Mount Misery @ Sallypark

Max Powers

Could anything be done with the side of the hill stepped ledges. It has been vandalised now by a succession of morons
- with paint,
- I presume even an idiot wouldnt write CIRA so im assuming its a dyslexic Ciara and most recently
- mini-Hollywood-sign style signs to read kilkenny on it, it now says 'ENN'.

All this is an eyesore and plain and simple vandalism. As for the kilkenny stuff, all it will lead to is retaliation vandalism so any ideas folks.

I dont think a wire fence is going to stop these people, planting trees could cause roots which destabalise the rock so that mightnt be suitable either.

Bards

Max Powers wrote: »

Could anything be done with the side of the hill stepped ledges. It has been vandalised now by a succession of morons
- with paint,
- I presume even an idiot wouldnt write CIRA so im assuming its a dyslexic Ciara and most recently
- mini-Hollywood-sign style signs to read kilkenny on it, it now says 'ENN'.

All this is an eyesore and plain and simple vandalism. As for the kilkenny stuff, all it will lead to is retaliation vandalism so any ideas folks.

I dont think a wire fence is going to stop these people, planting trees could cause roots which destabalise the rock so that mightnt be suitable either.

I thought CIRA was an acronym for Continuity IRA??

Ellie1984

Max Powers wrote: »

- mini-Hollywood-sign style signs to read kilkenny on it, it now says 'ENN'.

Am I wrong or the sign actually said KICKENNY? :cool:

Was it a "we KICKED the **** out of you" kind of thing or just a miserable fail?

seanybiker

I thought the kilkenny thing was excellent. nothing wrong with a bit of banter.

Max Powers

Seany,
So you think a little bit of vandalism is grand??

Flyin Irishman

Max Powers wrote: »

Seany,
So you think a little bit of vandalism is grand??

Just a little bit

Chochese

Max Powers wrote: »

Seany,
So you think a little bit of vandalism is grand??

Can't see the word 'vandalism' anywhere in his post?!

Banter, however, is grand. While I don't agree with CIRA or anything similarly offensive being put up on the rock, the likes of the Kilkenny sign and the changing of the flags that went on last year are fun bits of inter county sledging.

CardBordWindow

Max Powers wrote: »

Seany,
So you think a little bit of vandalism is grand??

It was a cardboard cutout! Non-permanent. Hardly hardcore vandalism?
Maybe ask Santa for a sense of humour for Christmas?

BlaasForRafa

Chochese wrote: »

Can't see the word 'vandalism' anywhere in his post?!

Banter, however, is grand. While I don't agree with CIRA or anything similarly offensive being put up on the rock, the likes of the Kilkenny sign and the changing of the flags that went on last year are fun bits of inter county sledging.

Seeing as Mount Misery is inside Waterford, anyone who wants to paint a kilkenny sign should f--- off into their own county to paint it.

Master and commander

Its a complete disgrace what has been going on up there over the past while, and as for those who say "ah sure its fun, intercounty banter" - look you can dress it up all you like and delude yourself all you want but the fact is that it is blantant vandalism and any removable card signs are just littering -plain and simple. These people are breaking the law and should be prosecuted and punished. No excuses or "ah sures".

The wd/kk crap the goes on in and about the ferrybank area is the stupidest thing ever, have people nothing better to be on about?

The fact that the guards/councils are doing nothing means they are in fact condoning it. This petty vandalism and graffiti up there was the thin edge of the wedge that led to the complete destruction of the Ard Ri which was once a lovely icon for the area, now its a kip. If the Mt Misery vandalism was nipped in the bud maybe the Ard Ri would no t be such an eye sore today and it would be much more likely to have reopened.

There needs to be high security palisade fencing all along the top of the cliff and down the whole perimetre of the area including the ard ri, with the wall along the dual carriageway topped with razor wire. There also needs to be a camera monitoring the area to catch any feckers.

Max Powers

CardBordWindow wrote: »

It was a cardboard cutout! Non-permanent. Hardly hardcore vandalism?
Maybe ask Santa for a sense of humour for Christmas?

Thats the typical Irish attitude: 'sure it will be alright, what harm'.
It is ugly, littering vandalism of the small minded tribal bull$hit that is so prevalent in Ireland. We as a city are trying to put our best image forward and this childish nonsense at the main entrance to the city doesnt help. This tit for tat stuff usually ends up with more serious vandalism on monuments or on buildings, see Ard Ri months ago for example. What harm, sure its hardly hardcore vandalism!

