Is Nigeria the new England?

AskMyChocolate

I was out having a couple of beers the other day, and I got chatting to this black lad at the bar. We'd barely exchanged a few sentences before he said to me, "I'm not from Nigeria btw, I'm Angolan".

Reminded me of times where you'd point out that you were Irish rather than English and would be treated better.

Do we hate Nigerians that much? And if so, why? And, is it merited?

Of course once I found out that he wasn't Nigerian we ended up getting sh1tfaced.:pac: Didn't back any winners though.

joshrogan

No, he was just pointing that he wasn't Nigerian. If he went into more specific's like "I hate them nigerians" or "don't compare me to them, we're nothing alike" then you'd have a case.

biko

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

Do we hate Nigerians that much?

No but I'd guess it's a pretty safe bet. Most black people I've met in Ireland are Nigerian.
I gave a lift to a guy a while back so he could get into town, turns out he was from Zimbabwe. Kinda had an Aussie accent so that why I asked where he was from.

tallaghtmick

You should have stormed off saying I hate poxy angola.

fedor.2.

Im pretty sure it is

Temptamperu

nigerians have a bad rap in africa so i have heard.

Eric Cartman

even my african friends hate nigerians, I have never met anyone black/white/asian/african/muslim who could say anything positive about that hell hole

CardBordWindow

Angolans are a proud people.

Guill

How much did he scam from you with his "Angolian" scam??

fedor.2.

Temptamperu wrote: »

nigerians have a bad rap in africa so i have heard.

Yes ive seen Nigerians trying to rap in the past, awful it was

I'm moving in with a cool Nigerian guy in the next few days if we find enough people.. People think Ireland is racist.. Nope. Go somewhere where expats don't have to worry about people from home knowing their thoughts and you'll find some seriously racist people.

It's amazing.. Americans, Canadians, Irish, British etc. talk here about Nigerians as if their dogs and they do it so openly. Feking BS.

Oh_Noes

Any Nigerians I know or have met have been grand to be honest. No common negative cultural traits between them. I wouldn't compare them to the English because whenever you meet a group of English men they're drunk and obnoxious.

The only reason I can think of to speak negatively of Nigerians is all that phone/internet scamming that goes on. That's hardly representative of such a huge country.

AskMyChocolate

joshrogan wrote: »

No, he was just pointing that he wasn't Nigerian. If he went into more specific's like "I hate them nigerians" or "don't compare me to them, we're nothing alike" then you'd have a case.

Jaysus man, I'm not trying to make any case. Just found it interesting. Keep it happy.

Lone Stone

I went on a date with a Nigerian girl she told me awfull things about Nigeria and how people behave over there i was fairly shocked by it so i from what she told me about the culture of violence there im not surprised some people are wary or dislike Nigerians.

Sykk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

even my african friends hate nigerians, I have never met anyone black/white/asian/african/muslim who could say anything positive about that hell hole

Ethnicity distiction fail... Racist bastard!!

mackg

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

I was out having a couple of beers the other day, and I got chatting to this black lad at the bar. We'd barely exchanged a few sentences before he said to me, "I'm not from Nigeria btw, I'm Angolan".

Reminded me of times where you'd point out that you were Irish rather than English and would be treated better.

Do we hate Nigerians that much? And if so, why? And, is it merited?

Of course once I found out that he wasn't Nigerian we ended up getting sh1tfaced.:pac: Didn't back any winners though.

Maybe all this time the people who we thought were nigerians were actually angolans who didn't want to admit they were from angola:eek:

dsmythy

Same thing the Irish often do when away from home. "I'm not English, I'm Irish." An attempt to distance oneself from what may be an unpopular nationality.

dpe

Oh_Noes wrote: »

Any Nigerians I know or have met have been grand to be honest. No common negative cultural traits between them. I wouldn't compare them to the English because whenever you meet a group of English men they're drunk and obnoxious.

The only reason I can think of to speak negatively of Nigerians is all that phone/internet scamming that goes on. That's hardly representative of such a huge country.

Commenting on a stereotype with...another stereotype. Well done.

CorkMan

Guill wrote: »

How much did he scam from you with his "Angolian" scam??

10 pints and 4 shots.

Son Of A Vidic

OP - reminds me of some lads I knew in London, that were from Zimbabwe and Ghana. When I first met them, they went out of their way to point out they weren't Nigerian. They had absolute contempt for Nigerians actually.

mikemac

I'm from Munster but definitely not from Cork

im invisible

i thought New England was in the north-east corner of the states??

