All Ireland Minor and U-21 hurling 2011

KevIRL

Minor Semi finals

Galway v Clare
Waterford v Dublin

U-21 Semi finals

Limerick v Galway
Dublin v Antrim

Is this the first time that none of the 'big 3' of KK, Tipp and Cork have made a semi final at none of the 2 underage grades? Great to see, and hopefully good news for a more competitive future at senior level

Mountainlad

KevIRL wrote: »

Minor Semi finals

Galway v Clare
Waterford v Dublin

U-21 Semi finals

Limerick v Galway
Dublin v Antrim

Is this the first time that none of the 'big 3' of KK, Tipp and Cork have made a semi final at none of the 2 underage grades? Great to see, and hopefully good news for a more competitive future at senior level

I'm anticipating the 90's returning, only with Cork, Kilkenny and Tipp being stronger and probably a more competitive championship in a few years time in which the likes of Clare, Limerick, Waterford, Galway (hopefully they can sort themselves out), Dublin and maybe even Wexford will feature. Offaly have a fair amount of work to do.

The next ten years will be very interesting.

ontheditch2

Galway look to have gotten the raw deal in both..

KevIRL

ontheditch2 wrote: »

Galway look to have gotten the raw deal in both..

Pretty handy run for them up to the semi final though!

Mountainlad

ontheditch2 wrote: »

Galway look to have gotten the raw deal in both..

Wouldn't say there is a lot between Limerick and Dublin.

Kojak

Dublin will make the U-21, and have a good chance of making the minor as well. Its about time imo that all the work that has been put into Dublin underage hurling pays off in terms of an underage AI - it could well be this year, maybe even a double. Its the best way for Dublin to reach their aim of being AI hurling champs by 2015 (according to the county board's strategic plan)

The fact that none of the big three is good to see (nothing against them, but look at the last decade - KK dominated underage hurling and as a result dominated at senior). There hasn't been a winner of the minor AI outside the big 3 and Galway since Clare in 1997 afaik. The U-21 is a bit better with Clare winning in 09. What the general hurling public would like to see is less traditional powers winning at underage and then that feeding into their respective senior squards, thus resulting in a far more competitive and open SHC.

premierstone

Kojak wrote: »

Dublin will make the U-21, and have a good chance of making the minor as well. Its about time imo that all the work that has been put into Dublin underage hurling pays off in terms of an underage AI - it could well be this year, maybe even a double. Its the best way for Dublin to reach their aim of being AI hurling champs by 2015 (according to the county board's strategic plan)

The fact that none of the big three is good to see (nothing against them, but look at the last decade - KK dominated underage hurling and as a result dominated at senior). There hasn't been a winner of the minor AI outside the big 3 and Galway since Clare in 1997 afaik. The U-21 is a bit better with Clare winning in 09. What the general hurling public would like to see is less traditional powers winning at underage and then that feeding into their respective senior squards, thus resulting in a far more competitive and open SHC.

Speak for yourself, Im quite happy the way things are going right now

BannerBarry

Up the Banner!! we have some good underage coming through. We'll have a few munsters in the next few years I am anticipating

AbsentPonderer

BannerBarry wrote: »

Up the Banner!! we have some good underage coming through. We'll have a few munsters in the next few years I am anticipating

Underage doesn't automatically guarantee you senior success, take a look at Limerick and our 3 u21 titles! What did we get out of them? One All Ireland final appearance!

LeoB

BannerBarry wrote: »

Up the Banner!! we have some good underage coming through. We'll have a few munsters in the next few years I am anticipating

AbsentPonderer wrote: »

Underage doesn't automatically guarantee you senior success, take a look at Limerick and our 3 u21 titles! What did we get out of them? One All Ireland final appearance!

Galway being another example of underage success not meaning success at senior level.

On the pairings above it has to be good for Hurling for a county like Dublin to get some success. Gaelic games needs new faces to appear or things get stale. Look at the great when Wexford won all Ireland and Clare made the breakthrough, the whole country got behind the games. Same in football, would be great to see Wexford Or Louth win a Leinster title or Limerick in Munster.