CardBordWindow

Master and commander wrote: »

Its a complete disgrace what has been going on up there over the past while, and as for those who say "ah sure its fun, intercounty banter" - look you can dress it up all you like and delude yourself all you want but the fact is that it is blantant vandalism and any removable card signs are just littering -plain and simple.

The wd/kk crap the goes on in and about the ferrybank area is the stupidest thing ever, have people nothing better to be on about?

The fact that the guards/councils are doing nothing means they are in fact condoning it. This petty vandalism and graffiti up there was the thin edge of the wedge that led to the complete destruction of the Ard Ri which was once a lovely icon for the area, now its a kip. If the Mt Misery vandalism was nipped in the bud maybe the Ard Ri would no t be such an eye sore today and it would be much more likely to have reopened.

There needs to be high security palisade fencing all along the top of the cliff and down the whole perimetre of the area including the ard ri, with the wall along the dual carriageway topped with razor wire. There also needs to be a camera monitoring the area to catch any feckers.

The vandalism to the Ard Rí has a lot to do with the previous owners not boarding it up in the first place, or having any security on the site. A derelict building with easy access into it was always going to be a target for a teenage hangout/vandalism.

Granted the painting on the rock is vandalism, but I think that having a county colour on the rock is better than the IRA and penis drawings which used to be up on it.

seanybiker

Chochese wrote: »

Can't see the word 'vandalism' anywhere in his post?!

Banter, however, is grand. While I don't agree with CIRA or anything similarly offensive being put up on the rock, the likes of the Kilkenny sign and the changing of the flags that went on last year are fun bits of inter county sledging.

Exactly. Harmless fun. Tis better than battering each other. It was in the papers and all as a bit of rivalry banter. The cira and all that shyte is stupid

daenerysstormborn3

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Seeing as Mount Misery is inside Waterford, anyone who wants to paint a kilkenny sign should f--- off into their own county to paint it.

Google maps says Sallypark is in Co. Kilkenny, just saying....

Max Powers

seanybiker wrote: »

Exactly. Harmless fun. Tis better than battering each other. It was in the papers and all as a bit of rivalry banter. The cira and all that shyte is stupid

But it is harmful; its disgusting vandalism, I dont like it, numerous others dont either because it smacks of petty childish parochialism and is unattractive. I find it hard to comprehend how somebody thinks this is fine.

Just to note: Vandalisim is not banter

seanybiker

We just going to have to disagree on it being harmless banter so.

Junior

seanybiker wrote: »

We just going to have to disagree on it being harmless banter so.

verb /ˈbantər/ 
bantered, past participle; bantered, past tense; bantering, present participle; banters, 3rd person singular present

Talk or exchange remarks in a good-humored teasing way
- the men bantered with the waitresses
- a bantering tone

noun /ˈbantər/ 

The playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks
- there was much singing and good-natured banter

I wouldn't mind if something official was painted up there, but whats happening up there is vandalism, no if buts about it, it's not as if any of them are Banksy.

MitchKoobski

We could plant a lemon tree up there.

Never heard of any trouble coming from a lemon tree.

Bards

MitchKoobski wrote: »

We could plant a lemon tree up there.

Never heard of any trouble coming from a lemon tree.

Springfield V Shelbyville perhaps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_of_Troy

alphapa

the country is fu*ked! unemployment is at a all time high, people are in debt up to there eyeballs and these lads are worried bout a bit of paint on a rock in fairness lads im sure plenty of people would like to have ur worrys!!!!!!!!!!!

3rdDegree

Ellie1984 wrote: »

Max Powers wrote: »

- mini-Hollywood-sign style signs to read kilkenny on it, it now says 'ENN'.

Am I wrong or the sign actually said KICKENNY? :cool:

Was it a "we KICKED the **** out of you" kind of thing or just a miserable fail?

Did you?

3rdDegree

alphapa wrote: »

the country is fu*ked! unemployment is at a all time high, people are in debt up to there eyeballs and these lads are worried bout a bit of paint on a rock in fairness lads im sure plenty of people would like to have ur worrys!!!!!!!!!!!

With all due respect, just because the country is f#ed, is no reason for us to lose all pride in it and it's appearance.

Pump101

It said Kilkenny. It looked fine until it was vandalised.

seanybiker

Junior wrote: »

verb /ˈbantər/ 
bantered, past participle; bantered, past tense; bantering, present participle; banters, 3rd person singular present

Talk or exchange remarks in a good-humored teasing way
- the men bantered with the waitresses
- a bantering tone

noun /ˈbantər/ 

The playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks
- there was much singing and good-natured banter

I wouldn't mind if something official was painted up there, but whats happening up there is vandalism, no if buts about it, it's not as if any of them are Banksy.