AskMyChocolate

Guill wrote: »

How much did he scam from you with his "Angolian" scam??

Bastard hit me for a pint of Carlsberg. Then I hit him for a Bottle of McArdle's. Then he hit me again for another Carlsberg, so I hit him right back for another McArdles. Then he hits me AGAIN for another Carlsberg... well there was no way I was letting that go....

I can't remember who paid for the kebabs.

pappyodaniel

What were you doing chatting up a stranger in a bar and then trying to get him drunk. Were you on the pull?

The guy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

even my african friends hate nigerians, I have never met anyone black/white/asian/african/muslim who could say anything positive about that hell hole

This, a lot of Africans have a hatred against Nigerians.

Also Nigeria is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

Toby Take a Bow

Oh_Noes wrote: »

Any Nigerians I know or have met have been grand to be honest. No common negative cultural traits between them. I wouldn't compare them to the English because whenever you meet a group of English men they're drunk and obnoxious.

Not true. The last time I met a group of English people, they were politely looking for the National Gallery, whilst clearly sober.

johndaman66

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

Do we hate Nigerians that much? And if so, why? And, is it merited?

Based on your thread title and that sentence do you hate the English that much and if so why and is it merited?

CucaFace

Well from what I’ve heard and experienced (Some are complete gansters in the Taxi business) I would be very cautious with Nigerians.

They don't have that rep for nothing and they seem to have different values that they think they can bring here and get away. They don't want to play by our rules here.

Obviously it’s not fair to tarnish all Nigerians like this but IMO some Nigerians give the whole of Africa a very bad rep over here and i would fully understand why other Africans go out of their way to let you know they are not from there.

Oh_Noes

dpe wrote: »

Commenting on a stereotype with...another stereotype. Well done.

I started off by making it clear that I'm speaking about the people I've come across. It's based on experience and not a stereotype.

AskMyChocolate

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

"I'm not from Nigeria btw, I'm Angolan".
Reminded me of times where you'd point out that you were Irish rather than English and would be treated better.

The area where my aunt and a few of my cousins live has a large-ish Nigerian community and they've all had trouble from Nigerian neighbours in the past few years. One of my cousins married a Nigerian and it went pretty badly too.

The bad experiences I'm talking about pretty much boils down to an overly aggressive/defensive attitude, which seems to be from a "defend our community and assume everyone else is an enemy" attitude. I am 100% sure (from experience) that this is not what all or even most Nigerians are like, but sadly the majority that my family has had interaction with have been like this, and have caused a whole lot of trouble for everyone around them. Judging from the trouble my relatives had, they don't seem to have respect for anything.

I'd love to be perfectly reasonable and logical, and remind myself that you can't judge one person on another person's behaviour, but I have to admit that if I had new neighbours, I'd be put off going over to say hello if they were Nigerian, whereas if I heard they were Angolan I would. Certainly when introduced to someone Nigerian I don't assume they're going to be aggressive, but thinking abstractly about it I do relate a certain attitude with the nationality.

jayteecork

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

I was out having a couple of beers the other day, and I got chatting to this black lad at the bar. We'd barely exchanged a few sentences before he said to me, "I'm not from Nigeria btw, I'm Angolan".

Reminded me of times where you'd point out that you were Irish rather than English and would be treated better.

Do we hate Nigerians that much? And if so, why? And, is it merited?

Of course once I found out that he wasn't Nigerian we ended up getting sh1tfaced.:pac: Didn't back any winners though.

Chuck Stone

So there was a black guy at the bar all by himself and you were buying him drinks all night....


.. go on

CorkMan

Chuck Stone wrote: »

So there was a black guy at the bar all by himself and you were buying him drinks all night....


.. go on

*Angolian.

BOHtox

Nigeria elect new Prime Minister- David Camara

mikemac

They all look the same to me

Mike 1972

On boards and elsewhere there seems to be this wierd notion of late that racism is somehow less unacceptable if its directed at a narrower more specific target group.

i.e. one can get away with comments regarding specific nationalities within Africa that would get one flamed/banned if directed at Africans in general.

Similarly in relation to Europeans some people seem to have this delusion that by saying they "dont mind" people from Poland but bad mouth Romanians their racism is somehow of a more sophisticated form.

SuperInfinity

Mike 1972 wrote: »

On boards and elsewhere there seems to be this wierd notion of late that racism is somehow less unacceptable if its directed at a narrower more specific target group.

i.e. one can get away with comments regarding specific nationalities within Africa that would get one flamed/banned if directed at Africans in general.

