day, Tebow came in and we were getting buried at home to the chargers, he nearly turned it around but we were 1-4 by the end of it and a distant last in the afc west. Now we´re 5-5 and in the playoff hunt and him and a vastly improved defence have been the constant.

Seriously, even things are falling into place now, if we beat San Diego on the road we can really take charge of the division. With cutler going down, the only game left on the sheet that isnt winnable is the pats one while the raiders have quite a few tough ones left...

Stev_o

More importantly your defence is giving Tebow the type of game he excels in winning. Low scoring affairs where one driving is make or break.

JonnyF

game over - Orton placed on Waivers by the Broncos.

wonder where he'll land - redskins could be a good move or indy

spiralism

Stev_o wrote: »

More importantly your defence is giving Tebow the type of game he excels in winning. Low scoring affairs where one driving is make or break.

hey, a winning formula is a winning formula. I love having a team that can defend again, not many teams except the pats or packers will win games giving up in the high 20s in points most weeks

eagle eye

Tebows wins by KO:D

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padraig_f

eagle eye wrote: »

Tebows wins by KO:D

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Not so fast, could quite literally have Orton vs. Tebow in a few weeks if Orton signs with the Bears. Bears travel to Mile High on December 11th.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

Tebows wins by KO:D

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Tebow is next on the chopping board.

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Tebow is next on the chopping board.

Its only joke TO, hence the big smiley. He got kicked out of Denver so I said he got ko'd.:D

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

Its only joke TO, hence the big smiley. He got kicked out of Denver so I said he got ko'd.:D

Oh sorry I forgot to add my smileys :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D there that should cover it.

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Oh sorry I forgot to add my smileys :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D there that should cover it.

Good to see you so happy.:D

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

Good to see you so happy.:D

Got my tickets sorted for the Fish and Bills games. In a good mood today

dropping_bombs

January 1st Chiefs vs Broncos. Orton vs Tebow!!

clare ny

just curious as to why john ellway comes out and says timmy tebow is not a long term QB for the broncos after releasing ortan to the cheifs ... kinda strange , .. but with jersey sales up nearly 30% cant see brady quinn getting out there for a while

Stev_o

clare ny wrote: »

just curious as to why john ellway comes out and says timmy tebow is not a long term QB for the broncos after releasing ortan to the cheifs ... kinda strange , .. but with jersey sales up nearly 30% cant see brady quinn getting out there for a while

Well it comes down to this,

1.Broncos front office is trying to match Oakland for making absolutely braindead calls involving players.

2.Ortons contract is up at the end of the season.

But honestly it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Orton could be playing for their rivals in their division and could lead the chiefs to winning the division when they were all set to loose their remaining games. It's madness. Nice but madness.

tallaghtoutlaws

clare ny wrote: »

just curious as to why john ellway comes out and says timmy tebow is not a long term QB for the broncos after releasing ortan to the cheifs ... kinda strange , .. but with jersey sales up nearly 30% cant see brady quinn getting out there for a while

It seems Elway has given up on the idea of developing Tebow into a proper QB. The problem with the adapting system right now is that it wont last as teams will adapt to it unless Tebow can start making a lot more accurate passes and be faster about it. But Elway has said that from day 1.

As for Jersey sales they play a major role in it until the profit no longer out ways the fact the team are doing fook all. Sure they are winning right now just about but again it comes back down on Tebow fully adapting himself as a proper NFL QB.

Newton has all the tangibles Tebow has in the sense of wanting wins and motivating his team. The problem with Carolina is that they are defensively bad. Denver's defense have come on in leaps and bounds and made life a lot easier for the Broncos all run system. But one big difference with Tebow and Newton, His passing ability. If you gave Fox/Elway the option of either two they would take Newton any day. And you ask why I compare them? Well they were similar players in college. Newton is exactly what Tebow should be in the Pros. HE proved to all his doubters he has what it takes to be a QB.

Fox and Elway are not the idiots people make them out to be. Orton and Quinn are the exact style of QB they want but Orton didn't work out and Quinn is squashed under the power of Tebow mania. Denver will go QB in the Draft and you can guarantee that. The rebuild is on. Tebow will have an off season to fix his mechanics and either he steps up and fixes himself or he will be someones backup again or out on the thrash heap.

Syferus

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

It seems Elway has given up on the idea of developing Tebow into a proper QB. The problem with the adapting system right now is that it wont last as teams will adapt to it unless Tebow can start making a lot more accurate passes and be faster about it. But Elway has said that from day 1.

As for Jersey sales they play a major role in it until the profit no longer out ways the fact the team are doing fook all. Sure they are winning right now just about but again it comes back down on Tebow fully adapting himself as a proper NFL QB.

Newton has all the tangibles Tebow has in the sense of wanting wins and motivating his team. The problem with Carolina is that they are defensively bad. Denver's defense have come on in leaps and bounds and made life a lot easier for the Broncos all run system. But one big difference with Tebow and Newton, His passing ability. If you gave Fox/Elway the option of either two they would take Newton any day. And you ask why I compare them? Well they were similar players in college. Newton is exactly what Tebow should be in the Pros. HE proved to all his doubters he has what it takes to be a QB.

