Can someone clear this JLC problem up?

msg11

I'm on a contract for bank holidays and Sundays..

Now Sundays I get a fair bit of cash for, if the goverment ditch Sundays and it becomes a normal day. But it's in my contract that I have to be paid time and a half.

Basically what I want to know is , is my Sunday pay going to change? From Time and a half down to normal time?

Also if it dosen't change, what's to stop them hiring someone to just work Sundays at the normal time ?

I think this is a wreck-less move by the government, which is going to leave me out of pocket and with an increase coming in PRSI and USC in the budget I am going to be seriously out of pocket and no par with people on welfare which I think is serious not fair.

Why are they hitting the lowest paid in all this mess again and again, yet bankers are still getting the bonuses and very little charges brought in for people on the higher end of the pay scale.

Mrs OBumble

What's fair about you getting 50% more than the folks who do exactly the same job on Saturday or Tuesday?

tenchi-fan

JustMary, I used to work in Dunnes while I was at college and as I didn't get a grant it was nice to get decent wages and a time-and-a-half on Sundays.

But when it comes down to it, I think the grant system was the biggest injustice and it's really just an extension of an unfair social welfare system.

Anyway, that's going off on a tangent.

Op, there's nothing to stop the supermarket from employing new people to work the Sunday.

wmpdd3

In collage I worked 48 Sundays per year. There was an agreement that the full time staff would have Sundays off except for the 6 Sundays leading up to Christmas. This was to ensure some sort of social life for the staff (their contract was 5 over 7).

I was paid time and a 1/2 but I was on a much lower wage than the staff during the week. Pay to Sales was 10% weather it was during the week or on Sunday. If our sales dropped, we would lose 1 man hour.

OP, as it has been said here before, once you have a contract, your terms and condition cannot be changed without you agreeing to it. But your employer can change you to flat rate on Sundays and it is up to you to fight it, get the union to fight it, get a solicitor or walk away from your job.

msg11

JustMary wrote: »

What's fair about you getting 50% more than the folks who do exactly the same job on Saturday or Tuesday?

I don't quite get your issue to be honest, we get 1 out of ever 4 off so they are shared amount staff and on top of that most staff don't want to work them as they rather the day off.

I get paid extra for coming in on a day of rest, when the rest of the nation are off work, my hours are all over the place and I get paid sweet f all as it is, Sundays bump up my pay alot and too be honest with you what's not fair is it been taking away from me.

And another thing , the people that do the exact same job as me on Tuesdays or Fridays are full time earning a decent wage. I'm not if I was I wouldn't have such a problem with this.

The minister seems to think everyone is working Full time in this country.

Mrs OBumble

msg11 wrote: »

... my hours are all over the place and I get paid sweet f all as it is, Sundays bump up my pay alot and too be honest with you what's not fair is it been taking away from me.

And another thing , the people that do the exact same job as me on Tuesdays or Fridays are full time earning a decent wage. ....

Sounds like your problem really is that you're part-time.

It so happens that in your work place, part-timers cover Sundays. It's not the same everywhere though, and you'd be a lot worse off if you worked on, say, Mon/Tues only.

The "day of rest" stuff is rubbish: lots more people than you'd imagine work weekends, and have their days off during the week. Weekdays can be equally restful.

Back in the day, I did my fair share of Sunday shifts in a McJob (was actually maccas itself!), and I made damn sure that got on with the roster manager so that I got those good hours. But even then I felt slightly guilty that I didn't have to work nearly as hard as the lads working on Friday, and was getting a lot more dosh for it.

Jarren

Existing staff would not be affected as they have contractual arrangements with their employers.

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/Irish_Economy/article_1022837_printer.shtml



Unless an employeer will decide to make changes to your contract of employment but there must be agreement between the parties.

mattjack

JustMary wrote: »

What's fair about you getting 50% more than the folks who do exactly the same job on Saturday or Tuesday?

thats a fine answer from a mod....my familys position is that we depend on that Sunday rate to survive....we thought long and hard about her signing a Sunday contract years ago, it meant my wife giving up all her weekends and losing out on spending time with our kids.The comment about the OP having a problem with being part-time,sometimes people choose to work part-time...kids,school etc dictate the hours..and you will probally find that a lot of these so called part-time workers actually often work Saturday,Sunday and up to one or even two extra days during the week.
On a side note I,ve yet to meet anyone who agrees with any wages being cut for working on a Sunday.

msg11

jarecki1976 wrote: »

Existing staff would not be affected as they have contractual arrangements with their employers.

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/Irish_Economy/article_1022837_printer.shtml



Unless an employeer will decide to make changes to your contract of employment but there must be agreement between the parties.

TBH the pre 1995er's are able to work Sundays truth be told they can't afford it. So they hired new staff to work Sundays at a cheaper rate, which is what will happen here.

I don't know how this will create jobs cause I don't think it will at all. So there ditching my Sunday pay , upping my tax and PRSI. The lovely USC charge.

Next there will be a charge for going to work and having a job..

msg11

JustMary wrote: »

Sounds like your problem really is that you're part-time.

It so happens that in your work place, part-timers cover Sundays. It's not the same everywhere though, and you'd be a lot worse off if you worked on, say, Mon/Tues only.

The "day of rest" stuff is rubbish: lots more people than you'd imagine work weekends, and have their days off during the week. Weekdays can be equally restful.

Back in the day, I did my fair share of Sunday shifts in a McJob (was actually maccas itself!), and I made damn sure that got on with the roster manager so that I got those good hours. But even then I felt slightly guilty that I didn't have to work nearly as hard as the lads working on Friday, and was getting a lot more dosh for it.

Well back in the day there were staff, I remember working a Sunday shift back in 2007 , there were 3 lads , 8-4 10-6 and 2-10.

Now there is two lads , 8-4 and 5-10. So I don't see that as fair..

If we were to strike over this there would be lock down.

vikingdub

msg11 wrote: »

I'm on a contract for bank holidays and Sundays..

Now Sundays I get a fair bit of cash for, if the goverment ditch Sundays and it becomes a normal day. But it's in my contract that I have to be paid time and a half.

Basically what I want to know is , is my Sunday pay going to change? From Time and a half down to normal time?

Also if it dosen't change, what's to stop them hiring someone to just work Sundays at the normal time ?

I think this is a wreck-less move by the government, which is going to leave me out of pocket and with an increase coming in PRSI and USC in the budget I am going to be seriously out of pocket and no par with people on welfare which I think is serious not fair.

Why are they hitting the lowest paid in all this mess again and again, yet bankers are still getting the bonuses and very little charges brought in for people on the higher end of the pay scale.

If your contracts states that you will be paid time and half, without any reference to the JLC then it has nothing to do with the JLC rate it is a term of your (individual) contract of employment.

Starburst85

If your contract states you should be paid for time and a half then your employer cannot change it unless they give you a new contract and you sign it!