Why do we have to put up with SKANGERS?

Mance Rayder

I hate Skangers! I am sure most people do. Even secretly. I am sure Skangers hate themselves too, as they spent alot of time trying to kill themselves with drugs and fights and seem to enjoy getting themselves arrested or shot to top off a night on "the Buzz".

So, they wear a uniform and are clearly identifiable. They hang around in large groups annoying the whole neighbourhood. They are prone to abusive behaviour, vandalism and voilent crime. A search of almost any skanger will turn up drugs at any time. They don't contribute to society except as ex heroine addict guest speakers in schools.

Why the hell does the gov not just Clean this human excrement up? Its not like they are hard to find they are fookin everywhere!

Would you Support government legislation to crackdown on Skanger culture and behaviour?

For the record I am from poorer areas associated with skangerry , born and reared. I never stole a car or played hardhouse music at 2 am in an apartment block at ludacris volumes. I don't go around threatening to shoot people.

I make no connection between Skangers and poor people. I am a poor person.

Naomi00

The worst ones are the people who try to be skangers/chavs but aren't really..I don't get why anyone would actually want to be one

Mike 1972

A thread on AH about scangers

How original.

py2006

Unfortunately, every country has their 'element'.

Although, we seem to have more than our fair share in this country!

PseudoFamous

Go sort them out, OP! Give them what-for!

Sea Sharp

What I'm interested in is; what do American and European police do to keep their skanger equivalents in order.
The UK and Ireland seems to have a chav culture that isn't nearly as bad elsewhere. What's causing the problem and what's the solution?

WoollyRedHat

We used to have this guy called The Citizen, who used to sort this out,but he seems to have gone off the radar, give him a call! I dunno if he has his own costume or not, but he means business!

Mance Rayder

Mike 1972 wrote: »

A thread on AH about scangers

How original.

Oh How delightfully wry of you.

The King of Moo

Why do skangers have to put up with snobs?

They government should just get all these snobs of the streets, it's just horrible having to walk past them!

needadvi

CiscoStudent wrote: »

I make no connection between Skangers and poor people. I am a poor person.

Similarly a rich person might be forced to consider your level of imput/importance in the world since your poor and probably can't make much of a difference with your pennys!

I'm sure this is just another hate thread. Some people despise poor people as much as they despise skangs.

staker

Kill them!!!:mad:

*flicks snot of tracksuit*

DaveDaRave

Some "skangers" are actually pretty sound.

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Sea Sharp wrote: »

What I'm interested in is; what do American and European police do to keep their skanger equivalents in order.
The UK and Ireland seems to have a chav culture that isn't nearly as bad elsewhere. What's causing the problem and what's the solution?

America is absolutely full of scumbags. There's some appalling poverty over there.

Mance Rayder

In fairness now snobs dont go around doling out brain hemorrhages to people who were audacious to walk through their estate at 2 am.

120_Minutes

120 Minutes uses GODWIN ATTACK!!


Hitler had it right, just the wrong people.



its not very effective

s20101938

Skangers run riot in Ireland, safe in the knowledge that they are untouchable. The cops dont give a flying fock, theyre too busy hassling middle class cyclists and waiting for their lavish gilt-edged pensions when they "retire" at age 50. If a skanger gets convicted of murdering some poor law-abiding middle class cyclist he lives the life of Reilly inside, yoked or skagged out of it 24/7 in the Joy then walks after 8 years into his free taxpayer paid for house and lavish dole.

Monty Burnz

The King of Moo wrote: »

They government should just get all these snobs of the streets, it's just horrible having to walk past them!

Here's a list of crimes commonly committed by some snobs:

wearing Ugg boots
wearing collar up on polo shirts
wearing gratuitous sunglasses

To be honest, looking at the list, snobs bother me much less. At least they aren't likely to break into my house or stab me.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Mike 1972 wrote: »

A thread on AH about scangers

How original.

Why do people say that here...

"Oh a thread on taxidrivers/bouncers/economy/publicservants/roma/swans/R.I.P./U2/D4's/facebook/births,marriages & deaths/weather/Israel/Palestine/terror/etc/etc/etc...how original"

Monty Burnz

Evangeline Shallow Mulch wrote: »

America is absolutely full of scumbags. There's some appalling poverty over there.

There's a difference between poor and scumbag of course. My Mom's family were dirt poor, but lovely people.

