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is ireland legally independent?

  • 29-07-2011 9:21pm
    #1
    paky
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    in 1919 dail eireann was establised by a democratically elected parliament who represented the 32 counties of ireland. when the anglo irish treaty was put to vote only 26 counties voted on it excluding 6 counties. how did the treaty posess any legality if a portion of the island was already excluded from the vote yet all members of the 32 county dail voted on it ?


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  • #2
    dev100
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    paky wrote: »
    in 1919 dail eireann was establised by a democratically elected parliament who represented the 32 counties of ireland. when the anglo irish treaty was put to vote only 26 counties voted on it excluding 6 counties. how did the treaty posess any legality if a portion of the island was already excluded from the vote yet all members of the 32 county dail voted on it ?

    From reading rte news online . I'd say all our rights and independence is long gone ....


  • #3
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    paky wrote: »
    in 1919 dail eireann was establised by a democratically elected parliament who represented the 32 counties of ireland. when the anglo irish treaty was put to vote only 26 counties voted on it excluding 6 counties. how did the treaty posess any legality if a portion of the island was already excluded from the vote yet all members of the 32 county dail voted on it ?
    You could always ask the Supreme Court. Unless, of course, you don't recognise the Supreme Court since it's not the SC of a 32-county republic, in which case you could ask the SC of the 32-county republic for a judgement.

    That might be tricky, since that republic doesn't exist. Which leaves you with a choice: you can deal with the fact, which the overwhelming majority came to terms with a very long time ago, that Ireland is, in fact, an independent country with its own judicial system; or you can appeal to the House of Lords if you don't think we're independent.

    Let us know how you get on.


  • #4
    imme
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    Afaik the 1919 Dail wasn't recognised in international law. Case closed.


  • #5
    ddef
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    imme wrote: »
    Afaik the 1919 Dail wasn't recognised in international law. Case closed.

    How the hell is that case closed? what about 1920 Dail?


  • #6
    Seloth
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    The first Irish gov in the 20th century was the one emerging from 1922.Although for our history it was the 1918 one but internationally nada


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  • #7
    anymore
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    .In fact...


  • #8
    JustinDee
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    Since 1948 when it was no longer a part of British Dominion, I would have thought.


  • #9
    RMD
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    Since none of the self-proclaimed Irish governments were recognized until the 1922 Anglo-Irish treaty, they hold no position in law. In the eyes of the law, the 32 county Dail wasn't a legal government. Even then, it was only a dominion of Britain and not wholly independent to make it's own choices.


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