Brolly

indosilverclub

seems to be generating a lot of comment lately. I personally think he is right about Cork. They are similar to a rugby league team but why Cork would care is beyond me. They are simply playing to their strengths. If another county had that many stone munchers they would play the same way. It can be quite spectacular to watch at times

Temp Barry

indosilverclub wrote: »

seems to be generating a lot of comment lately. I personally think he is right about Cork. They are similar to a rugby league team but why Cork would care is beyond me. They are simply playing to their strengths. If another county had that many stone munchers they would play the same way. It can be quite spectacular to watch at times

All Brolly really said was that he thinks Kerry will beat them when they play in Croker, and he gave the reasons why.

On the Sunday Game he repeated about 5 times that Cork were a super team and he also said that they were excellent against Down.

corny

Isn't there a thread already discussing this?

Temp Barry

corny wrote: »

Isn't there a thread already discussing this?

didnt see it, but wouldnt be surprised!

jpb1974

Personally I enjoy getting different opinions. Irrespective of whether I agree with him or not I certainly found his comments on the Sunday Game entertaining... funny to see how riled Tony Davis was getting too.

Whether you agree or not his article below certainly opens up debate -

http://www.gaeliclife.com/2011/07/14/joe-brolly-on-corks-imminent-demise/

padd b1975

Stone munchers? Is that a new defensive formation?

ShamoBuc

I've nothing to say abouy that............. person.

keane2097

Meh, Brolly is usually closer to the mark that whoever he's talking about on any given day wants to admit.

lukin

Lads he is just an attention-seeker, he was like that as a player (blowing kisses to the crowd after scoring one of his rare goals:rolleyes:)
He's like Dunphy or George Hook, likes the notoriety.
Edit: got this on wikipedia, dunno if it's true or not:
He was also known for his goal celebration of blowing kisses to the crowd, and had his nose broken twice during his career immediately after scoring goals.

tossy

He is on telly to stir it up ala Dunphy/Spillane/Hook,as long as he is doing that he will still get paid so threads like this must make him smile all the way to the bank.

corny

tossy wrote: »

He is on telly to stir it up ala Dunphy/Spillane/Hook,as long as he is doing that he will still get paid so threads like this must make him smile all the way to the bank.

Its astonishing how many people don't realise, just like Hook and Dunphy, this is all a facade. Its the RTE blueprint ffs. Just let it go over your head.

Stinicker

Brolly is not the worst to be fair, although his comments about Cork were very harsh, they are far from a boring team and they are very physical but it was unfair to say they don't have talent Donnacha O'Connor and a few others have genuine talent and deserve their accolades.

Kerry and Cork when they play each other produce some pure magic and Brolly would be better focusing his attention on the sort of boorish behaviour we see out of the Ulster teams, but he couldn't bear that I suppose.

I really can not understand how RTÉ employs McStay, he knows nothing and is so biased I wonder why he doesn't wear a jersey at times. Colm O'Rourke and Tony Davis are by far the two most uncontroversial and are very fair pundits. Spillane is a genius but tends to rub people up the wrong way, especially if your from Cork or Ulster. Paudi O'Sé is another bellwether and accurately predicts every game, just go with the opposite team he picks as he is almost always wrong.

blackbelt

Funnily enough,as a player I disliked watching him but as a pundit I like his off the cuff whacky comments.We all know how himself and Spillane don't see eye to eye on many matters so now it looks like Cork have been targeted and with that Tony Davies happens to be in the firing line.

Thought there was something a bit strange about Brolly Sunday night.He seemed more brash and petulent than usual.

Le King

People get offended by outspoken pundit shocker!

Brolly isn't spot on but he's definitely a better pundit than Davis. At least he says what he thinks. Fair play to him, he's certainly doing his job.

Right now Kerry are looking like the best team in the country. Brolly has said that. He also said Cork a super team. No point in being offended by that.

I would say his opinion was largely correct.

Canty is over-rated, along with Kildare. Yet it's cool here to say Kildare are over-rated but call Canty anything and it's a disaster. Canty is a good player, mind you, just not the machine that he is made out to be and that isn't his fault either. He's inspirational, but not one of the great players. Brolly is correct here.