Dublin have a few great people putting their lives into hurling and they have hurling being played all over the county like never before so a breakthrough a title is vital

angelfire9

Of the minor squad that played in the All Ireland in 1989 very few made it to the senior team that won in '95,'97
1989 – CLARE: Davy Fitzgerald, Diarmuid McInerney, Paul Lee, Pat Corey, Pat Markham, Jimmy O’Gorman, Jer Cahill, Christy “Rusty” Chaplin, Sean Power, Paul O’Rourke, James O’Connor, Pat Minogue, Padraig McNamara, Conor Clancy, Paul Keary
Sub: Ronan McNamara

1995 Panel:
1 D. FitzGerald | 2 M. O'Halloran | 3 B. Lohan | 4 F. Lohan | 5 L. Doyle | 6 S. McMahon | 7 A. Daly (c) | 8 J. O'Connor | 9 O. Baker | 10 F. Tuohy | 11 P.J. O'Connell | 12 F. Hegarty | 13 S. McNamara | 14 C. Clancy | 15 G. O'Loughlin |
Subs used: É. Taaffe for S. McNamara | C. Lyons for C. Clancy | A. Neville for É. Taaffe |
Subs not used: S. O'Hara | J. McInerney | K. Morrissey | G. Moroney | J. Chaplin | C. Chaplin | B. Quinn |

soccymonster

Good game so far. Although seems like Galway are finding it hard to get scores from play. Suprised clare aren't more in front as they're playing the better hurling but good game so far from the likes of jack browne, tony kelly, tots.. I can see clare winning this but who knows, galway just need to settle. These teams are preety evenly matched so it could go anyway..

Indie.

some drama there in the minor game.Galway fierce lucky in the end.

Minstrel27

Extra time now.

Mushy

Great end, enjoyed that one.

soccymonster

What a tense end to the match!! Didn't expect extra time and don't think the players did either.

dastardly00

soccymonster wrote: »

What a tense end to the match!! Didn't expect extra time and don't think the players did either.

Everybody here in the stand didn't realise there would be extra time either!

RiseToMe

soccymonster wrote: »

What a tense end to the match!! Didn't expect extra time and don't think the players did either.

Here to see the Kilkenny match but the minor was incredible!
Nobody expected extra time!

Samich

Cmon Clare!!!!!!!!!

RiseToMe

Galway are playing like a team fresh out on the pitch for the first time today!

soccymonster

Jesus, clare can't afford wides atm. Although it must be hard thinking you have finished a day of hurling after playing a 60minute hard fought match and then being told to come out and play another 20.. Cmon clare, settle down!

WHAT A GREAT SAVE BY THE CLARE GOALKEEPER!!

RiseToMe

soccymonster wrote: »

Jesus, clare can't afford wides atm. Although it must be hard thinking you have finished a day of hurling after playing a 60minute hard fought match and then being told to come out and play another 20.. Cmon clare, settle down!

WHAT A GREAT SAVE BY THE CLARE GOALKEEPER!!

Unbelievable save

Keano

Clare are trying to get a goal. No need, plenty of time.

Slow Show

Galway are a new team, they're playing brilliantly now. Or else Clare are tired out. Really think we can do this now. Moloney is really standing out today for me, it was only the brilliance of the Clare goalkeeper that stopped him single-handedly running away with it.

RiseToMe

Slow Show wrote: »

Galway are a new team, they're playing brilliantly now. Or else Clare are tired out. Really think we can do this now. Moloney is really standing out today for me, it was only the brilliance of the Clare goalkeeper that stopped him single-handedly running away with it.

Amazing difference in Galway, well deserved win!

niallo27

RiseToMe wrote: »

Amazing difference in Galway, well deserved win!

