Dublin Vs. Tyrone

JamesKav

Come On Dubs !!!

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ShamoBuc

One of the smallest opening posts of a thread I've read!

Looking forward to this one. Should be a close game. The Dubs have had a lay off for a while and Tyrone have being building momentum.
Hard one to call but I'll go for a Tyrone win 3pts.

gooch2k9

How long is it since the Dubs played? I'd say they will be rusty, and Tyrone won't be as forgiving as Limerick were to Kerry.

JamesKav

Hmm I'll always support the Dubs, But it'll be a hell of a game. Tyrone better come prepared. My estimate Dubs up 6pts by end score.

Hammer Archer

Can't really believe I'm saying this but I'm hoping that Dublin do it. No Leinster team in the last 4 would be a disaster. I'd say Tyrone will be favourites though.

DoctaDee

I heard an interesting snippet that Barry Cahill may start as full forward on Saturday has been playin there to great effect in training

Dublinproud

DoctaDee wrote: »

I heard an interesting snippet that Barry Cahill may start as full forward on Saturday has been playin there to great effect in training

Half forward

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Where do Dublin train as a matter of interest?

DiscoHugh

anybody know what the deal is with tickets?

Ticketmaster and tickets.ie only have lower stand tickets.

have the upper ones not being released yet or are they sold out?

cheers,

rossie1977

will be interesting to see what tyrone turn up, roscommon scored 1-8 and kicked 10 wides in the first half (most of them very scorable) on saturday, if tyrone start like that this week dublin could be out of sight come half time

Syferus

Roscommon played some pretty beautiful combination play in that first half that'd open up any team in the country, though, so Dublin will need to be very sharp to exploit any lethargy in Tyrone and that's something that four weeks on the blocks doesn't lend itself to at all.

The 3-6 channel was exposed by Mannion and for all of Sean Cavanagh's unbelievable power going forward his weakness in the air and marking his man will give the Dublin midfield opportunities too if they're able to run at the Tyrone defense.

Still, though, I thought Tyrone wouldn't have much hope against Dublin before Saturday but I was impressed by them enough to think they can pull this one off. Wouldn't like to call this game, but it should be a very entertaining game and likely the best game of football out of all the quarter-finals.

plasmaguy

It will be a good game...

Bernard Brogan vs Tyrone...

Should be in the balance until the last 10 minutes when Brogan runs out of steam...then Tyrone add on the scores and come out the winners.

DiscoHugh

rossie1977 wrote: »

will be interesting to see what tyrone turn up, roscommon scored 1-8 and kicked 10 wides in the first half (most of them very scorable) on saturday, if tyrone start like that this week dublin could be out of sight come half time

One thing I've learned from watching Dublin over the last 10-15 years is that we are never out of sight:(

50/50 game imo.

CWone

I agree that we are never out of sight - if we go 5 up we seem to go asleep and let the opposition catch up and then just struggle to the end whether we win or not - following Dublin is not for the faint hearted that's for sure! But I will continue till the day I die even though they may be the cause of an early grave for me:eek::eek::eek:. Come on you boys in blue:)

log22

Im goin for tyrone in this one..because if the dubs win they will be getting their usual visions of grandeur an then they go downhill fast.We never get that in Kilkenny on a hurling note.

Oasis_Dublin

This is going to be an extremely difficult game for Dublin. They have been very unimpressive going through Leinster, beating three poor enough teams. The League final showed that Dublin's mental problems, which began, in their most recent incarnation, under Tommy Lyons, have absolutely not gone away.

That said, however, you could argue that it's a good sign that they can play well and still win Leinster, including a victory against the country's third best team (Kildare!). They have only been beaten once since February and that winning habit is never a bad thing to have.

Mickey Harte will love facing Dublin under these circumstances. The provincial champion has never won when these two have met at the All-Ireland QF stage. If the match is tight towards the end, Dublin will bottle as they always do against non-Leinster opposition (unless we get a late major). If either side takes a big lead, you would expect that side to win the match.

My heart says Dublin but 15 years of supporting The Boys in Blue means that my head says Tyrone, by a score or two.

JamesKav

Since when do the Dubs Bottle, in quarters or semi's. Least they get there

ondeball

JamesKav wrote: »

Since when do the Dubs Bottle, in quarters or semi's. Least they get there

Since when do they not?

When is the last time the failed to bottle it in the quarters or semis?

JamesKav

Im obviously bit one sided supporter, but still i'll back them any day.