I don't know how you can fault him for his honesty and willingness to give an opinion. Beating Kerry is a monkey on their backs. People are far too sensitive. If you can't look by your own bias to see that, then you're fooling yourself. He's one of the more insightful pundits on GAA.

itsalltrue

He should have a rethink on some of his phrases. On Sunday he told Tony Davis "not to listen to everthing you read in the paper":D

premierstone

itsalltrue wrote: »

He should have a rethink on some of his phrases. On Sunday he told Tony Davis "not to listen to everthing you read in the paper":D

I dont know, I certainly would'nt be suprised if the bauld Tony has to get someone to read the paper for him

keane2097

Don't really get the Tony Davis hate either, but everyone seems to have a problem with him - anyone enlighten?

Dcully

Cant see why people have an issue with Tony Davis,as for Brolly yes i can.

premierstone

keane2097 wrote: »

Don't really get the Tony Davis hate either, but everyone seems to have a problem with him - anyone enlighten?

I wouldnt say I hate him, he is just sooo dull and offers absolutely nothing to the programme, Brolly while obnoxious and arrogant is more informed or at least is better at gettin he's points across, tbf to Brolly he doesnt just make wild statements he backs them up .

Those comparing Brolly with Dunphy and Hook are doing Brolly a great diservice he is far more knowledgable about football than either of those are about their respective sports.

popebenny16

itsalltrue wrote: »

He should have a rethink on some of his phrases. On Sunday he told Tony Davis "not to listen to everthing you read in the paper":D

he also started by saying that what he had said was taken out of context. by whom i dont know, the gaelic life sub-editor or the readership/media reports on it.

keane2097

popebenny16 wrote: »

he also started by saying that what he had said was taken out of context. by whom i dont know, the gaelic life sub-editor or the readership/media reports on it.

I think he was referring to the excerpts from his article that appeared in the Examiner, rather than the full article that's been linked to here.

If you go to the Examiner site you can read their interpretation of it.

Oasis_Dublin

I couldn't see too much wrong with what Brolly said. Davis certainly took far too much offense to it anyway. Cork have not beaten Kerry in Croke Park this century. It's as simple as that. They didn't have to do it during their All-Ireland year so they will face their truest taste on semi-final day.

teednab-el

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

I couldn't see too much wrong with what Brolly said. Davis certainly took far too much offense to it anyway. Cork have not beaten Kerry in Croke Park this century. It's as simple as that. They didn't have to do it during their All-Ireland year so they will face their truest taste on semi-final day.

The same could almost be said about Dublin, great team in the 1970's and early eighties and won All Irelands but always came short of beating Kerry when they faced them bar 1976 and 77 and thats a while ago.

Oasis_Dublin

teednab-el wrote: »

The same could almost be said about Dublin, great team in the 1970's and early eighties and won All Irelands but always came short of beating Kerry when they faced them bar 1976 and 77 and thats a while ago.

In all fairness, that's entirely irrelevant. Cork is what Brolly talked about in his article. Anyway, you don't need to tell me that this current crop of Dublin footballers are bunch of bottlers!

Do remember that those two victories during the late 70s came against arguably the greatest football team ever, happened in Croke Park and took place in the All-Ireland Series. :cool:

teednab-el

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

In all fairness, that's entirely irrelevant. Cork is what Brolly talked about in his article. Anyway, you don't need to tell me that this current crop of Dublin footballers are bunch of bottlers!

Do remember that those two victories during the late 70s came against arguably the greatest football team ever, happened in Croke Park and took place in the All-Ireland Series. :cool:

Fair enough, but Cork have only played this great Kerry team only 7 times in Croke Park since 2002 (lost 6 drew 1) and we nearly play them nearly every year since then. That Croke Park factor is going to end some time. This Cork team has improved since 2008 and there hasn't been much between the 2 sides in the last three encounters in Croke Park. This is a great Kerry team and era and that is the main reason Cork havent enjoyed success to date, but every great team falls and a day will come when Cork will emerge victorious against Kerry in Croke Park. This Cork team is too good not to beat Kerry at some stage of this decade. It will then be a great day for all the players involved and the history books will be changed once and for all.

