Vets in Dublin that will carry out Tail docking/operation(12 week pup)

lb1981

Can any body recommend a vet in dublin that will carry out a tail docking on a 12 week old pup.

Kieron854

your going to up against it most dublin vets wont dock at all but at 12 weeks it an amputation not docking so unless there is a reason ie malformed tail cronic infection ect your not going to get much joy

fodda

Edited.....Yep Dusty is correct.

Dusty87

fodda wrote: »

Why do you want to do this to your dog?

we've done this before. There is a few threads on the injurys that can happen to the likes of springers hunting cover. Have a search.

lb1981

I normally do my own pups when they are a few days old, but the girlfriend bought me a 12 week old pup today , excellent pedigree but the tail is not docked and its dew claws need to be done so i would like to get it done soon. Most of the land i shoot has heavy cover and fences and i dont want it to get injured.I have seen some bad ones with some of the lads dogs that havent been docked

lb1981

i wouldnt mind travelling a bit for the right vet.

Tackleberrywho

lb1981 wrote: »

I normally do my own pups when they are a few days old, but the girlfriend bought me a 12 week old pup today , excellent pedigree but the tail is not docked and its dew claws need to be done so i would like to get it done soon. Most of the land i shoot has heavy cover and fences and i dont want it to get injured.I have seen some bad ones with some of the lads dogs that havent been docked

Would you consider going down the country? Some vets down the country are also into hunting, at least I know a couple that are

lb1981

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Would you consider going down the country? Some vets down the country are also into hunting, at least I know a couple that are

I would Tack i live in Dublin but i work in Longford so i am up and down every day, you know yourself i just want the job done right, she thought she was doing me a great favour buying the pup, if i was buying it i prob wouldnt buy it if the tail wasnt done and the dew claws clipped.Though i have to say the pedigree is excellent and the price was fairly good

Dusty87

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Would you consider going down the country? Some vets down the country are also into hunting, at least I know a couple that are

is it right on the dog though? Iv an 11wk old springer here, undocked. It should be done in the first few days.

lb1981

Dusty87 wrote: »

is it right on the dog though? Iv an 11wk old springer here, undocked. It should be done in the first few days.

it is just an operation that will eliminate a lot of hassle in the long run

Tackleberrywho

Dusty87 wrote: »

is it right on the dog though? Iv an 11wk old springer here, undocked. It should be done in the first few days.

I'm not a vet, if the Vet says ok I'd go with him.
And no Vet would do anything if it was not ok.

At least the vet would do it under theatre conditions.
Could be expensive though

I'm not big on docking tails, dew claws etc. but if it needs to be done for teh over all welfare of teh dog then so be it.

Cows get the raw deal, when it comes to de-horning :eek:

The Big Fella

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Cows get the raw deal, when it comes to de-horning :eek:

How do you make the out? Any good farmer will give the calf a local Anaesthetic Injection.;)

Tackleberrywho

The Big Fella wrote: »

How do you make the out? Any good farmer will give the calf a local Anaesthetic Injection.;)

Oh yeah, I forgot about that :rolleyes:

Spunk84

lb1981 wrote: »

Can any body recommend a vet in dublin that will carry out a tail docking on a 12 week old pup.

try calling "farming vets" i.e country ones around kildare, meath and so on as there more inclined to do it, than the city vets:D i wouldnt name names of any vets on boards thou;) to many prying eyes on here:) Just explain to them that your springer tail is not docked and you have seen the damage of an undocked tail and you would like it done.

You might even get a contact number of a vet that will. Be prepared for a couple hundred euro bill thou;) i was quoted from 270-415 euro for my fello:mad:

Dusty87

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I'm not a vet, if the Vet says ok I'd go with him.
And no Vet would do anything if it was not ok.

At least the vet would do it under theatre conditions.
Could be expensive though

I'm not big on docking tails, dew claws etc. but if it needs to be done for teh over all welfare of teh dog then so be it.

Cows get the raw deal, when it comes to de-horning :eek:

from an email i got last year. Vets would consider it unethical at that age, same as stapling a german shepards ears to make them stand upright. Obviously you will get some vets who wil do it. Im as of yet undecided on getting a tail docked at that age, until i know all the facts. Like you, i cant speak from personal experience, so i wont. I would much prefer my dog to be docked, but if 9 out of ten vets wont do it at that age, and 1 will, well id be thinking long and hard about it.

Tackleberrywho

I feel bad thinking of giving a Dog the snip!:eek:

I left the tail on my pointer and dropper.

I'd be only concerned that a VET would always do it, not some header with a hatchet!

Dusty87

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I feel bad thinking of giving a Dog the snip!:eek:

I left the tail on my pointer and dropper.

I'd be only concerned that a VET would always do it, not some header with a hatchet!

yea, i know what you mean, kinda. But just cos one vet is willing to do it dosn make it ok. Same as a certain ex doctor beside the kilbeggan bridge doing stuff dosn make it ok. If it is no problem for the dog then, im all for it. But as of yet i am undecided. As you said, you had a pointer, so you know they will not burst into cover like a spaniel, so its different.

Tackleberrywho

I have a surrogate family for my Springer.
I had her out in the field yesterday. I'd be more concerned over her ears getting caught over her tail

By dropper tore his ears to shreds bulling through blackthorn

lb1981

Spunk84 wrote: »

try calling "farming vets" i.e country ones around kildare, meath and so on as there more inclined to do it, than the city vets:D i wouldnt name names of any vets on boards thou;) to many prying eyes on here:) Just explain to them that your springer tail is not docked and you have seen the damage of an undocked tail and you would like it done.