The King of Moo

CiscoStudent wrote: »

In fairness now snobs dont go around doling out brain hemorrhages to people who were audacious to walk through their estate at 2 am.

Here's a list of crimes commonly committed by some snobs:

wearing Ugg boots
wearing collar up on polo shirts
wearing gratuitous sunglasses

To be honest, looking at the list, snobs bother me much less. At least they aren't likely to break into my house or stab me.

Not all of them sure, but a lot of such behaviour goes on across all classes. Some of the most hooligany behaviour I've seen has been from rich kids, like the guys who kicked the guy to death outside a night club, or the many stories of heard from wealthy guys about how they abused homeless people in a variety of ways.
Lots of trouble in our area with rich, spoiled students and recent graduates with insanely loud parties at all hours of the night.
And just look at Rag Week in Galway. That's what I would call skangerish behaviour, and many of those responsible were fairly well-off.

Violence and intimidation are found everywhere, "skangers" are just more noticeable when they do it as they're easier to identify.

Mickeroo

THey're only Skangers if they're from Dublin, so if you don't want to put up with them GTFO of Dublin. :pac:

saa

needadvi wrote: »

Similarly a rich person might be forced to consider your level of imput/importance in the world since your poor and probably can't make much of a difference with your pennys!

I'm sure this is just another hate thread. Some people despise poor people as much as they despise skangs.

Most wealthy people hold on to their money and do not try and do good, from working for charities in the past its the working class who are more willing to give their time what they have. edit:voluntarily of course I'm not one of those!

Let me just make the distinction here, a scumbag in this context is someone who categorically is not contributing to society or willing to and is anti social
being poor does not strip away your positive input into society or say anything about your character being anti social does.

Dangerous Man

Mickeroo wrote: »

THey're only Skangers if they're from Dublin, so if you don't want to put up with them GTFO of Dublin. :pac:

Yeah - go to Limeric or Cork - no Skangers there right? FFS

Dangerous Man

Mickeroo wrote: »

THey're only Skangers if they're from Dublin, so if you don't want to put up with them GTFO of Dublin. :pac:

Yeah - go to Limerick or Cork - no Skangers there right? FFS

Logical Fallacy

The same reason people put up with everything else OP, the don't want to actually have to do anything about it.

Standing up for himself seriously appears to be beyond the common man.

Pretty_Pistol

Evangeline Shallow Mulch wrote: »

America is absolutely full of scumbags. There's some appalling poverty over there.

I'd say the people on Jersey Shore are the American version of our skangers.

Monty Burnz

The King of Moo wrote: »

Not all of them sure, but a lot of such behaviour goes on across all classes. Some of the most hooligany behaviour I've seen has been from rich kids, like the guys who kicked the guy to death outside a night club, or the many stories of heard from wealthy guys about how they abused homeless people in a variety of ways.
Lots of trouble in our area with rich, spoiled students and recent graduates with insanely loud parties at all hours of the night.
And just look at Rag Week in Galway. That's what I would call skangerish behaviour, and many of those responsible were fairly well-off.

Violence and intimidation are found everywhere, "skangers" are just more noticeable when they do it as they're easier to identify.

Just as nobody with a brain thinks that all 'poor' people are skangers, or even that all 'skangers' are bad, I don't think anyone is claiming that all middle-class people are good. I know very well what they can be like.

But have we really got so PC that we can't say that the majority of social problems (violence, problematic substance abuse, criminality etc.) come from one particular group of people?

Logical Fallacy

Monty Burnz wrote: »

But have we really got so PC that we can't say that the majority of social problems (violence, problematic substance abuse, criminality etc.) come from one particular group of people?

You can say it all you want, but you also have to back it up with numbers and evidence and such.

Mickeroo

Dangerous Man wrote: »

Yeah - go to Limeric or Cork - no Skangers there right? FFS

I was joking, but I've only ever heard skanger used to describe dubliners(not all dubliners, just the skangery ones), the ones outside dubin would just be called scumbags. I could have been picking it up wrong though.

weemcd

When I was in Berlin I did not once see anyone lounging about outside a store, bar or fast food place, no trackie clad bai's wearing baseball caps hasstling people, asking for fags, also no litter whatsoever, there was alot of graffiti, but I like graffiti... Berlin, a land of contrast.

in all honesty though, who would vote no in this poll. The real question is what do you do about it?