Watch this space, its getting nearer,

Oasis_Dublin

teednab-el wrote: »

Fair enough, but Cork have only played this great Kerry team only 7 times in Croke Park since 2002 (lost 6 drew 1) and we nearly play them nearly every year since then. That Croke Park factor is going to end some time. This Cork team has improved since 2008 and there hasn't been much between the 2 sides in the last three encounters in Croke Park. This is a great Kerry team and era and that is the main reason Cork havent enjoyed success to date, but every great team falls and a day will come when Cork will emerge victorious against Kerry in Croke Park. This Cork team is too good not to beat Kerry at some stage of this decade. It will then be a great day for all the players involved and the history books will be changed once and for all.

Watch this space, its getting nearer,

That is all yet to happen though. Hence, what Brolly said is fair. If he said the same of Dublin, I wouldn't be able to deny it. Even if I was as wishful a thinker as you appear to be!:p

keane2097

It's pretty sweet being from Kerry tbf :pac:

gaelic cowboy

Stinicker wrote: »

I really can not understand how RTÉ employs McStay, he knows nothing and is so biased I wonder why he doesn't wear a jersey at times. Colm O'Rourke and Tony Davis are by far the two most uncontroversial and are very fair pundits. Spillane is a genius but tends to rub people up the wrong way, especially if your from Cork or Ulster. Paudi O'Sé is another bellwether and accurately predicts every game, just go with the opposite team he picks as he is almost always wrong.

MacStay biased hardly Ive seen him predict against mayo by times on sunday game etc he is hardly biased

Tony Davis no problem

O'Rourke no Problem

The_Kew_Tour

I dont really have a problem with Brolly as Corkman if he could also say the same about other teams at their level, but he does not..I do agree we need to put Kerry away in a game in Semi or final, but we have play them basically every year too, the only year in my life time we have not played them was 1997.

His Derry team was very lucky to win AI too but you dont hear him say that..If Cork had picked the right team that day they have won..Now thats for another day, but for a team that been in semi final every year since 2005 you think he be slating a lot more teams then Cork..

He has also had go at Kerry few times which was laughable

However I do get chuckle with people in here saying he great and all that but if he was saying something about your own county ye be first with knives in....

I suppose when he doesn't **** on yer own door step it's all fun and games

gaelic cowboy

The Role of the Pundit

blog I found it's not about brolly but interesting view nonetheless.

Oasis_Dublin

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

for a team that been in semi final every year since 2005 you think he be slating a lot more teams then Cork..

One AI though, which is hugely related to what he was writing. He has a point, it cannot be denied.

I'm sure if he was writing about Longford, less of a stink would ensue but then nobody cares about Longford!

premierstone

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I dont really have a problem with Brolly as Corkman if he could also say the same about other teams at their level, but he does not..I do agree we need to put Kerry away in a game in Semi or final, but we have play them basically every year too, the only year in my life time we have not played them was 1997.

His Derry team was very lucky to win AI too but you dont hear him say that..If Cork had picked the right team that day they have won..Now thats for another day, but for a team that been in semi final every year since 2005 you think he be slating a lot more teams then Cork..

He has also had go at Kerry few times which was laughable

However I do get chuckle with people in here saying he great and all that but if he was saying something about your own county ye be first with knives in....

I suppose when he doesn't **** on yer own door step it's all fun and games

Do you actually grasp the concept of what a pundits job is?? You sound like you'd prefer to have Jamie Redknap and Gary Lineker telling you how wonderfull everyone and everything is. take it as a back handed compliment that Brolly wrote this article, he didnt write one on any no hopers.

The_Kew_Tour

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

One AI though, which is hugely related to what he was writing. He has a point, it cannot be denied.

I'm sure if he was writing about Longford, less of a stink would ensue but then nobody cares about Longford!

It's one more AI then lot of teams though in that period...

To call Canty overrated and Cork boring was just bad taste.. Name one team that has played total football to win AI in last 11 seasons? Kerry on their day are fantastic to watch, but no other team has played great football game after game..

Anyway most Cork people I know are happy enough Cork are being slated, will hopefully keep us foscused and if Brolly did come out in morning and said more negative stuff I would not complain..Its worked in past for us.

