When can we have our country back?

Liam Byrne

TDs commit fraud with impunity
Bankers do likewise
Scumbags walk the streets
Low-lifes milk the system while decent people get shafted
A church condones raping kids

Can decent people reclaim the country, or should we be the ones to leave and set up a decent country somewhere else?

I'm almost sorry that an ancestor of mine didn't steal some spuds, coz Australia & New Zealand seem to be a lot better than this cesspit excuse for a country.

And yes, some of this is prompted by the straw that broke the camel's back of some should've-been-drowned-at-birth toerag chucking a brick through my windscreen.......no chance they'll ever see punishment, while the rest of us get caught on camera and fined €80 if we even drift a few km over the limit with absolutely no intent.

I'm starting to hope that the Mayans are right so that we can start fresh after a welcome armageddon next year.

Samich

thought you were on about the IRA from the title :P

Jesus Wept

It was always this way, the only thing that has altered is your perception.

Saila

probably the same time people stop moaning

Rented Mule

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I'm starting to hope that the Mayans are right so that we can start fresh after a welcome armageddon next year.

So it's cockroaches, Keith Richards and people from limerick who will survive Armageddon ?

GSF

Samich wrote: »

thought you were on about the IRA from the title :P

or an anti-immigration rant.

Rented Mule

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I'm starting to hope that the Mayans are right so that we can start fresh after a welcome armageddon next year.

So it's cockroaches, Keith Richards and people from Limerick who will survive Armageddon ?

Denerick

Its a fúcking disgrace!

Cowen has the country cowped!

Bejesus they're all a pack of arseholes.

The government are stealing my money!

Fúcking Protestants.

The hoors!

The Greeks invented gayness.

Ad infinitum.

Mickeroo

Meh. I like living here.

mikemac

Where is The_Citizen these days, not seen his profile in ages

Has he left us to fend for ourselves?

Liam Byrne

Rented Mule wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I'm starting to hope that the Mayans are right so that we can start fresh after a welcome armageddon next year.

So it's cockroaches, Keith Richards and people from limerick who will survive Armageddon ?

Hopefully not everyone from Limerick. And I don't care which set survive and which set die, as long as I don't have to share space with the scum of the earth anymore.

Jarren

Dey Tuk R Jarbs :pac:

Absurdum

it's turrrble, Joe, shockin altogether

Liam Byrne

jarecki1976 wrote: »

Dey Tuk R Jarbs :pac:

What does that rubbish have to een remotely do with the topic?

It's a valid question - with the state having less cash and therefore Gardai having even less resources to investigate crimes, it's only going to get worse.

We need someone to stand up and implement zero tolerance across the board, and since we can't afford to jail them, we need a solution.

Otherwise life will be hell for decent people in no time.

amacca

Rented Mule wrote: »

So it's cockroaches, Keith Richards and people from Limerick who will survive Armageddon ?

well keith richards anyway...thats a given

Liam Byrne

jarecki1976 wrote: »

Dey Tuk R Jarbs :pac:

What does that rubbish have to een remotely do with the topic?

It's a valid question - with the state having less cash and therefore Gardai having even less resources to investigate crimes, it's only going to get worse.

Not to mention low-life "solicitors" like Jihn Devane and other cities' equivalents who keep these - I don't have a word - out of jail.

We need someone to stand up and implement zero tolerance across the board, and since we can't afford to jail them, we need a solution.

Otherwise life will be hell for decent people in no time.

amacca

Liam Byrne wrote: »

What does that rubbish have to een remotely do with the topic?

It's a valid question - with the state having less cash and therefore Gardai having even less resources to investigate crimes, it's only going to get worse.

We need someone to stand up and implement zero tolerance across the board, and since we can't afford to jail them, we need a solution.

Otherwise life will be hell for decent people in no time.

I agree with you....just hope your not fighting a losing battle tbh

looky loo

Liam Byrne wrote: »

TDs commit fraud with impunity
Bankers do likewise
Scumbags walk the streets
Low-lifes milk the system while decent people get shafted
A church condones raping kids

Can decent people reclaim the country, or should we be the ones to leave and set up a decent country somewhere else?

I'm almost sorry that an ancestor of mine didn't steal some spuds, coz Australia & New Zealand seem to be a lot better than this cesspit excuse for a country.

And yes, some of this is prompted by the straw that broke the camel's back of some should've-been-drowned-at-birth toerag chucking a brick through my windscreen.......no chance they'll ever see punishment, while the rest of us get caught on camera and fined €80 if we even drift a few km over the limit with absolutely no intent.