DoctaDee

Dublinproud wrote: »

Half forward

Ooops thanks for clearing that up .. probably means Alan B lines out corner forward, plays half forward and Barry as 3rd midfielder ?

THFC wrote: »

Where do Dublin train as a matter of interest?

I'm open to contradiction, but I think they use the sports academy in DCU and have used the all weather pitches in Clontarf (Old Traffic Skule) during their winter schedule

plasmaguy wrote: »

It will be a good game...

Bernard Brogan vs Tyrone...

Should be in the balance until the last 10 minutes when Brogan runs out of steam...then Tyrone add on the scores and come out the winners.

:rolleyes: .. nice rub @ 1 man team ... another signed up member of the "ha ha" brigade, find another like minded fan and become yer own version of The Chuckle Brothers

log22 wrote: »

Im goin for tyrone in this one..because if the dubs win they will be getting their usual visions of grandeur an then they go downhill fast.We never get that in Kilkenny on a hurling note.

Yeah in fairness to KK delusions of grandeur have been well and truly knocked out of them by Tipp

JamesKav

Thats what i'm taking about, my man knows his Gaa.

bren2001

plasmaguy wrote: »

It will be a good game...

Bernard Brogan vs Tyrone...

Should be in the balance until the last 10 minutes when Brogan runs out of steam...then Tyrone add on the scores and come out the winners.

Typical view from people outside of Dublin. We are more than just Bernard Brogan this year. Infact, Gilroy has set the team up, so that teams that come in and assume if Brogan is shut down then Dublin are shut down, are shown the truth. Yes, it has not really been shown in the Championship this year but it has been in the league.

Most teams throw two men on Brogan and that leaves one man free. That is exploited to no end. Even when teams do that he is getting in and around 6 points a match, granted he takes a lot of the frees.

DoctaDee wrote: »

I'm open to contradiction, but I think they use the sports academy in DCU and have used the all weather pitches in Clontarf (Old Traffic Skule) during their winter schedule

I thought they use St. Claires.

They don't use the traffic school, sure training through the winter is banned now. Ive never seen the team at DCU sports academy grounds but I see a lot of them going to the DCU gym, mainly Cluxton.

Matt Bianco

I think there's a few key areas that this will be won and lost:

Throughout Leinster, we have been poor but bear in mind that we have only lost once this year and have been adaptable when required. When playing Kerry in the league, we limited them to short kickouts and taking point from 40 yards+ - exactly what we did to beat Tyrone last year with seventeen wides and some short points falling to Cluxton. This strong centre eight is essential to Dublin's chances as our half backs are of concern coupled with Kavanagh's strong runs from midfield - Cahill and MDMA both need big games

Dublin's forwards need to keep their poistions if/ when Tyrone dominate. Connolly has a habit of drifting to the half forwards to become both provider and recipient and we need to give Bernard some support

Dublin need to hold their discipline - both Dublin (and the current incarnation of Tyrone) can both play open attractive football at pace. We need to stay composed and avoid stupid needless cards and dismissals as in a game this tight, a disciplinary decision could swing the advantage either way

Buoyed by eternal Dublin hope (and a nostalgic dose of the 12 apostles from '83 on Reeling in the Years last night) - Dublin by 4

DoctaDee

bren2001 wrote: »

I thought they use St. Claires.

They don't use the traffic school, sure training through the winter is banned now. Ive never seen the team at DCU sports academy grounds but I see a lot of them going to the DCU gym, mainly Cluxton.

Thanks, when I say Winter I'm talkin January ... as I said I'm open to contradiction

Matt Bianco

bren2001 wrote: »

I thought they use St. Claires.

They don't use the traffic school, sure training through the winter is banned now. Ive never seen the team at DCU sports academy grounds but I see a lot of them going to the DCU gym, mainly Cluxton.

It is St Claires that's accessed from Griffith Avenue extension. Apparently Gilroy has some stake in the facilities there from his business interests.

As an aside there's a meet and greet with the hurlers on Friday evening at 7.30pm in Parnell Park organised through FODH

keane2097

bren2001 wrote: »

Typical view from people outside of Dublin. We are more than just Bernard Brogan this year. Infact, Gilroy has set the team up, so that teams that come in and assume if Brogan is shut down then Dublin are shut down, are shown the truth. Yes, it has not really been shown in the Championship this year but it has been in the league.

I think the Wexford game should inform this statement a bit more, it really gave the impression that Dublin are a very, very limited outfit when Brogan is well managed by the opposition.