The_Kew_Tour

premierstone wrote: »

Do you actually grasp the concept of what a pundits job is?? You sound like you'd prefer to have Jamie Redknap and Gary Lineker telling you how wonderfull everyone and everything is. take it as a back handed compliment that Brolly wrote this article, he didnt write one on any no hopers.

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

stop trying to stir **** will ya and put words into my mouth...

I said I dont really have problem with Brolly...Yes few thngs he said were bad taste but I am happy for him to continue to do what he does.

Of all counties ye should know that:D:D

Now if you have nothing constructive to say don't bother replying

keane2097

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

However I do get chuckle with people in here saying he great and all that but if he was saying something about your own county ye be first with knives in....

I suppose when he doesn't **** on yer own door step it's all fun and games

Doesn't that give you a hint though?

I can remember vividly the vitriol being thrown at him when he loled at Kerry for being too soft in the early part of the last decade, everyone said he was nothing but a Northern-biased prick, but he was absolutely spot on.

He usually is.

The_Kew_Tour

keane2097 wrote: »

Doesn't that give you a hint though?

I can remember vividly the vitriol being thrown at him when he loled at Kerry for being too soft in the early part of the last decade, everyone said he was nothing but a Northern-biased prick, but he was absolutely spot on.

He usually is.

Well he said Cork would not win AI last year;)...

You see most Cork people will agree 100% that he is spot on about us when it comes to playing Kerry in Croker...I dont have problem with that one bit..

I know half the time is just stirring the **** to get people going that's part of being pundit and in some ways makes you watch it for they have to say and to see if they will cause controversy.

All I will say if Tony Davis or Spillane were to turn around to him and say Derry were lucky to win their AI do you think Derry people or Brolly be happy to take that???

I doubt it..

premierstone

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

stop trying to stir **** will ya and put words into my mouth...

I said I dont really have problem with Brolly...Yes few thngs he said were bad taste but I am happy for him to continue to do what he does.

Of all counties ye should know that:D:D

Now if you have nothing constructive to say don't bother replying

I am not trying to stir anything, but between this thread and the Cork thread Brolly has been referred to as a gutter journalist, a geek, an average player and someone who won fcuk all, none of which are true or constructive.

Oasis_Dublin

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

It's one more AI then lot of teams though in that period...

To call Canty overrated and Cork boring was just bad taste.. Name one team that has played total football to win AI in last 11 seasons? Kerry on their day are fantastic to watch, but no other team has played great football game after game..

Anyway most Cork people I know are happy enough Cork are being slated, will hopefully keep us foscused and if Brolly did come out in morning and said more negative stuff I would not complain..Its worked in past for us.

That is not his point though. He talked about how Kerry know how to beat Cork in the big matches, and he is correct. Cork people are allowing their bias to overlook this important point.

He's just being controversial like Dunphy.

People getting wound up by his comments = job well done by Brolly. Can never understand why people can't see through this.

People tune in to hear his comments. It's good advertising.

The_Kew_Tour

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

That is not his point though. He talked about how Kerry know how to beat Cork in the big matches, and he is correct. Cork people are allowing their bias to overlook this important point.

But thats not even close to the point which have got Cork people annoyed...

Mountainlad

premierstone wrote: »

I am not trying to stir anything, but between this thread and the Cork thread Brolly has been referred to as a gutter journalist, a geek, an average player and someone who won fcuk all, none of which are true or constructive.

Ah he might be that alrite, though it's hard to prove for or against on that debate. Should have a poll; is Brolly a geek?

Whoever came up with that, it's a really poor insult.

thegatekeeper1

cork are a devestatingly powerful team, however they are programmed robots and not a pleasure to watch. they are not naturally beautiful footballers like tyrone or kerry, just part of the fitness/ power/ attitude that has been allowed to permeate our great game. Kildare and cork are the biggest offenders, even though cork have won an allireland, kildare will win feck all!!! Too much time on the weights lads, why dont yis cycle 20 miles to yer work like certain tyrone lads do? might I add, that cork beat a brutally bad down team by 1 point in the all ireland final last year, what would have happened if they had come up against tyrone? curtains for the 'rebels' p.s. id rather see dublin win than cork, it is the rightful capital and doesnt have any of its citizens slabbering on about peoples republic of cork! as a friend once said if yis like cork so much, fkn stay there!!!!!!!!!!1