I wouldnt say well deserved the better team lost on the day, should have being a replay

soccymonster

Disappointed for clare as they really should have won it in normal time and played the better hurling particularly in the first half. But that extra time performance by galway was fantastic even though clare looked tired. Unfair that they had to come out and play another 20 minutes when it seemed that everyone thought they'd be leaving it for another day but shur, what can ya do..

Still thought that save by quilligan, the clare goalie in ET was immense.

RiseToMe

niallo27 wrote: »

RiseToMe wrote: »

Amazing difference in Galway, well deserved win!

I wouldnt say well deserved the better team lost on the day, should have being a replay

I have to disagree, Clare played well, I was shouting for them but Galway reached within and gave everything they had and won it outright with impressive play and great stamina.

derealbadger

Great win for Galway pity we are not in Leinster as we would have won it with this team the fact of only having played Antrim while Clare had 3 hard games i think could have cost us today hope the county board see sense this year and move the minor and U21s to leinster for next year

soccymonster

RiseToMe wrote: »

I have to disagree, Clare played well, I was shouting for them but Galway reached within and gave everything they had and won it outright with impressive play and great stamina.

it was a fantastic ET performance by galway no doubt and congrats to them.. But it was unfair on both teams (particularly clare when they got that blow due to the goal in injury time and must have been kicking themselves and then tony kellys free going off the post right at the death) when they initially thought it was going to a replay but were then told 'oh wait, no, you've to play extra time now..'.

if galway can play with the passion and stamina they did in ET, they'll probs win the AI and i wish them all the best.

the keen edge

niallo27 wrote: »

I wouldnt say well deserved the better team lost on the day, should have being a replay

The better team never loses.

The better team is the team that wins: the team that has the greater score at the end of the game.

soccymonster

the keen edge wrote: »

The better team never loses.

The better team is the team that wins: the team that has the greater score at the end of the game.

or you could say that clare played the better hurling for many periods of normal time and had a few unlucky breaks near the end which possibly contributed to their mentality going into ET and which probably also motivated Galway at the same time.

niallo27

the keen edge wrote: »

The better team never loses.

The better team is the team that wins: the team that has the greater score at the end of the game.

No the better team doesnt always win, thats the beauty of sport, it the better team always won, sport would be ****e to watch

Utopia Parkway

soccymonster wrote: »

or you could say that clare played the better hurling for many periods of normal time and had a few unlucky breaks near the end which possibly contributed to their mentality going into ET and which probably also motivated Galway at the same time.

Clare were the better side in the first half but from half-time on Galway outscored them 1-18 to 1-9 until the end so hard to argue that Clare were the better side overall really. Galway started slowly (maybe due to only having a cakewalk of a game against Antrim previously) but once they made a few switches they got stronger and stronger as the game went on. Nearly all their subs made an impact on the game. Plus I think their sheer size and physical strength eventually wore down the Clare lads. Even the Clare manager said heading into the game that he was worried about the size of the Galway team. Clare seemed noticably smaller. Two good teams though.

the keen edge

the keen edge wrote: »

The better team never loses.

The better team is the team that wins: the team that has the greater score at the end of the game.

Even still, Extra time was announced at a time when Galway tails were up and had the momentum and this is the second time this has happened. It happened in 2003 when they played Tipp at under 21. These things should be known in January but it seems the goalposts were moved yet again to suit Galway. Its not enough that they only hurled Antrim in the quarter final all year wheras Clare have had tough games against Tipp and Waterford. Wonder would extra time have been called if Clare had got a last gasp equaliser?

Utopia Parkway

Deleted User wrote: »

Even still, Extra time was announced at a time when Galway tails were up and had the momentum and this is the second time this has happened. It happened in 2003 when they played Tipp at under 21. These things should be known in January but it seems the goalposts were moved yet again to suit Galway. Its not enough that they only hurled Antrim in the quarter final all year wheras Clare have had tough games against Tipp and Waterford. Wonder would extra time have been called if Clare had got a last gasp equaliser?

