Another HSE F*ck up !! and no-one sacked.

PCPhoto

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/conmen-sting-hse-for-euro7000-in-internet-scam-2836402.html

THE HSE made a series of payments totalling €7,000 to conmen over the course of three years after an official was duped by an internet scam, the Irish Independent has learned.

The fraud was only uncovered by an internal audit after a manager queried an unsolicited invoice submitted by a bogus company, supposedly based in Spain.

The company emailed the HSE inviting it to advertise the addresses and phone numbers of services in a "free" European directory.

An official based in the west of Ireland signed up to the directory, giving details for University College Hospital Galway, Portiuncula hospital, and St Brigid's psychiatric hospital in Ballinasloe, Co Galway.

But buried in the small print was a clause which committed the HSE to making payments to the company over several years.

A recent HSE audit discovered that the guide which had been signed up for did not exist -- despite claims by the bogus company that it provided the service on the internet and by CD-ROM.

It also established that a series of payments, totalling €7,000, had been made to the conmen between 2005 and 2008.

The discovery of the fraud prompted a warning to HSE managers to tighten up on financial procedures.

A HSE spokesman said: "An instruction was issued to all managers to cease certifying invoice for payments for these registrations and listings."

The same type of scam has ensnared thousands of unwitting victims across Europe in recent years.

Fianna Fail MEP Liam Aylward, who recently raised the issue in the European Parliament, said the European Commission and member states were not doing enough to help businesses who had been caught up in this fraud.

"These scams have hit business in Ireland and masquerade as legitimate directories and then charge unsuspecting businesses for a service they did not ask for," he said.

He said that while there was an EU directive in place since 2006 about misleading advertising, tougher legislation was needed.

ok... maybe I'm reading it wrong but .... someone sent an invoice into the HSE and they paid it (didn't question if the work was done or who the people were just paid it !!)...and in the process signed up to a subscription service - which they didn't stop for a number of years..... hmmm... click here to deposit money in my account be voted best worker in the HSE.

Seriously - I know this happened during the boom but its just another example of incompetence in the HSE (management level !)

Do we know if the offending manager was disciplined ? were they sacked ? - Doubt it ....(if only it could it be a sackable offence to be stupid/gullible !!)

Let the HSE (Management) bashing ....begin !!

W.Shakes-Beer

Over an hour has passed I see.

What do you think of the weather OP?

meditraitor

PCPhoto wrote: »

Let the HSE (Management) bashing ....begin !!

the indo website is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thata way brother!

theg81der

"These scams have hit business in Ireland and masquerade as legitimate directories and then charge unsuspecting businesses for a service they did not ask for," he said.

No they haven`t cause other businesses had to be careful with their money and its tightly controlled, yes even in the boom.

Like you wouldn`t even have googled the service or anything? ffs how thick can people be. The manager, like many others in the HSE and other government services, is probably still trying to pretend he understands the interweb and since they don`t have to accept training offered and can`t be demoted we`ll have to wait for them to die off!

L.Jenkins

HSE is public sector. You'd practically have to rape the minister for health in the dail before they might consider sacking you.

Musicman2006

I dont even care any more. This place is so fu.cked up none of the new revelations can shock me. But at least we've got a great bunch of politicians to manage our 0.2 trillion euro debt, a lovely safe bunch of priests who wont violently rape our kids and a potential president who wont defend the peadophiles if they do on the off chance rape our kids. Remind me again why I live here???!

squod

What did the invoice look like ? Might send them a bill just to test them like...........:D

henryporter

:eek:

orourkeda

PCPhoto wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/conmen-sting-hse-for-euro7000-in-internet-scam-2836402.html


ok... maybe I'm reading it wrong but .... someone sent an invoice into the HSE and they paid it (didn't question if the work was done or who the people were just paid it !!)...and in the process signed up to a subscription service - which they didn't stop for a number of years..... hmmm... click here to deposit money in my account be voted best worker in the HSE.

Seriously - I know this happened during the boom but its just another example of incompetence in the HSE (management level !)

Do we know if the offending manager was disciplined ? were they sacked ? - Doubt it ....(if only it could it be a sackable offence to be stupid/gullible !!)

Let the HSE (Management) bashing ....begin !!

The whole world would be out of a job

Son Of A Vidic

ItsThatManAgain wrote: »

HSE is public sector. You'd practically have to rape the minister for health in the dail before they might consider sacking you.

The above applies to permanent staff only. But the staff on temporary contracts, the people who actually do the work. Well they are always sackable in the HSE.

Crazy Horse 6

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

The above applies to permanent staff only. But the staff on temporary contracts, the people who actually do the work. Well they are always sackable in the HSE.

It's just a fact of life permanent PS staff just are'nt sacked. Anyone who works inside the PS will tell you this.

PCPhoto

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

It's just a fact of life permanent PS staff just are'nt sacked. Anyone who works inside the PS will tell you this.

it seems like anyone who works outside the PS can tell you this also !!

booboo88

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

The above applies to permanent staff only. But the staff on temporary contracts, the people who actually do the work. Well they are always sackable in the HSE.