I'd be very worried if I was a Dublin fan, as I'd expect Mickey Harte to have Tyrone tactically set up to do just that.

Other Dublin forwards will need to step up in a big way this weekend, and unless Alan Brogan can have a career day I suspect they'll struggle.

I haven't been able to figure out why Gilroy changed the full forward line after the League given how devastatingly effective it had been. There's a part of me that wants to believe that he did it knowing that he could get through Leinster without it and, even if he didn't, the qualifiers were always there if needs be.

I would in no way be surprised to see the forward line of Brogan, Connolly and Brogan re-instated this Saturday with Cullen, Cahill and Flynn at half forward to stop the Tyrone half backs from having free reign going forward and MDMA and, God help us, Ross McConnell or Eamonn Fennell starting at midfield.

That being said Dublin need to be sharp to beat this Tyrone team and I think the advantage of a few weeks playing on the trot will stand to Tyrone, particularly as it has allowed them integrate some of the younger members of the panel. If the respective benches are the deciding force, which they may well be, then I can see Tyrone nicking this one by 1 or 2 points unfortunately.

Would love to see us beat Tyrone again but I think the respective paths to this game may be the ultimate deciding factor as, to a certain extent, it was last year.

keane2097

Yeah the layoff for Dublin is a terrible disadvantage.

Matt Bianco

Deleted User wrote: »

I haven't been able to figure out why Gilroy changed the full forward line after the League given how devastatingly effective it had been. There's a part of me that wants to believe that he did it knowing that he could get through Leinster without it and, even if he didn't, the qualifiers were always there if needs be.

I would in no way be surprised to see the forward line of Brogan, Connolly and Brogan re-instated this Saturday with Cullen, Cahill and Flynn at half forward to stop the Tyrone half backs from having free reign going forward and MDMA and, God help us, Ross McConnell or Eamonn Fennell starting at midfield.

Maybe the Leinster Championship has replaced the League in Gilroy's eyes as the area to experiment?

I agree that the second berth in midfield is crucial - Fennell really looks off pace and the McConnell/ MDMA partnership of last year hasn't had the opportunity to continue and progress. The presence of Brennan behind doesn't inspire confidence either if McConnell/ Fennell are having a rough time

bren2001

keane2097 wrote: »

I think the Wexford game should inform this statement a bit more, it really gave the impression that Dublin are a very, very limited outfit when Brogan is well managed by the opposition.

I'd be very worried if I was a Dublin fan, as I'd expect Mickey Harte to have Tyrone tactically set up to do just that.

Other Dublin forwards will need to step up in a big way this weekend, and unless Alan Brogan can have a career day I suspect they'll struggle.

Its the one game I didn't get to see properly this year. I was at Oxegen and I had planned to travel to Naas to watch it, however, disaster struck when my friend decided it would be a plesant time to feel sick after drinking too much the day before. He only realised just as we got to the bus and I had to bring him back....I wont mention names, he knows who he is.

I watched the highlights when I got home so I cant really comment on our last game. The only hope I have is that that was a few weeks ago and hopefully the problems have been ironed out.

We need one of the other forwards to have a good day, which I dont think is too much to ask. If Connollly stops shooting from outside the 21 and lurks around the square he will get a goal or two. With Cahill in the centre we can actually win kick outs, Cullen is a decent ball carrier and generally makes the right decision, Flynn is the same. Although I would like to see Mossy start, he got the first goal in most of our matches in the League and I think A. Brogan or Flynn would make very good impact subs as I dont think they can go for 70 minutes.

hisholinessnb

bren2001 wrote: »

I think A. Brogan or Flynn would make very good impact subs as I dont think they can go for 70 minutes.

Seriously???
Alan Brogan has been man of the match for every championship game Dublin have played this year. It would be crazy to drop him on his current form.

keane2097

Yeah I hope Dublin do it, I always shout for them unless they're playing Kerry.

I do think they're up against it in this one though.

hisholinessnb

ondeball wrote: »

Since when do they not?

When is the last time the failed to bottle it in the quarters or semis?

Last years quarter final, unless they bottled it and still won :rolleyes:

This old "bottled" talk is, and I will probably offend some people here, frankly just plain stupid. Funny how every time Dublin lose a game they automatically "bottled it".

On most of the occasions over the last few years when Dublin were beaten in the later stages, it was purely as they were playing superior teams.
And frankly its an insult to the teams who beat them to say it was Dublin bottling it, not the better team winning, plain and simple.