How is it Galway's fault that there was extra time today? Apart from the fact that they scored a late goal. As far as I know because it was a semi-final there was always going to be extra-time if the game ended level. Unfortunately nobody seemed to know this at the end until someone clarified it for the match officials and both teams.

ontheditch2

I presume it was a decision that was made in advance. Both sides would of been aware that ET was to be played if needed. Clare were unlucky, nothing else to be said about it. I thought over the 60 minutes, they were the better team, but Galway definitly outclassed them in ET. They had a much stronger bench as was seen, and i think Clare didn't have the strength in depth that Galway had. All if Galways subs played well when introduced and most of the scores form play came from the subs. Moloney was excellent in ET for galway, and showed the reason he has played minor for 3 years. I thought Clares big names didn't produce the goods when questions were asked, but i thought young Aaron Cunningham, nearly single handedly dragged them over the line in normal time, a super talent also.
It was a great match anyway, best of luck to Galway, commiserations to Clare.

Utopia Parkway

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

How is it Galway's fault that there was extra time today? Apart from the fact that they scored a late goal. As far as I know because it was a semi-final there was always going to be extra-time if the game ended level. Unfortunately nobody seemed to know this at the end until someone clarified it for the match officials and both teams.

Dont believe that bo**ocks for a second. ET was only announced when Galway had a huge psychological edge and were in the ascendency. Very very unusual it has happened to them on two occasions now.

derealbadger

extra time was to be played it had already been decided at the beginning of the championship and for a Tipp ma to be going on about goal posts being moved to suit Galway after what happened with last years U21 final is laughable

soccymonster

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Clare were the better side in the first half but from half-time on Galway outscored them 1-18 to 1-9 until the end so hard to argue that Clare were the better side overall really. Galway started slowly (maybe due to only having a cakewalk of a game against Antrim previously) but once they made a few switches they got stronger and stronger as the game went on. Nearly all their subs made an impact on the game. Plus I think their sheer size and physical strength eventually wore down the Clare lads. Even the Clare manager said heading into the game that he was worried about the size of the Galway team. Clare seemed noticably smaller. Two good teams though.

ya, point taken. especially when you saw the likes of jack browne and his marker Galway full forward (?) and the noticeable height difference.
In the 2nd half, I agree with ya, it was Galway all the way through the first ten minutes scoring like 5 points with like one reply from Galvin. But it certainly wasn't Galway all the way through that half and you'd feel for Clare with the unlucky occurances at the end.

Any chance you know how many points galway scored from play in the 2nd half of normal time actually? The ref seemed to be giving alot of frees (sometimes for ridiculous things..)

Still feel that if no-one actually knew about ET (and let's be fair no-one actually knew!) it'd should have gone to a replay.

derealbadger

derealbadger wrote: »

extra time was to be played it had already been decided at the beginning of the championship and for a Tipp ma to be going on about goal posts being moved to suit Galway after what happened with last years U21 final is laughable

Oh here we go! :rolleyes: RTE didnt even know there was going to be extra time today ffs, the actual broadcaster. If you can show me where it said there would be ET played prior to today then i will wholeheartedly apologise to all Galway supporters.

As for the u21 final last year, the final was announced in April of 2010 that it was set for Thurles long before Tipp even pucked a ball.
Clare played us in the Munster u21 final there in late July of 2010 and gave us a good rattle. It certainly didnt put them off and its irrelevant whether they won lost or drew the match at least they had a rattle unlike Galway who were pathetic in Thurles last September.
The venue was irrelevant. It was a 25 point hammering whether it was in Thurles or on the Moon so dont even bother using that one. If ye had put up any sort of fight or ye're fans had shown ye any sort of support then i might have listened but you didnt. Tipp were drawn to play Galway in Salthill in a do or die game in 2003 yet we went up and won.
For Galway to point out to anyone about unfair advantage is whats rich. They play one game a year and get to an all Ireland u21 final and avoided stiff competition in the minor quarter final this year.

washman3

Mountainlad wrote: »

Wouldn't say there is a lot between Limerick and Dublin.

do you know how many of the dublin 21s are on the dublin senior panel??
im fairly sure Rushe is still U21 (he's some player)

Limerick have played Galway twice in challenge games this year,nothing in it both times. Think one was a draw and Limerick won the other by 2pts.
Looks like they will meet in Ennis. dont be surprised if its near a full house after the munster final epic.

