Winchester Super Short Magnum .223

jimmyd87

Seemily these .223 cartidges travel in excess of 3500 fps and deliver 1700 ft/lbs on impact. Anyone have experience with this type of .223 ammo? Availability, price etc?
On the npws deer app. it states only firearms that deliver a minimum 1700+ ft/lbs are legal to shoot deer, so in short, with the right ammo, could one obtain the licence with a .223 or is .243 the min. caliber accepted?

Thanks in advance:D

Tackleberrywho

jimmyd87 wrote: »

Seemily these .223 cartidges travel in excess of 3500 fps and deliver 1700 ft/lbs on impact. Anyone have experience with this type of .223 ammo? Availability, price etc?
On the npws deer app. it states only firearms that deliver a minimum 1700+ ft/lbs are legal to shoot deer, so in short, with the right ammo, could one obtain the licence with a .223 or is .243 the min. caliber accepted?

Thanks in advance:D

You are talking about a wildcat round "hand loaded only"
Therefore not available.

NPWS accept .22-250 delivering 1700ft/lbs as stated on the form

It wasn't me!

There is factory ammo, but I can't imagine there's any here, so you'd need to order it in. It makes 1810 ft/lbs with a 55 gr bullet, so yes, it'd be legal. However, explaining how it works and what it actually is to NPWS might be the difficult part. Here is some ammo for it. Can't imagine why you'd go for it, to be honest.

jimmyd87

Dead right, handload only, so therefore, a no-go in this country. tits:mad:

jimmyd87

Had a deposit on a .243 but I just can't afford it as collage fees got in the way so i'm stuck with my .223 and was looking for a solution:D. Hadn't found that factory load wssm either! I'm assuming importing ammo would be a pain in the ####!

Tackleberrywho

News to me that it can be got factory.

Savage Fox rabbit calibre

I'd like one for the craic was told by some of my US mates that it is serious on ground hogs

I was always under the impression that their was no factory stuff, but like the 6XC perhaps demand fuelled supply.

Hornady don't chamber it and I treat them as the US barometer on ammo

It wasn't me!

It's just a fast .22 centrefire. Same as a .22-250 or a .220 swift. Either would do everything it does, which is exactly why it's not setting the world on fire. I'm as big a fan as anyone of doing something different just because it's different, but, well, in this case I'm seeing a lot of very good reasons a .22-250 is a better idea. However, the .243 is obviously a better call for a deer rifle, and will realistically do anything the .223 will do as well in terms of foxing and target shooting, so maybe think about trading in the .223 if you're looking for a deer and foxing rifle? I've a .25-06 and have no problems with using it for foxing if the occasion arises.

It wasn't me!

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Hornady don't chamber it and I treat them as the US barometer on ammo

While Hornady load a lot of cartridges, including some pretty interesting ones, they certainly don't load everything that's available. Midway's cartridge listings are a pretty good resource, but I'd still well believe that there's stuff missing from their list too.

Cass

Couple of drawbacks that come to mind;

• Case size. - Its not a standard case. Its wider than a standard .223, bigger than a .308 and would more resemble the case of a &mm WSM.
• The larger case size means you could need to have your rifle rechambered for it to work, but that may be unlikely.
• You could also require a new bolt with a magnum face. The base of the .223 WSSM is over half an inch (14mm) while the standard .223 is about 9.5mm.
• It would be a barrel burner. Not too bad but would reduce the barrel life of any rifle especially a factory rifle.
• As said the cost of ammo. Reloading would be the only practical method and as its not available you could try and sorce some factory, but whats that gonna cost?

This is all based on speculation, as i've never seen a .223 wssm let alone fired one. So some may apply others may not.

poulo6.5

jimmyd87 wrote: »

Had a deposit on a .243 but I just can't afford it as collage fees got in the way so i'm stuck with my .223 and was looking for a solution:D. Hadn't found that factory load wssm either! I'm assuming importing ammo would be a pain in the ####!

Just so you know. It's a completely different case size and will not fit into the chamber of a standard .223 rifle. Much less fire.

The round you are referring to is a Winchester short magnum the diameter of the bullet is the only thing that is the same as your .223.

Happy hunting.

ormondprop

here you have l-r 243 wssm, 243, 223, 223wssm

Tackleberrywho

ormondprop wrote: »

here you have l-r 243 wssm, 243, 223, 223wssm

I only realized that the OP might think these can go out a .223 Remington.
The answer would be NO.

They are still considered a wildcat by many (Including myself until yesterday)

They are a .223 Magnum
A screamer of a round, but a low BC in 55 grain.
If it was using 75 gain heads it would make more sense, or 90 grain VLD's

The only advantage it would have would be a flatter traj out to 400 or so.
That being the case
Licencing it would be tricky, as no body in Ireland that I am aware of has a Rifle chambered in it I don't know of a licensed one.

If you wanted it for Deer you would be have to declare calibre and grain weight and ft/lbs

NPWS would think it was a .223 and ignore application?
NPWS would contact GS and ask was it different, they would say no, or investigate, and you could be done for a false declaration on your FCA1

Or you could apply for it and be asked what you wanted a .223 Mag for.

What ever way you look at it, it will not solve your problems OP, it will just create more