Similarly in relation to Europeans some people seem to have this delusion that by saying they "dont mind" people from Poland but bad mouth Romanians their racism is somehow of a more sophisticated form.

It's not "of late", it's always the way and it makes sense.

It's not racism also, it's observations of activities for whatever socioeconomic or cultural reasons.

It's also not nice to call people "racist", and people should be careful before doing so, especially since it can discourage freedom of expression or communication.

Eric Cartman

Mike 1972 wrote: »

On boards and elsewhere there seems to be this wierd notion of late that racism is somehow less unacceptable if its directed at a narrower more specific target group.

i.e. one can get away with comments regarding specific nationalities within Africa that would get one flamed/banned if directed at Africans in general.

Similarly in relation to Europeans some people seem to have this delusion that by saying they "dont mind" people from Poland but bad mouth Romanians their racism is somehow of a more sophisticated form.

its like hating junkies , people playing music on the bus or smokers , its taking traits a group share that you dont like , and dislike the group because of it, its not racism , you dont know every junkie in dublin but youd keep away from them , just like I dont know every nigerian but id never give them any money

dpe

Oh_Noes wrote: »

Any Nigerians I know or have met have been grand to be honest. No common negative cultural traits between them. I wouldn't compare them to the English because whenever you meet a group of English men they're drunk and obnoxious.

The only reason I can think of to speak negatively of Nigerians is all that phone/internet scamming that goes on. That's hardly representative of such a huge country.

Oh_Noes wrote: »

I started off by making it clear that I'm speaking about the people I've come across. It's based on experience and not a stereotype.

So every time you've ever met two or more Englishmen, they've been drunk and obnoxious? Every time? Every. Single. Time? OK. Sure. Not a stereotype at all.

RichieC

There are different er.. I suppose tribes in Nigeria, one is known for their business savvy or money making skills, can't remember what they are called. I reckon they are they are the chancers we all know and love over here

Big Nasty

I like Nigers! :pac:

FetchTheGin

RichieC wrote: »

There are different er.. I suppose tribes in Nigeria, one is known for their business savvy or money making skills, can't remember what they are called. I reckon they are they are the chancers we all know and love over here

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71692692

They are learning from the best. :rolleyes:

Monty Burnz

Nigeria has a lot of different ethnic groups, and I'm not sure which ones come with the culture that is so unpopular. But I would observe that it's not racist to say that you don't like a particular culture - I don't think anyone would jump down your throat of you said you didn't like Nazi Germany (more of a fad than a culture, I suppose) or the culture that generates and supports the Taleban in Afghanistan.

Rejecting a culture says nothing about a 'race'.

Mike 1972

Since when was Nazism a "culture"

Tim the Enchanter

AskMyChocolateFriend wrote: »

I was out having a couple of beers the other day, and I got chatting to this black lad at the bar. We'd barely exchanged a few sentences before he said to me, "I'm not from Nigeria btw, I'm Angolan".

Reminded me of times where you'd point out that you were Irish rather than English and would be treated better.

Do we hate Nigerians that much? And if so, why? And, is it merited?

Of course once I found out that he wasn't Nigerian we ended up getting sh1tfaced.:pac: Didn't back any winners though.

FYP

Monty Burnz

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Since when was Nazism a "culture"

That would be why I clarified that it was a 'fad' rather than a culture in the post. Have another look.

getz

dpe wrote: »

So every time you've ever met two or more Englishmen, they've been drunk and obnoxious? Every time? Every. Single. Time? OK. Sure. Not a stereotype at all.

when i was a kid in the 50s in manchester i used to go with my mates down to the pub,on friday night,just to watch the drunken irishmen fight each other for their wages,so now he thinks i should believe all irishmen are drunks and louts,i

x_Ellie_x

Temptamperu wrote: »

nigerians have a bad rap in africa so i have heard.

I've noticed that. I an avid reader and I've read several novels by African authors (all from various different African countries) and they seem to have a lot of negative things to say about Nigerians. I don't understand why. I've met a few Nigerians and I thought they were all sound.

BrendaN_f

lol, so much ignorance ITT

to the people saying "oh even the other africans hate nigeria" as if that's some sort of justification... what? that's just typical national pride. a LOT of irish people will talk sh*t about england and badmouth it, but we all know that it is just bullsh*t bred into them by their parents/some other source

nigeria is a huge country, and you must keep in mind that a lot of people who tell you some anecdote about nigerians use "nigerians" as a synonym for any black african nationality