KevIRL

There was no mention of extra time in the Minor or Senior match in todays programme. Further more there was no mention of it in the clár and lae in the programme despite a star beside some of the times and a note to say

* Depending on 'added time'

Added time, ie injury time mentioned, yet no mention of extra time. Extremely shoddy stuff from the GAA on one of the biggest days of the year

Justin10

Rushe, Plunkett, Dillon and McMurrow are on the Senior panel. I dont think im forgetting anyone.

Also the County boards where contacted and told that their would be added time after the game, so really just poor communication between County boards and management.

Utopia Parkway

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh here we go! :rolleyes: RTE didnt even know there was going to be extra time today ffs, the actual broadcaster. If you can show me where it said there would be ET played prior to today then i will wholeheartedly apologise to all Galway supporters.

You're making it out as if Galway had demanded extra time be played. Both sides shook hands at the final whistle and had gone back into the dressing rooms so both teams obviously thought there was going to be a replay until they were told otherwise.

washman3

Rochey18 wrote: »

Rushe, Plunkett, Dillon and McMurrow are on the Senior panel. I dont think im forgetting anyone.

Also the County boards where contacted and told that their would be added time after the game, so really just poor communication between County boards and management.

Thanks for that info. Limerick have Downes,Hannon,Mulcahy and keeper Murphy.
Poor communication all right on today's minor game. Think you are correct here,the county boards would have been notified,message not passed on to team managers. the GAA didnt just decide today at 2.45 that extra time would be played.
But looks like some people just need any excuse to have a pop at GAA.

derealbadger

washman3 wrote: »

Thanks for that info. Limerick have Downes,Hannon,Mulcahy and keeper Murphy.
Poor communication all right on today's minor game. Think you are correct here,the county boards would have been notified,message not passed on to team managers. the GAA didnt just decide today at 2.45 that extra time would be played.
But looks like some people just need any excuse to have a pop at GAA.

Or Galway

Justin10

Totally forgot about Quilty and Sutcliffe.
To be fair I think Dublin have a better chance at the Minor then U21, but could win both.

ontheditch2

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

You're making it out as if Galway had demanded extra time be played. Both sides shook hands at the final whistle and had gone back into the dressing rooms so both teams obviously thought there was going to be a replay until they were told otherwise.

Bollox and i will tell you for why.
The Clare subs went back to the dug out before either team left the pitch after full time. So they obviously knew before they went into the dressing room that extra time was to be played.
The referee usually leaves the pitch straight away after most matches, but him and the linesmen and umpires congregated in the middle of the pitch. SO they must of known something.
Both County Boards were informed during the week that ET would be played, and you can be sure that the the secretary (or a county board representative) was on the sideline with the mentors and would of passed on the information to the team management.
The only people that mattered that didn't know about ET were the players, but why would any manager tell his players before a match that there will be extra time if needed, it just doesn't happen.

Utopia Parkway

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

You're making it out as if Galway had demanded extra time be played. Both sides shook hands at the final whistle and had gone back into the dressing rooms so both teams obviously thought there was going to be a replay until they were told otherwise.

I never stated the team or management did but i would love to be a fly on the wall as to what fraternising goes on with some of the county suits and the Central Controls Committee

Henno30

niallo27 wrote: »

No the better team doesnt always win, thats the beauty of sport, it the better team always won, sport would be ****e to watch

Sport would be ****e to watch if we always knew who the better team was. We usually don't.

Thought Clare had the more skillful team today but they gave too much away physically and lacked puckout options.