I know what banter is. Don't need a dictionary. Good girl though, you should be proud of being able to copy and paste.

Max Powers

seanybiker wrote: »

We just going to have to disagree on it being harmless banter so.

So you think vandalism, painting where you like, even if its to the detriment of the city's image is harmless banter?

seanybiker

Max Powers wrote: »

So you think vandalism, painting where you like, even if its to the detriment of the city's image is harmless banter?

Where did I say anywhere? I said mount misery flag painting and the sign is harmless.
I thought I answered this already.

kkdela6

Max Powers wrote: »

So you think vandalism, painting where you like, even if its to the detriment of the city's image is harmless banter?

its only an oul piece of stone

seanybiker

kkdela6 wrote: »

its only an oul piece of stone

yeah was gonna say that meself. There's legitimate business's in town that are far worse looking than a rock with a bit of paint on it.

kkdela6

seanybiker wrote: »

yeah was gonna say that meself. There's legitimate business's in town that are far worse looking than a rock with a bit of paint on it.

yeah and there probably all buying paint in waterford so its good for business. give a few lads something to do for an evening. keep them off the sauce. win win

seanybiker

kkdela6 wrote: »

yeah and there probably all buying paint in waterford so its good for business. give a few lads something to do for an evening. keep them off the sauce. win win

lol they put the kilkenny sign up at 2:30-3:00 in the morning after a load of beer haha. Was talking to them lol.

kkdela6

seanybiker wrote: »

lol they put the kilkenny sign up at 2:30-3:00 in the morning after a load of beer haha. Was talking to them lol.

that sounds like even better craic. fair play. its a tough oul job getting up there. some view though. wow

seanybiker

kkdela6 wrote: »

that sounds like even better craic. fair play. its a tough oul job getting up there. some view though. wow

Havent been up there in years. Tis a nice view alright.

decies

There's a obvious solution Waterford should do a Gibraltor job on the rock, separate border patrol there local language enforced , a new flag and currency maybe and definitely some deranged monkeys as a kind of tourist attraction. National anthemn by the Gillespie sisters goes without saying.

seanybiker

Im just back from dropping the lack into town. Rock looks blue and white to me.

Master and commander

@ Seany and all those who see it as a "bit-o-fun"

if i were you and i knew the identities of those engaged in vandalism and graffiti and littering i would be ringing up the ferrybank gaurds and the relevant part of the WD city council and Kilkenny CoCo to get them done for it. I take it you dont live in ferrybank or along the quays had have to look at that scrawled mess every day. As said, the tolerance of this graffiti was the thin edge of the wedge that progressed in time to result in the wanton destruction of the once lovely Ard Ri. By condoning it, you are encouraging it and must shoulder a certain portion of the blame. Theres no excuse for this type of antisocial behaviour that is going on.

I think this activity reveals that those involved have no respect for their sorroundings or other people or tourists. Pure selfishness and thugery. Would they be graffitiing and scrawling all over the front of their own houses? I think not, but they think it good sport to do it to property thats not theirs. If you were on holidays somewhere and the first thing you saw was dirty scrawls all over the entrace to the city,what would your first impression be? -ah sure its a bit o harmelss fun? i dont think so. i would be thinking it must be a dirty filthy place inhabited by no-good chavs. Not the impression we want to be giving our tourists, who we need more than ever.

Those responsible should be caught and held to account for their actions, but the "justice" system we have will unboubtly pat them on the back and let them off for first offence. What a load. Do they no know right from wrong or what.

And seany, if you returned home one day and saw one of them painted graffiti all over your house would you be calling it harmless banter then? would you? I doubt it, but when its someone elses property and not yours you say its OK. thats a shameful attitude to have in fairness.

Was it WLR fm that were tlking about it a while ago, with the attitude that it was just a bit-o- craic, an absolute disgrace that the citys radio station would be condoning such behaviour, and indirectly encouraging itas a result.