Teddy455

Mickeroo wrote: »

I was joking, but I've only ever heard skanger used to describe dubliners(not all dubliners, just the skangery ones), the ones outside dubin would just be called scumbags. I could have been picking it up wrong though.

In cork they're called Knackers or Shams.

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Monty Burnz wrote: »

There's a difference between poor and scumbag of course. My Mom's family were dirt poor, but lovely people.

Right. I'm just saying that scumbaggy crime is rampant over there, driven by poverty.

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in before the "they should take away their dole if they break the law" remark.

Mickeroo

Teddy455 wrote: »

In cork they're called Knackers or Shams.

Ah right, round here knackers are itinerants and I've only heard people from Tuam use the word Sham I think.

jive

To be fair most knackers are actually fairly sound in my experience.

What most people hate are 'hard kunts'. People who go around looking for fights, are fragile scrawny knackbags with a fake accent. Nobody likes a hard kunt and I hope that people will just smash them in the face every time they try to start something with someone who has done nothing to them. If everybody just smashed a hard kunt in the face every time they were trying to start something then they wouldn't be too long about stopping. Even if the guards saw you you know they would probably just let it go, I imagine guards in particular hate 'hard kunts'

Mike 1972

weemcd wrote: »

no litter whatsoever.

When I was in Berlin there may not have been much litter but there were still people dropping fag butts. But then as everyone knows thats not real litter :rolleyes:

weemcd wrote: »

in all honesty though, who would vote no in this poll

Because the question was Would you Support extreme government legislation to crackdown on "Skangerry"?

As a rule I dont think extreme government legislation is a good solution for any problem. There might be one or two problems where radical measures might be called for but resorting to extreme measures usually doesnt end well. Just ask about it next time youre in Berlin !

Monty Burnz

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

You can say it all you want, but you also have to back it up with numbers and evidence and such.

This is After Hours. Oxford University is that way

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thomasj

Sadly the creators of the everyday language (for most of our population) have failed to recognise this word yet.

Closest we have is scally. (note scally is also an irish name)

From oxford english dictionary

* (in the north-west of England, especially Liverpool) a roguish self-assured young person, typically a man, who is boisterous, disruptive, or irresponsible.Origin:
1980s: abbreviation of *scallywag

Mance Rayder

jive wrote: »

To be fair most knackers are actually fairly sound in my experience.

I am sure people thought anders was sound too , he is still a sociopath turned killer.

Just because some of them can be "sound" doesnt mean that they are not criminal scum.

iPlop

DaveDaRave wrote: »

Some "skangers" are actually pretty sound.

Username says it all:pac:

Mance Rayder

Anyone who disagrees here obviously has never lived in Eastwall, Sherrif st, North strand, Talbot st, the Libertys, Marino, Fairview, Darndale, Belcamp (parts of it), Tallaght (most of it :P) Ballymun, Fingas ETC ETC the list goes on and on.

iPlop

CiscoStudent wrote: »

Anyone who disagrees here obviously has never lived in Eastwall, Sherrif st, North strand, Talbot st, the Libertys, Marino, Fairview, Darndale, Belcamp (parts of it), Tallaght (most of it :P) Ballymun, Fingas ETC ETC the list goes on and on.

I used to live in Tallaght but I moved out because I'm better than them skangers.


*Only joking*

needadvi

CiscoStudent wrote: »

Anyone who disagrees here obviously has never lived in Eastwall, Sherrif st, North strand, Talbot st, the Libertys, Marino, Fairview, Darndale, Belcamp (parts of it), Tallaght (most of it :P) Ballymun, Fingas ETC ETC the list goes on and on.

Now your just looking for a hammering! Wonder how many people are going to tell you that they have lived in these areas.

The King of Moo

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Just as nobody with a brain thinks that all 'poor' people are skangers, or even that all 'skangers' are bad, I don't think anyone is claiming that all middle-class people are good. I know very well what they can be like.

But have we really got so PC that we can't say that the majority of social problems (violence, problematic substance abuse, criminality etc.) come from one particular group of people?

I agree that there's a higher proportion of many forms of criminality among the poorest in society, the two tend to go hand in hand unfortunately.
I guess I just don't like when people don't acknowledge that for a lot of poor people growing up in tough areas, with parents themselves maybe resorting to crime and abusing drugs, it's tough to avoid getting into crime (though the OP rightly points out that being poor doesn't mean being a scumbag).