Fox and Elway are not the idiots people make them out to be. Orton and Quinn are the exact style of QB they want but Orton didn't work out and Quinn is squashed under the power of Tebow mania. Denver will go QB in the Draft and you can guarantee that. The rebuild is on. Tebow will have an off season to fix his mechanics and either he steps up and fixes himself or he will be someones backup again or out on the thrash heap.

The front office isn't sold on Tebow as a franchise QB (who would be at this point?) but they're a damn sight nearer it than they were five weeks ago.

tallaghtoutlaws

Syferus wrote: »

The front office isn't sold on Tebow as a franchise QB (who would be at this point?) but they're a damn sight nearer it than they were five weeks ago.

Once again missing my point but good to see you still can't read and are just looking to contradict everything I say. Good man.

Syferus

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Once again missing my point but good to see you still can't read and are just looking to contradict everything I say. Good man.

It's always fun talking to such an even-handed and amible poster such as yourself! Happy Thanksgiving!

tallaghtoutlaws

Syferus wrote: »

It's always fun talking to such an even-handed and amible poster such as yourself! Happy Thanksgiving!

:rolleyes: Sums you up. From day 1 you had a problem with a couple of us on this forum and ever since then you go out of your way to contradict posts to suit your own sad agenda even if you are wrong. You quote the wrong things and make up stuff that isn't there. You consistently argue points that were never made. And you throw in random posts every now and again that make no sense. You admit to only reading two websites and pretend to be an expert but hey good man. Even our very own Adam Schefter makes more sense than you half the time.

davyjose

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

It seems Elway has given up on the idea of developing Tebow into a proper QB. The problem with the adapting system right now is that it wont last as teams will adapt to it unless Tebow can start making a lot more accurate passes and be faster about it. But Elway has said that from day 1.

As for Jersey sales they play a major role in it until the profit no longer out ways the fact the team are doing fook all. Sure they are winning right now just about but again it comes back down on Tebow fully adapting himself as a proper NFL QB.

Newton has all the tangibles Tebow has in the sense of wanting wins and motivating his team. The problem with Carolina is that they are defensively bad. Denver's defense have come on in leaps and bounds and made life a lot easier for the Broncos all run system. But one big difference with Tebow and Newton, His passing ability. If you gave Fox/Elway the option of either two they would take Newton any day. And you ask why I compare them? Well they were similar players in college. Newton is exactly what Tebow should be in the Pros. HE proved to all his doubters he has what it takes to be a QB.

Fox and Elway are not the idiots people make them out to be. Orton and Quinn are the exact style of QB they want but Orton didn't work out and Quinn is squashed under the power of Tebow mania. Denver will go QB in the Draft and you can guarantee that. The rebuild is on. Tebow will have an off season to fix his mechanics and either he steps up and fixes himself or he will be someones backup again or out on the thrash heap.

Good post. There's a third option though. Tebow could end up starter for a team who aren't necessarily as adamant on having a prototypical QB as Elway and Fox seem to want. tebow clearly has something. A number of times this season we've heard "yeah but he was sh1t for the first 55 mins". It's what's in those last 5 mins though, that if the right team/coach/system can extract, they'll have the makings of a proper QB.

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote: »

Good post. There's a third option though. Tebow could end up starter for a team who aren't necessarily as adamant on having a prototypical QB as Elway and Fox seem to want. tebow clearly has something. A number of times this season we've heard "yeah but he was sh1t for the first 55 mins". It's what's in those last 5 mins though, that if the right team/coach/system can extract, they'll have the makings of a proper QB.

What's in those 5 minutes can't be extracted though. No team/coach/system will ever be able to ask his QB to run the ball every down for 60 minutes and have him hold up and no defense will run a prevent all game long when he tries to pass it. Tebow can keep doing what he's doing and just hope he's on a team with an excellent defense who make sure they are within 7 points with 5 minutes to go.

davyjose

Chucky the tree wrote: »

What's in those 5 minutes can't be extracted though. No team/coach/system will ever be able to ask his QB to run the ball every down for 60 minutes and have him hold up and no defense will run a prevent all game long when he tries to pass it. Tebow can keep doing what he's doing and just hope he's on a team with an excellent defense who make sure they are within 7 points with 5 minutes to go.

It's not a bad place to start though. There's not many 2nd year QB's who, within 1 score, can be counted on to give you a strong chance on the final drive. As I've said before, they guy makes good decisions, and is as clutch as it gets. His execution is substandard, no denying. But if it starts to improve, he'll be a baller to be reckoned with.

spiralism

"Am I hopeful that Tim Tebow is our guy? And like I've said the whole year, I am very hopeful that Tim Tebow is our guy. Am I absolutely positive at this point in time? No, I'm not. But I want to believe that and that's what I want to happen," Elway said.