I hate that word lack, ugh it sounds so crude and chavish

MitchKoobski

Master and commander wrote: »

I think this activity reveals that those involved have no respect for their sorroundings or other people or tourists. Pure selfishness and thugery. Would they be graffitiing and scrawling all over the front of their own houses? I think not, but they think it good sport to do it to property thats not theirs. If you were on holidays somewhere and the first thing you saw was dirty scrawls all over the entrace to the city,what would your first impression be? -ah sure its a bit o harmelss fun? i dont think so. i would be thinking it must be a dirty filthy place inhabited by no-good chavs. Not the impression we want to be giving our tourists, who we need more than ever.
I hate that word lack, ugh it sounds so crude and chavish

How is it thuggery!? How exactly does painting a rock show a lack of respect for tourists?

Its a bunch of lads painting over a rock as a bit of fun.
Its not a big dirty scrawl.
Its not someone's house.
Its not a public building.
It IS harmless fun.

Chav? Thuggery? You threw so many words out there that had nothing to do with it at all.

Answer me this, if its such a huge serious problem and a big disgrace like you say, then why aren't the guards cracking down on it? Why aren't they out looking for who is doing it as we speak?

Master and commander

Look, it doesn't matter if its a house, wall, bridge, cliff face, car or whatever -if it doesn't belong to you, you have no right to deface/vandalise/graffiti it. Period.
And in any case there is such a thing as having some common decency and respect for your area and not doing anything to tarnish or damage it.

As said, if it was your house would you be so accepting of it?

it is potentially damageing to tourists as its the first thing they see when they arrive and look out across they quays. It's hardly photgenic and makes them with a desire to come back or reccommend it. It makes a poor first impression.

Would the time of those responsible not be better spend by doing something theat helps the community and makes the city nicer to live in? that would be much better fun and more rewarding than getting pissed on booze and climbing up a hill at 2 in the moring with a can of paint. I can't see how that could be fun, it sounds stupid. I bet it's some of the local GAA heads doing it, only GAA heads could be so clanish and tribalistic to be bothered painting county colours all over the place.

The reason nothing is being done by the authorities is the complete apathy of the authorities and people who have parochial tribalism so ingrained in their heads and see it all as intercounty rivalry, what BS.

Next you'll ask "well if i'm so worried about it whay arn't i doin something?" Well maybe i'll get on to the council and local reperasentatives today. All it takes is to pick up the blower. I might just do it after reading this thread.

I'm so grumpy, i'll give this thing 5 grumpy faces :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

jad2007

I think there are two sides to this argument, I believe that it is fairly harmless but one point I would like to make is that we have to be aware of how others perceive it. Jack Burtchell (of walking tour fame) once spoke on WLR and said that he had often been asked if bits of graffiti on various walls around town were gang colours. The point he made was to a lot of American tourists Graffiti= Gangs. I think although harmless in most of its intent this kind of stuff sets a bad example to kids who are tagging the walls of shops and houses in the City.
The Rock and Mount Misery are excellent natural billboards what I believe should be done is both should be painted with large ( non KK WD) murals. Perhaps a giant Viking mural on the Mount Misery side. Once done the areas need to be properly secured so as to avoid vandalism. If done on a large enough scale a mural like this might become a tourist attraction in itself.

Master and commander

I once again stress that it is not harmless, for many reasons. You are spot on with that example of how americans might thinks its a gang thing. Thats the sort of thing we need to thinking of.

As for the mural thing, i don't think it would be a good idea. It'd need to be huge and cost a lot. Think of the maintenance involved in it and repairs if some eejit goes at it. The water flows down that rockface so it would get grubby and green very very fast.

It would be better to just plant some trees along the ledge/terraces and they would, in time look much nicer. as for the rusulting rockfall risk from roots, i'm sure a solution could be engineered and anyway freeze thaw action is just as destructive to a rockface.

CardBordWindow

Master and commander wrote: »

Look, it doesn't matter if its a house, wall, bridge, cliff face, car or whatever -if it doesn't belong to you, you have no right to deface/vandalise/graffiti it. Period.
And in any case there is such a thing as having some common decency and respect for your area and not doing anything to tarnish or damage it.

As said, if it was your house would you be so accepting of it?

it is potentially damageing to tourists as its the first thing they see when they arrive and look out across they quays. It's hardly photgenic and makes them with a desire to come back or reccommend it. It makes a poor first impression.

Would the time of those responsible not be better spend by doing something theat helps the community and makes the city nicer to live in? that would be much better fun and more rewarding than getting pissed on booze and climbing up a hill at 2 in the moring with a can of paint. I can't see how that could be fun, it sounds stupid. I bet it's some of the local GAA heads doing it, only GAA heads could be so clanish and tribalistic to be bothered painting county colours all over the place.