I'm starting to hope that the Mayans are right so that we can start fresh after a welcome armageddon next year.

Did you get the windscreen fixed?

Denerick

For pity's sake can't someone just say 'rabblerabbleJOErabblerabbleFEATHER THEIR OWN NESTS JOErabblerabblerabbleFOREIGNERS JOErabblerabble' and be done with it?

Einhard

Liam Byrne wrote: »

TDs commit fraud with impunity
Bankers do likewise
Scumbags walk the streets
Low-lifes milk the system while decent people get shafted
A church condones raping kids

Can decent people reclaim the country, or should we be the ones to leave and set up a decent country somewhere else?

I'm almost sorry that an ancestor of mine didn't steal some spuds, coz Australia & New Zealand seem to be a lot better than this cesspit excuse for a country.

And yes, some of this is prompted by the straw that broke the camel's back of some should've-been-drowned-at-birth toerag chucking a brick through my windscreen.......no chance they'll ever see punishment, while the rest of us get caught on camera and fined €80 if we even drift a few km over the limit with absolutely no intent.

I'm starting to hope that the Mayans are right so that we can start fresh after a welcome armageddon next year.

Jesus Liam, the way you've been going on recently, you'd swear we were living through Armageddon. Take a deep breath man, and realise that things aren't as bad as you think them to be...

mikemac

Autoglass repair, Autoglass replace

Catchy jingle

Einhard wrote: »

Jesus Liam, the way you've been going on recently, you'd swear we were living through Armageddon.

Careful, Liam gets defensive about the reputation of Limerick

Einhard

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Otherwise life will be hell for decent people in no time.

Ah FFS, come on now. Enough! Who the hell are you, and what have you done with Liam Byrne???

Liam Byrne

mikemac wrote: »

Autoglass repair, Autoglass replace

Catchy jingle

Einhard wrote: »

Jesus Liam, the way you've been going on recently, you'd swear we were living through Armageddon.

Careful, Liam gets defensive about the reputation of Limerick

Liam is a realist. He only gets defensive about UNFAIR or OTT slurs.

If someone says "Limerick has its share of scum", then I will always agree.

If someone pretends that it's full of scum, then I'll challenge their false claim.

Denerick

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Liam is a realist. He only gets defensive about UNFAIR or OTT slurs.

If someone says "Limerick has its share of scum", then I will always agree.

If someone pretends that it's full of scum, then I'll challenge their false claim.

I declare that Limerick is populated by hobbits and children of the forest.

Are you going to tell me that my declaration is false?

Liam Byrne

looky loo wrote: »

Did you get the windscreen fixed?

Irrelevant, because there are still people out there who believe this is an OK thing to do and, worse still, correctly believe that no-one will take them to account.

From Ahern to Drumm to Ratzinger to the brick-chucking advertisement for abortion, they all do what they please regardless of what's right and know that this country doesn't demand decency and accountability.

digme

Liam Byrne wrote: »

What does that rubbish have to een remotely do with the topic?

It's a valid question - with the state having less cash and therefore Gardai having even less resources to investigate crimes, it's only going to get worse.

Not to mention low-life "solicitors" like Jihn Devane and other cities' equivalents who keep these - I don't have a word - out of jail.

We need someone to stand up and implement zero tolerance across the board, and since we can't afford to jail them, we need a solution.

Otherwise life will be hell for decent people in no time.

perhaps the final solution Liam ! You know like what the Germans did. Deport the fckers

Shane L

I remember hearing that a lot of crimes have come down (rape , murder , etc) except for fraud. I think your seeing the glass as half empty.

Nodin

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Liam is a realist. He only gets defensive about UNFAIR or OTT slurs.

If someone says "Limerick has its share of scum", then I will always agree.

If someone pretends that it's full of scum, then I'll challenge their false claim.

...talking about yourself in the 3rd person now as well?

Nodin

Nodin wrote: »

...talking about yourself in the 3rd person now as well?

Nah, I think he's doing what he does every night.......

TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!!!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Liam Byrne wrote: »

TDs commit fraud with impunity
Bankers do likewise
Scumbags walk the streets
Low-lifes milk the system while decent people get shafted
A church condones raping kids

WEhat the f....>? when did this happen???!

(Please check sarcasm detectors for batteries before replying to this post)

scotty_irish

http://www.ryanair.com/en

Jarren

http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/

Liam Byrne

Thanks for the two links, lads/lasses

That's kinda my point.....is it actually so out-of-whack that decent people have to leave in order to not be soul-destroyed by the low-lifes?