I guess I'd just prefer if attention was drawn to all anti-social behaviour, including by those who do it for kicks, and not just one section of society, even if it's more common to see such behaviour from this section of society.

later12

This is like a slightly retarded version of that big anti-chav's meme in the UK a couple of years back. I couldn't open my email inbox at that time without getting some form of CHAVS, LOL drivel. Or some of my middle-class fellow students with crippling student loans referring to lower-working class people as commoners. Now it seems to have seeped into Ireland.

Suddenly middle class kids think that wearing ridiculously emblazoned middle class clothing and listening to inane twaddle on their blackberries makes them look less ridiculous than lower-working class people who wear ridiculous clothing, listening to another form on inane twaddle on their iphones.

One thing I like about many people of the older generation is how they were so un-self-conscious about appearance based on class lines. I know of one UK public-school educated Irishman who in a previous era would have been classified as 'landed gentry' who ties his trousers with rope and often tells stories of having been mistaken for a labouring old tramp.

There was also a level of equality attached to that generation, where it was considered good form to display a common courtesy with Lords and labourers, regardless of one's own social position.

Yet today, many people (and not just young people, in fairness) seem to want to organise themselves on hierarchies of vulgarity. Somewhere along the line wearing hideous, generic Tommy Hilfiger products became desirable and wearing hideous, generic 'skanger' products became hilarious. I don't think we're any better off for it.

Mance Rayder

The King of Moo wrote: »

I guess I'd just prefer if attention was drawn to all anti-social behaviour, including by those who do it for kicks, and not just one section of society, even if it's more common to see such behaviour from this section of society.

I agree 100%.

Standman

People who constantly moan about skangers are usually the ones who would hide with their tail between their legs if confronted by them in public. How about you grow a set of balls and make an attempt to sort out problems yourself instead of asking mammy government to go out and scold the naughty boys while you sit at home peeking out from behind your filthy, moth ridden curtains?

Mance Rayder

Mike 1972 wrote: »

When I was in Berlin there may not have been much litter but there were still people dropping fag butts. But then as everyone knows thats not real litter :rolleyes:


Because the question was Would you Support extreme government legislation to crackdown on "Skangerry"?

As a rule I dont think extreme government legislation is a good solution for any problem. There might be one or two problems where radical measures might be called for but resorting to extreme measures usually doesnt end well. Just ask about it next time youre in Berlin !

Ok by Extreme I meant zero tolerance. ASBO's, no second chances for multiple offenders, no pity in the courts for murderes because they "had a hard upbringing" (Didnt we all!) etc etc.

Liam Byrne

Evangeline Shallow Mulch wrote: »

America is absolutely full of scumbags. There's some appalling poverty over there.

That post created a mental link that doesn't exist.

Poverty isn't a choice. Scumbaggery is.

Lots of poor people aren't scumbags, and lots of really rich people are absolute slime.

weemcd

Mike 1972 wrote: »

When I was in Berlin there may not have been much litter but there were still people dropping fag butts. But then as everyone knows thats not real litter :rolleyes:


Because the question was Would you Support extreme government legislation to crackdown on "Skangerry"?

As a rule I dont think extreme government legislation is a good solution for any problem. There might be one or two problems where radical measures might be called for but resorting to extreme measures usually doesnt end well. Just ask about it next time youre in Berlin !

I don't know what measures would work, that is why I asked what would people suggest to be done about it. Berlin is known for having an extremely high unemployment rate (or at least it was considered so when I was there a few years ago, I'm not a well read up economist) yet they didn't seem to have any of the loitering, street-drinking, violent & anti-social behaviour we experience. What is the difference? Do ze Germans grow up with a better respect for society? Or do their government police, educate and generally run the city in a diffrent (better) way to what we are used to here?

I'm just using this as a personal example of a city I was impressed with, what key differences are there in countries were anti-social behaviour aka skangerism is not a major problem, compared to our own, where there is a general feeling (almost daily discussions on boards.) that not enough is being done.

EuropeanSon

I hate them too, and would personally love to see them rounded up and dumped on an abandoned continent. Unfortunately there are none available anymore.

On a serious note, no, the government shouldn't be allowed restrict our freedoms based solely on suspicion and perceptions. If they commit a crime, then punish them appropriately.