The reason nothing is being done by the authorities is the complete apathy of the authorities and people who have parochial tribalism so ingrained in their heads and see it all as intercounty rivalry, what BS.

Next you'll ask "well if i'm so worried about it whay arn't i doin something?" Well maybe i'll get on to the council and local reperasentatives today. All it takes is to pick up the blower. I might just do it after reading this thread.

I'm so grumpy, i'll give this thing 5 grumpy faces :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Back in 2008 when Waterford were in the All-Ireland final, several houses were painted completely in Blue and White. There was even a competition on WRL for it!! (I think a house in Morrison's Road won)
Do you feel the same about this? Are these people lacking common decency too?

jad2007

In fairness I think there is a difference in people painting/ decorating their own property than painting sites that dont belong to them.

Master and commander

CardBordWindow wrote: »

Back in 2008 when Waterford were in the All-Ireland final, several houses were painted completely in Blue and White. There was even a competition on WRL for it!! (I think a house in Morrison's Road won)
Do you feel the same about this? Are these people lacking common decency too?

Nothing wrong with that, no, because they were doing it to their own house which they own so its not vandalism. Thats fine.
Tacky and really bad taste- yes, but vandalism -no.


If they went out and started painting other peoples houses at randon then that is vandalism and is wrong.

CardBordWindow

Master and commander wrote: »

Nothing wrong with that, no, because they were doing it to their own house which they own so its not vandalism. Thats fine.
Tacky and really bad taste- yes, but vandalism -no.


If they went out and started painting other peoples houses at randon then that is vandalism and is wrong.

But what about the tourists opinions? Do they think that they are passing a 'gang' house, with the massive 'tag' on it?

Max Powers

I think this arguement has split into 2 camps:
1 - people that care about how the city looks, first impressions etc and
2 - people who are at best, indifferent or at worst, dont care.

CardBordWindow

Max Powers wrote: »

I think this arguement has split into 2 camps:
1 - people that care about how the city looks, first impressions etc and
2 - people who are at best, indifferent or at worst, dont care.

Then why not also complain about the ship 'graveyard' at Hanlon's. That is also seen as you come into the city, and it looks terrible.
Yes, the painting on the rocks is not everyone's cuppa tea, but having two colours up there (regardless of which ones are there) is a hell of a lot better than 'traditional' graffiti of smiley faces, a giant penis, or <insert random name> woz ere'. Which would you prefer?

MitchKoobski

No, this argument has two sides.

1. You see the rock painting as a bit of fun and rivalry, like the majority of Waterford see it.
2. You see it as mindless vandalism that needs to be stopped.

Master and commander

CardBordWindow wrote: »

But what about the tourists opinions? Do they think that they are passing a 'gang' house, with the massive 'tag' on it?

No i doubt it. Look, i think you are just goading me for a reaction now, well you not going to get it.

Master and commander

CardBordWindow wrote: »

Then why not also complain about the ship 'graveyard' at Hanlon's. That is also seen as you come into the city, and it looks terrible.
Yes, the painting on the rocks is not everyone's cuppa tea, but having two colours up there (regardless of which ones are there) is a hell of a lot better than 'traditional' graffiti of smiley faces, a giant penis, or <insert random name> woz ere'. Which would you prefer?

yeah the shipyard and the whole RH hall complex is a diaster too. and people have tried to develop it but the council seems to prefer to refuse premission. Seems they like the ugly rusty mess look!
Remember the hotel complex planned for the north wharf or the hotel/confrence centre tower development for bilberry. Shame not of these took off.

Well i would prefer a natual looking cliff face with no graffiti, some trees or greenery would look nice.

Off topic: and what is it with people painting giant dicks with hairy balls all over everything? there was one on the bridge near piltown until recently. I wonder how Sigmun Freud would explain this. It seems to happen everywhere. quite bizzare.

CardBordWindow

Master and commander wrote: »

No i doubt it. Look, i think you are just goading me for a reaction now, well you not going to get it.

Didn't mean for it to sound that way. Apologies. Hindsight and all that.
A comparison of the painted rock to a gang tag was just ridiculous though.

MitchKoobski

Master and commander wrote: »

Well i would prefer a natual looking cliff face with no graffiti, some trees or greenery would look nice.

I don't know how to break this to you, but you can't plant trees in rock so the rockface will always be there.

CardBordWindow

MitchKoobski wrote: »

I don't know how to break this to you, but you can't plant trees in rock so the rockface will always be there.

In fairness, you'd have to do a lot of digging to get to rock at this stage!