Krieger: Elway on fringe of Tebow tirade - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/krieger/ci_19409161#ixzz1eo8NGQhZ

So in other words... the jury is still out. I would be inclined to say that unless this season tanks from here on in, we are not going QB in the draft, at least not in the first round. We'll be too far up to pick any of the big three most likely and if i know John Fox he's going to lobby for a RB, a CB or a LB in that order, most likely a RB. Might get a QB in the 2nd or 3rd though and set up open competition. Elway knows he can criticise Tebow because he won't get offended and will work to change it, he's best when criticised, it's why his best game this year was against Oakland after the fiasco against detroit the week before.


Mark my words, if we trade up in the draft next april, it's for Trent Richardson, not a QB.

Syferus

This Tebow fella.. sure.. sure.. it's just beginner's luck.. :pac:

bruschi

Syferus wrote: »

This Tebow fella.. sure.. sure.. it's just beginner's luck.. :pac:

another win. hardly inspirational play from him though, and there was a huge element of luck that the broncos got the win. he is getting the wins alright, no denying that, but I cant see the run continuing the way it is. low passing numbers in yardage and completions, and low winning points tallies (16, 17, 17, 10, 18 are 5 of their 6 games, and then the big total against the raiders of 38). Most times totals like that will not come close to winning games, so personally, I think the biggest difference has been the defence, their last 3 games being the lowest by a long way they have conceeded this year.

its wins that count I suppose, but I think Tebow is being heaped with praise that isnt all his, and I'm not sure if it will do him any good. its easy to bypass the flaws when winning, but as I say, I cant see it continuing.

davyjose

I just think he's not as bad as the non-tebow fans on here think. He wasn't one of the best college players ever for no reason. People think that can't translate to the NFL, but he's showing it can at least be effective.

He made some nice throws last night too. He's definitely improving.

bruschi

davyjose wrote: »

I just think he's not as bad as the non-tebow fans on here think. He wasn't one of the best college players ever for no reason. People think that can't translate to the NFL, but he's showing it can at least be effective.

He made some nice throws last night too. He's definitely improving.

would agree with all that. I didnt mean my post to come across as being non-tebow or the like. I just think there was so much hype on the guy to replace Orton, that he has come in, Denver have got the wins, and Tebowmania has gone mental. As I said, I think its more to do with the defence rather than Tebow. He is effective, throws a lot of screen and flat passes, with a few long ones and hasnt many interceptions (only 1 I think?), but I just dont see them being elite with him. Could be totally wrong, but I dont see it right now.

eagle eye

bruschi wrote: »

would agree with all that. I didnt mean my post to come across as being non-tebow or the like. I just think there was so much hype on the guy to replace Orton, that he has come in, Denver have got the wins, and Tebowmania has gone mental. As I said, I think its more to do with the defence rather than Tebow. He is effective, throws a lot of screen and flat passes, with a few long ones and hasnt many interceptions (only 1 I think?), but I just dont see them being elite with him. Could be totally wrong, but I dont see it right now.

Just on that. The D are giving up 8 points per game less on average since Tebow came in as starter on the Offense.

I've talked about his leadership in the past and how he just seems to inspire everybody around him. I think everybody plays to the best of their abilities around him. Now some of the guys on here are going to knock that down and say it has nothing to do with the improvement in the D but what about what Champ Bailey said on it?

“I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career, I’m gonna play all out for the guy, I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%."

Syferus

bruschi wrote: »

another win. hardly inspirational play from him though, and there was a huge element of luck that the broncos got the win. he is getting the wins alright, no denying that, but I cant see the run continuing the way it is. low passing numbers in yardage and completions, and low winning points tallies (16, 17, 17, 10, 18 are 5 of their 6 games, and then the big total against the raiders of 38). Most times totals like that will not come close to winning games, so personally, I think the biggest difference has been the defence, their last 3 games being the lowest by a long way they have conceeded this year.

its wins that count I suppose, but I think Tebow is being heaped with praise that isnt all his, and I'm not sure if it will do him any good. its easy to bypass the flaws when winning, but as I say, I cant see it continuing.

It's gettin alot harder to doubt his ability and worth to the team now.

Yesterday he was over 50% on passing plays over 10 yards whereas he's been at 27% overall on that stat this season. He's running the ball well and now his passing stats are on a real upward trend - he's starting to develop as a starter.

Everyone knows the Denver defence is playing great, but even they have bought into Tebow (hence Carter's Tebowing in the center square at the end of the game yesterday) and there's very little doubt his introduction has energized the Broncos from Andrew Luck contenders to play-off contenders.

bruschi

Syferus wrote: »

It's gettin alot harder to doubt his ability and worth to the team now.

Yesterday he was over 50% on passing plays over 10 yards whereas he's been at 27% overall on that stat this season. He's running the ball well and now his passing stats are on a real upward trend - he's starting to develop as a starter.

Everyone knows the Denver defence is playing great, but even they have bought into Tebow (hence Carter's Tebowing in the center square at the end of the game yesterday) and there's very little doubt his introduction has energized the Broncos from Andrew Luck contenders to play-off contenders.

2 very different things - doubt his ability? yes, all day long

doubt his worth? - 5-1 says I cant.