The one single occasion I would say Dublin bottled it was in the semi versus Mayo a few years back.

Just because a team loses a good lead doesn't mean they bottled it. Last years semi final is a perfect example. Composure, hard work and experience helped Cork claw back a lead against and inexperienced side.

Bottling is a lazy stereotype used by fans who don't really know what they are talking about, or have major chips on their shoulders.

By the way, I think Tyrone will win

Oasis_Dublin

hisholinessnb wrote: »

Last years quarter final, unless they bottled it and still won :rolleyes:

This old "bottled" talk is, and I will probably offend some people here, frankly just plain stupid. Funny how every time Dublin lose a game they automatically "bottled it".

On most of the occasions over the last few years when Dublin were beaten in the later stages, it was purely as they were playing superior teams.
And frankly its an insult to the teams who beat them to say it was Dublin bottling it, not the better team winning, plain and simple.

The one single occasion I would say Dublin bottled it was in the semi versus Mayo a few years back.

Just because a team loses a good lead doesn't mean they bottled it. Last years semi final is a perfect example. Composure, hard work and experience helped Cork claw back a lead against and inexperienced side.

Bottling is a lazy stereotype used by fans who don't really know what they are talking about, or have major chips on their shoulders.

By the way, I think Tyrone will win

Ah would you ever give over! Kildare 2000 Leinster Final replay, Armagh 2002 (the timing of the Dublin goal and the sheer amount of chances for points in the last 10 minutes + stoppage time), 2003 against Laois, 2006 Mayo, Cork 2010 (led from the first minute until the 68th, led by 4 points after 55 minutes) and finally the 2011 NFL Final (lost from 8 points up with twenty three minutes to go).

Also, the manner of defeats to Tyrone 2008, Kerry 2009 and Meath 2010 was pretty terrible. They had given up the ghost long before the 70th minute.

bren2001

hisholinessnb wrote: »

Seriously???
Alan Brogan has been man of the match for every championship game Dublin have played this year. It would be crazy to drop him on his current form.

Bold decisions need to be made alright. I don't think Alan Brogan has been man of the match once so far. I think he is hugely over rated, yet he still is one of our best players.

I just think he dies away towards the end of a game, I dont think he has 70 minutes in him and would be more effective if we brought him on just before or after half time. Tyrone will come out of the dressing room and punch Dublin around the pitch for a while, AB generally dies away in physical matches.

keane2097

Alan Brogan practically beat Wexford on his own IMO.

hisholinessnb

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

Ah would you ever give over! Kildare 2000 Leinster Final replay, Armagh 2002 (the timing of the Dublin goal and the sheer amount of chances for points in the last 10 minutes + stoppage time), 2003 against Laois, 2006 Mayo, Cork 2010 (led from the first minute until the 68th, led by 4 points after 55 minutes) and finally the 2011 NFL Final (lost from 8 points up with twenty three minutes to go).

Also, the manner of defeats to Tyrone 2008, Kerry 2009 and Meath 2010 was pretty terrible. They had given up the ghost long before the 70th minute.

I could list off most counties in the country, and point out games they threw away leads in, and other games they were hammered in over the past 11 years.

Yet Dublin choke, the others just lose???

You can guarantee that if Dublin lose this week, no matter what the manner of defeat, it will be called a "choke".
Lazy stereotypes

dcr22B

bren2001 wrote: »

Bold decisions need to be made alright. I don't think Alan Brogan has been man of the match once so far. I think he is hugely over rated, yet he still is one of our best players.

I just think he dies away towards the end of a game, I dont think he has 70 minutes in him and would be more effective if we brought him on just before or after half time. Tyrone will come out of the dressing room and punch Dublin around the pitch for a while, AB generally dies away in physical matches.

Jesus Christ, you haven't been watching our matches properly. I've had Alan nailed on as our MOTm in all 3 of our games so far this summer. He's been immense and he's vital for us this weekend!

hisholinessnb

dcr22B wrote: »

Jesus Christ, you haven't been watching our matches properly. I've had Alan nailed on as our MOTm in all 3 of our games so far this summer. He's been immense and he's vital for us this weekend!

Totally agree with that, not only has he been our best player, he has worked harder and covered more ground that most of the younger players who apparantly have 70 minutes in them! The suggestion he be left on the bench is absurd.

bren2001

dcr22B wrote: »

Jesus Christ, you haven't been watching our matches properly. I've had Alan nailed on as our MOTm in all 3 of our games so far this summer. He's been immense and he's vital for us this weekend!