Sad state of affairs if so.

And it begs the question whether - as another poster said - it was always there but less noticeable (maybe due to my idealism or refusal to look for badness in people) or has it actually gotten much worse ?

Maybe it's a bit of both ?

But again, what can we actually do to stop the rot ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Thanks for the two links, lads/lasses

That's kinda my point.....is it actually so out-of-whack that decent people have to leave in order to not be soul-destroyed by the low-lifes?

Sad state of affairs if so.

And it begs the question whether - as another poster said - it was always there but less noticeable (maybe due to my idealism or refusal to look for badness in people) or has it actually gotten much worse ?

Maybe it's a bit of both ?

But again, what can we actually do to stop the rot ?

If it helps, I left for compeltely different reasons...

Chuck Stone

have a few drinks man. It's Saturday.

holystungun9

Shane L wrote: »

I remember hearing that a lot of crimes have come down (rape , murder , etc) except for fraud. I think your seeing the glass as half empty.

Ouch! did you not read what happened his glass? Some d1ck smashed it with a brick. I can understand why he is p1ssed off and fed up.

looky loo

Dont think moving country would actually help Liam, bad people everywhere you go in this world, just dont let them wreck you're idealism and belief in good in people. Chuck is right, have a few drinks, and enjoy your weekend, these people arent worth sending your blood pressure through the roof.

Liam Byrne

looky loo wrote: »

Dont think moving country would actually help Liam, bad people everywhere you go in this world, just dont let them wreck you're idealism and belief in good in people. Chuck is right, have a few drinks, and enjoy your weekend, these people arent worth sending your blood pressure through the roof.

Appreciate that, LL......and I know that my recent posts have been completely disillusioned given the mentality of those who are supposed to make life better.

Canada might be an option, though - they seem to be "tough but fair".

Whatever about the posts, though, I know for a fact that I wouldn't ever bring a child into this world to live in this country. You have to be a complete unethical prick in order to get anywhere.

But yeah - I think I'll try to avoid becoming cynical and changing to meet the new, lower standards.

Cheers guys - and without turning it into PI and getting the resulting AH slagging......appreciate some of the comments......last night was the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of the level of hope that Ireland could be a fair and ethical country.

Guess it explains a lot in terms of votes for Ahern & Lowry & Healy-Rae; there are enough people of the same mindset around who applaud strokes and screwing others.

Maybe it has always been there but I just tried to ignore it.

Dionysus

Denerick wrote: »

Its a fúcking disgrace!

Cowen has the country cowped!

Bejesus they're all a pack of arseholes.

The government are stealing my money!

Fúcking Protestants.

Ad infinitum.

Sweet Jesus. Whatever you're taking, please desist. Thank you.

Einhard

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Whatever about the posts, though, I know for a fact that I wouldn't ever bring a child into this world to live in this country. You have to be a complete unethical prick in order to get anywhere.

So everyone in boards who has made something of themselves; everyone in society who has done alright; my father, my brother- me!-we're all unethical pricks? Seriously Liam, there's cynicism and then there's downright misanthropy.

Mickeroo

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Whatever about the posts, though, I know for a fact that I wouldn't ever bring a child into this world to live in this country. You have to be a complete unethical prick in order to get anywhere.

I appreciate what happened with the brick was pretty lousy and you need to vent a bit but it's actually a pretty great country to raise a kid in, sounds to me like you just need to get out of the area you're in, move to the countryside man. Every country has the problems you've mentioned to some extent, but they're first world problems and I for one am glad I live in a country where I only have to deal with first world problems.

Celly Smunt

the last decent people to rule were the british

Liam Byrne

Mickeroo wrote: »

I appreciate what happened with the brick was pretty lousy and you need to vent a bit but it's actually a pretty great country to raise a kid in, sounds to me like you just need to get out of the area you're in, move to the countryside man. Every country has the problems you've mentioned to some extent, but they're first world problems and I for one am glad I live in a country where I only have to deal with first world problems.

It didn't happen in the area I live in. I was visiting a friend.

It was in one of the areas that would have been regarded as reasonably good.

And yeah, it rattled me. I would actually (ironically) have more respect for someone who actually STOLE something - at least there's a point to that.

But as I said earlier, don't assume that it's all about that; the goings-on with Ahern, Drumm, Fitzpatrick, the catholic church, and a whole host of other things have really, really made me question whether this country has a future.

Decent people are battered left, right and centre with taxes to fund all of the above, including the ASBO candidates who have no interest in actually RAISING a child.