ShamoBuc

thegatekeeper1 wrote: »

cork are a devestatingly powerful team, however they are programmed robots and not a pleasure to watch. they are not naturally beautiful footballers like tyrone or kerry, just part of the fitness/ power/ attitude that has been allowed to permeate our great game. Kildare and cork are the biggest offenders, even though cork have won an allireland, kildare will win feck all!!! Too much time on the weights lads, why dont yis cycle 20 miles to yer work like certain tyrone lads do? might I add, that cork beat a brutally bad down team by 1 point in the all ireland final last year, what would have happened if they had come up against tyrone? curtains for the 'rebels' p.s. id rather see dublin win than cork, it is the rightful capital and doesnt have any of its citizens slabbering on about peoples republic of cork! as a friend once said if yis like cork so much, fkn stay there!!!!!!!!!!1

Is that the same brutally bad Down team that beat the naturally beautiful footballers from Kerry?:rolleyes:


I do like Cork and I do stay there - I just pop out every now and again - your friend was right;)

Le King

rarnes1 wrote: »

He's just being controversial like Dunphy.

People getting wound up by his comments = job well done by Brolly. Can never understand why people can't see through this.

People tune in to hear his comments. It's good advertising.

Wouldn't agree. A lot of Dunphy's punditry is rubbish talk purely to get a rise. Brolly is mostly correct. Dunphy is not.

StupidLikeAFox

One thing I dont like about Brolly and Spillane is that they are liable to go off on a tangent at any given moment, about refs or how the organisation is run or the state of the current championship. It may be relevant debate but when your at half-time in a match between two teams and they start waffling on about something, when you'd rather hear them discuss the match at hand, it can be a bit annoying.

To some people Tony Davis might come across as dull, but at least he gives a fair analysis and opinion. Brolly tries to be philosophical and poetic about things too much.

keane2097

rarnes1 wrote: »

He's just being controversial like Dunphy.

People getting wound up by his comments = job well done by Brolly. Can never understand why people can't see through this.

People tune in to hear his comments. It's good advertising.

This is a really lazy comparison imo.

I don't even think it's all that true about Spillane (who is immeasurably more analogous to Dunphy than Brolly), who I think just lets his pro-Kerry feelings permeate into everything else he talks about to a ridic extent.

With Dunphy there are two issues. Firstly, he patently tries to pass himself off as an expert on things he hasn't got a clue about ("our Spanish soccer expert" being particularly lolworthy), and secondly even on issues he does know something about he regularly makes statements that he patently doesn't actually believe to be true.

Brolly, on the other hand, is very well informed about the game at all levels and in all counties (he has displayed impressive knowledge of the club scene in Kerry on any number of occasions for example), and - at least IMO - actually believes the things he says, whether they're controversial or not.

tl;dr: You might think Brolly's shit, but he's not a troll.

teednab-el

At the end of the day Brolly is a pity and his football career was nothing to be admired. Full stop.

keane2097

teednab-el wrote: »

At the end of the day Brolly is a pity and his football career was nothing to be admired. Full stop.

You could throw "fact" in there somewhere for added effect as well.

Brain Stroking

teednab-el wrote: »

At the end of the day Brolly is a pity and his football career was nothing to be admired. Full stop.

Ridiculous comment.

And the comment complaining about Dunphy holding himself out to be a Spanish football expert - tongue in cheek anyone? Obviously it is Bill winding him up.

teednab-el

Brain Stroking wrote: »

teednab-el wrote: »

At the end of the day Brolly is a pity and his football career was nothing to be admired. Full stop.

Ridiculous comment.

And the comment complaining about Dunphy holding himself out to be a Spanish football expert - tongue in cheek anyone? Obviously it is Bill winding him up.

No its not, all there in truth.

gebbel

teednab-el wrote: »

At the end of the day Brolly is a pity and his football career was nothing to be admired. Full stop.

Rubbish. He won an All-Ireland and was an all-star twice. I remember him being a very skilful forward back then and admired him a lot. I don't always agree with him as a pundit, but always find him articulate and intelligent.