He has been important for us. If fitness and stamina was removed from the equation then yes, he would be one of the first names down on my teamsheet. He is an excellent player. I didnt see the Wexford game properly, only saw the highlights after as I was at Oxegen and I ended up not being able to make it to Naas to watch it.

I just feel in such a physical game I think he will die away and would have more of an influence as an off the bench player. It also would help our problem of dying away towards the end of a match. He would give the stadium and the team a lift.

dcr22B

No disrespect bren2001 but Alan has been vital to a lot of Dublin's success thus far in 2011 and I'd have no diffuclty in saying that we'd have won the league final had he not been suspended (that still irks me as the incident that led to his suspension was handbags to say the least)!

bren2001

dcr22B wrote: »

No disrespect bren2001 but Alan has been vital to a lot of Dublin's success thus far in 2011 and I'd have no diffuclty in saying that we'd have won the league final had he not been suspended (that still irks me as the incident that led to his suspension was handbags to say the least)!

He has been vital. He has been essential in every game we have played. When you look at the stats he is up their as one of our best players. I dont deny how good he actually is. I agree, he would of made a difference in the League final.

If we were playing a less physical team I would start him. Tactically I think against Tyrone it may be best to protect him for a while and start a taller more physical player like Cahill. I don't think its a ludicrous suggestion. Its not about starting your best 15 players, its about starting the best 15 players for any given match and against Tyrone we need to have physical players out there and I dont think AB is physical.

Oasis_Dublin

hisholinessnb wrote: »

I could list off most counties in the country, and point out games they threw away leads in, and other games they were hammered in over the past 11 years.

Yet Dublin choke, the others just lose???

You can guarantee that if Dublin lose this week, no matter what the manner of defeat, it will be called a "choke".
Lazy stereotypes

This is a discussion about Dublin, not other counties. Losing games from 6 points up (2000), 7 points up (2006), 5 points up (2010) and 8 points up (2011) is not bottling. And I don't know what I'm talking about. Right so.:rolleyes:

log22

Yeah in fairness to KK delusions of grandeur have been well and truly knocked out of them by Tipp [/QUO

We had no delusions we knew they were good enough they were out to get us for 09

Royal Dub

Huge Dubs fan,

But a lot of similarities to the 2008 championship here - Tyrone coming in will all the momentum, Dubs sitting on their arses for 3/4 weeks, Tyrone blew them away 3.14 to 1.8. Dublin had blown wexford away in the LF, some would say we are not even as good this year while Tyrone have young hungry blood coming through with P Harte etc

Really hope I am wrong :-(

Oasis_Dublin

Apparently it's going to be wet also. The similarities with 2008 grow.

JamesKav

We're looking at a rocking game rain or shine, I better be able to make it in cause Dubs are rock'n it.

billyhead

If we keep Sean Cavanagh quiet (don't give him the space he had against the Rossies) it will be half the battle;). Gilroy should start Barry Cahill or even Bryan Cullen to do a man marking job on him and track him all over the pitch.

DoctaDee

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

Apparently it's going to be wet also. The similarities with 2008 grow.

Noooooooo ... deja vu .. soon as we seen the rain in 2008 felt it played into Tyrone's hands

DoctaDee

billyhead wrote: »

If we keep Sean Cavanagh quiet (don't give him the space he had against the Rossies) it will be half the battle;). Gilroy should start Barry Cahill or even Bryan Cullen to do a man marking job on him and track him all over the pitch.

Cavanagh's best work is from further out the field ... he was anonymous last year in @ FF with O'Carroll on him .. soon as he moved further out his influence grew. Expect to see a lot of ball bypassing midfield (short kick outs etc) to negate the influence of SC and Kevin Hughes, I would laso expect Cahill to play a lot deeper from Half Forward.

K-9

DoctaDee wrote: »

Cavanagh's best work is from further out the field ... he was anonymous last year in @ FF with O'Carroll on him .. soon as he moved further out his influence grew. Expect to see a lot of ball bypassing midfield (short kick outs etc) to negate the influence of SC and Kevin Hughes, I would laso expect Cahill to play a lot deeper from Half Forward.

Tyrone at their best are happy enough with that and use it themselves.

I can see the huge similarities with 08, even stretches to Kerry on the other side!

I called Tyrone beating Dublin in 08, can't call this one. Can't see a capitulation from Dublin at all. Think it'll come down from a moment of brilliance from somebody, on that basis I say Tyrone as they've more players capable of that.