Einhard, there is some truth in what you say, I'll acknowledge that. But if I was an irresponsible layabout or a completely unethical businessman I'd be rich today. I have said before that I hate over-generalisations, so I should live up to that and acknowledge that some decent people have succeeded, but I think it would be fair to say that that, in general, is "against the odds".

Mickeroo

Liam Byrne wrote: »

It didn't happen in the area I live in. I was visiting a friend.

It was in one of the areas that would have been regarded as reasonably good.

And yeah, it rattled me. I would actually (ironically) have more respect for someone who actually STOLE something - at least there's a point to that.

But as I said earlier, don't assume that it's all about that; the goings-on with Ahern, Drumm, Fitzpatrick, the catholic church, and a whole host of other things have really, really made me question whether this country has a future.

Decent people are battered left, right and centre with taxes to fund all of the above, including the ASBO candidates who have no interest in actually RAISING a child.

Einhard, there is some truth in what you say, I'll acknowledge that. But if I was an irresponsible layabout or a completely unethical businessman I'd be rich today. I have said before that I hate over-generalisations, so I should live up to that and acknowledge that some decent people have succeeded, but I think it would be fair to say that that, in general, is "against the odds".

You're right about the tax, the amount we pay here is literally criminal.

Liam Byrne

Small point : the brick wasn't "pretty lousy"; it was criminal damage but the Gardai had no real interest because it wasn't "serious" enough and they were unlikely to get anywhere without CCTV.....and as I said earlier, that's partially a resources problem.

It was, however criminal damage. And phrasing it as anything other than that is wrong.

Mickeroo

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Small point : the brick wasn't "pretty lousy"; it was criminal damage but the Gardai had no real interest because it wasn't "serious" enough and they were unlikely to get anywhere without CCTV.....and as I said earlier, that's partially a resources problem.

It was, however criminal damage. And phrasing it as anything other than that is wrong.

Ara now, I wasn't trying to trivialise it, it's just a figure of speech I use all the time to refer to all sorts of things ranging from people using up all the milk, to bricks through wind shields, all the way up to car bombs in major european cities.

Liam Byrne

Mickeroo wrote: »

Ara now, I wasn't trying to trivialise it, it's just a figure of speech I use all the time to refer to all sorts of things ranging from people using up all the milk, to bricks through wind shields, all the way up to car bombs in major european cities.

I appreciate that you weren't "trying" to trivialise it, but the language used to describe crime and other issues in Ireland is having that effect.

"wrong place at the wrong time" is used for victims, even though they were perfectly entitled to be wherever they were at whatever time; it's the scumbag whose actions we should be describing, not the victim's.

Similarly "burning the bondholders" is used to describe "making them face their losses" - again making the required action by the rest of us seem unreasonable.

The cop the other night said "probably someone on the way home drunk from the pub" - I've often done that and it has never led to me doing criminal damage.

syklops

Einhard wrote: »

Jesus Liam, the way you've been going on recently, you'd swear we were living through Armageddon. Take a deep breath man, and realise that things aren't as bad as you think them to be...

Glad to see its not just me who is noticing it.

Eve_Dublin

I live in Spain and if I felt like it, there's plenty I could come on here an rant about. Corruption, people looking out only for themselves (struggling to carry your suitcase up some stairs in the Metro, for example? No one EVER helps you), the imminent election of anti bloody everything right-wing conservative party later this year, crap salaries, crap labour laws, the exploitation of workers (myself included), careless drivers, sexism, casual racism, police acting like the Falange, crime, murder, small-mindedness... Nowhere is perfect. I try to look for the positives (and there's plenty) and actually get off my hole and DO something about it like join this movement going on here instead moaning on the internet.

Why not be the man to start something??? Not having a go at you, I understand your anger particularly after what happened to your car but it's not everyone, it's not the majority who carry on that way. Most people are good and are decent and are trying to just live their lives and be happy, at least in my experience....there's enough dissatisfaction in the country to start something. I'm not talking about Greek-style revolting but what's going on here in Spain is a good template. Use that anger and DO something.

Aidric

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Ahern

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Ahern

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Ahern

Jesus, can you actually manage to go one thread without mentioning Bertie Ahern. It's actually fúcking pathetic.

Use you energies for something positive instead of rabbiting on about Ahern & FF on boards.

Rented Mule

Aidric wrote: »

Use you energies for something positive instead of rabbiting on about Ahern & FF on boards.

Apparently, you're not familiar with the AH forum ?