Im pretty sure the managers in hse arent on temp contracts, ah sure, its not the first boo boo they've made, wont be the last

Son Of A Vidic

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

It's just a fact of life permanent PS staff just are'nt sacked. Anyone who works inside the PS will tell you this.

I'm well aware of that alright and that's what is wrong with this country. I left the HSE because I just got sick of the repeated incompetent, inefficient bullshít.

Gummy Panda

We use to get these letters in my job around 2008. We just binned them as they looked so unprofessional.

who the fug

Gummy Panda wrote: »

We use to get these letters in my job around 2008. We just binned them as they looked so unprofessional.

Used to get them in 1990, only then it was a telex directory nothing new

EverEvolving

squod wrote: »

What did the invoice look like ? Might send them a bill just to test them like...........:D

I'd say the will be inundated with faux invoices in the coming weeks.

This could be the tip of the iceberg, what did they need to be in a European directory for anyway even if it was legit?

alphabeat

nuke the HSE from orbit ,
its the only way to be sure , etc

KilOit

Should see the lemons I work with in the hse, absolute disgrace some of them keep their job, don't get me started with the management. It really is as bad as people make out.

Crazy Horse 6

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

I'm well aware of that alright and that's what is wrong with this country. I left the HSE because I just got sick of the repeated incompetent, inefficient bullshít.

A family member works in the PS and some of the tales shes told are depressing. To think still when the country is on it's knees this stuff still goes on in simply unacceptable.

Gummy Panda

who the fug wrote: »

Used to get them in 1990, only then it was a telex directory nothing new

what the hell is telex?

Solnskaya

I see an awful lot of posts all across boards along the lines of "you'd want to see the eejits I work with in the PS". I wonder if the other PS workers are posting the same thing about the ones that are posting this sort of comment. If all the posters saying the others are thick aren't thick themselves, then quite a few of the PS must not be thick, or else are thick but just aren't self aware enough to see that they themselves are thick. If you have managed to follow this post thus far and understand what I have just said, please post somthing explaining it to me in plain english, ta.

allthedoyles

Gummy Panda wrote: »

what the hell is telex?

For you that was born in the 90's and don't know what a telex is .............well it was just like this forum .

You send a message , and then you get a reply and so on.

It was a brilliant way of communicating before the internet was invented

arybvtcw0eolkf

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

It's just a fact of life permanent PS staff just are'nt sacked. Anyone who works inside the PS will tell you this.

I know people in the defence forces who have lost their jobs for failing their annual fitness tests.

We've also random drug testing, with immediate sacking for failing your test (and independent re-test).

Its a myth that PS jobs are secure for life no matter what you do.

meditraitor

Francesca Damp Shin wrote: »

I know people in the defence forces who have lost their jobs for failing their annual fitness tests.

We've also random drug testing, with immediate sacking for failing your test (and independent re-test).

Its a myth that PS jobs are secure for life no matter what you do.

Its funny that, I could be wrong but isnt the army one of the worst paid sections of the PS?
Can you guys even negotiate for a pay rise, or oppose a pay cut?

A lot of people dont associate the defence forces with the PS, Its the middle managers in finance/health and education that are unsackable.......

wild_cat

This is what happens when you loose touch with the modern world. I'd like to know the computer literacy level of the person who put this through...



Surely they would have known that there are a vast amount of free international directories online to....


Seriously... I'll do their job for less and properly at that...

mackg

Francesca Damp Shin wrote: »

I know people in the defence forces who have lost their jobs for failing their annual fitness tests.

We've also random drug testing, with immediate sacking for failing your test (and independent re-test).

Its a myth that PS jobs are secure for life no matter what you do.

A friend in the army says they are getting stricter of late as they try to let people go to cut costs.

punchdrunk

as a young lad,working as a supervisor in a shop i got a call one day from "the till roll company" in a lovely french accent telling me that we hadn't ordered in a long time and would i like to order more as "Christmas was coming" etc,now I knew full well that this was a scam as we got ours from the bank directly,so I said "go ahead send me all you've got"

about two days after this pallet of till rolls arrives,i mean enough to run a shop like ours for several years with some ridiculous invoice figure of about two grand on it

"sign here"
"not a chance mate"

I did feel sorry for the DHL guy carting this pallet of crap back to his van but I was glad the scammers would be stung for the shipping!

if a teenager earning absolutely buttons can spot a scam this easily (obviously a different situation but the principal applies),
why can't a PS manager earning probably five or six times the average wage???

Dravokivich

punchdrunk wrote: »

if a teenager earning absolutely buttons can spot a scam this easily (obviously a different situation but the principal applies),
why can't a PS manager earning probably five or six times the average wage???

It's all to do with how a con-artist approaches their victim. All I know of the case from what I read, is what was proposed to the victim and that it turned out to require a subscription fee. I haven't seen anything showing exact way it was proposed.

Your example wasn't a scam, but an over zealous sales person who you seemed to have taken advantage of.