You might even get a contact number of a vet that will. Be prepared for a couple hundred euro bill thou;) i was quoted from 270-415 euro for my fello:mad:

I was kinda hoping around 200 for the tail and dew claw, felt like saying that to her when she came home with him, nearly buy another pup for the price to get him sorted. Cant get lippy about it or there will be no dinner for the week

bazza888

i was walking my jackrussel and throwing a ball into the river for him ,he jumped in and caught the dew claw on the edge of the wall half ripping it off,iv never seen the dog in such a state,brought him to the vet she removed it i had to hold him down with another vet he was in such pain.so if i could get them removed on a puppy i would

lb1981

bazza888 wrote: »

i was walking my jackrussel and throwing a ball into the river for him ,he jumped in and caught the dew claw on the edge of the wall half ripping it off,iv never seen the dog in such a state,brought him to the vet she removed it i had to hold him down with another vet he was in such pain.so if i could get them removed on a puppy i would

I have seen many a springer with nasty deep cuts at the end of the tail and i can tell you straight up that this is more painfull for a dog than it is just getting the dog docked and is more prone to infection from **** and piss so you have to be carefull .The cuts can keep a dog out of a field for weeks.One of the lads springers done its dew claw jumping sheep wire, he had to leave to gun in a ditch and carry the poor dog for 30 mins back to the car.
None of us want to see our dogs injured or in pain so i feel getting these few things done while it is a pup would be the right thing to do.I know some lads dont agree with it and that is fine you have a right to your opinion.There is a lot of things i dont agree with in our sport and other lads do(driven shoots i think its slaughter and the bird is not given a fair hunt) some days i would go out and not shoot a thing but would come home in good humour because the dog worked well that day.

doyle61

Your problem is actually the vet council as they've directed vets not to dock tails anymore. Due claws they'll still do for pups, but at 12 weeks I don't know if they'll still do it. My vet still docked the tails for me (as a big favour) because he knows I breed my dogs as hunting dogs and he's a hunting man himself so he knows the reason for docking, but he said not to say where I got them done. He was telling me how ridiculous the whole thing is, as they'll still amputate if/when the tail gets broken yet can't/won't dock at a few days old when it causes no pain to the pup. To me (and him) it's actually cruelty on a high scale by the vet council not allowing docking for working dogs but sure what can you do at this stage????

lb1981

doyle61 wrote: »

Your problem is actually the vet council as they've directed vets not to dock tails anymore. Due claws they'll still do for pups, but at 12 weeks I don't know if they'll still do it. My vet still docked the tails for me (as a big favour) because he knows I breed my dogs as hunting dogs and he's a hunting man himself so he knows the reason for docking, but he said not to say where I got them done. He was telling me how ridiculous the whole thing is, as they'll still amputate if/when the tail gets broken yet can't/won't dock at a few days old when it causes no pain to the pup. To me (and him) it's actually cruelty on a high scale by the vet council not allowing docking for working dogs but sure what can you do at this stage????

it is a joke really, it is not a cosmetic thing for show ,it is a job to protect the dog from nasty injuries.Fair play to your vet he showed common sense.As i said earlier when im buying a dog i will only buy one docked and declawed but my hands were tied with this one so i would just like to get it done while still young.

FOXHUNTER1

What about trying it yourself http://www.premier1supplies.com/detail.php?prod_id=70&cat_id=13

fodda

FOXHUNTER1 wrote: »

What about trying it yourself http://www.premier1supplies.com/detail.php?prod_id=70&cat_id=13

If the dog is too old to have this procedure done without inflicting needless suffering to the animal. This could be the reason why it is banned in some countries?

Wether it be tail, ear or claw docking, it is just butchering an animal yourself to fit "your" purpose, and if the ground is so rough the dog gets injured if he isnt chopped about before hand, then you should go and get the bird yourself.

Tackleberrywho

FOXHUNTER1 wrote: »

What about trying it yourself http://www.premier1supplies.com/detail.php?prod_id=70&cat_id=13

That's for Lambs, not for dogs and it does state up to 7 weeks, not 12!

Spunk84

I wouldn't want to be holding the dog if you DIY chopping of the tail maybe just leave the dog until it gets older, may not even bleed? My dog does have the long tail and did bleed but now I wrap it in tape so it isn't as bad.

lb1981

fodda wrote: »

If the dog is too old to have this procedure done without inflicting needless suffering to the animal. This could be the reason why it is banned in some countries?

Wether it be tail, ear or claw docking, it is just butchering an animal to fit "your" purpose, and if the ground is so rough the dog gets injured if he isnt chopped about before hand, then you should go and get the bird yourself.

I deleted my first response because i would prob get a lifetime ban for posting it.
Dont you ****ing dare judge me just because i want to get a minor op carried out on a dog to prevent injury happening while out shooting.
You dont seem to have a clue anyway ,best thing you can do is go troll around a gardening thread,though you might get the hump with some one in there for pruning roses as is just butchering the plant.
By the way my dogs are better looked after ,fed and exercised than most peoples kids.

lb1981

Spunk84 wrote: »

I wouldn't want to be holding the dog if you DIY chopping of the tail maybe just leave the dog until it gets older, may not even bleed? My dog does have the long tail and did bleed but now I wrap it in tape so it isn't as bad.

I have just seen too many bad gashes on the tails of some of the lads dogs so you know yourself i would rather prevent it now than see it causing grief in the long run ,if i cant get it done i cant get it done but i will have the get them dews claws off for sure

lb1981

here he is with my cocker

fodda

lb1981 wrote: »

I deleted my first response because i would prob get a lifetime ban for posting it.
Dont you ****ing dare judge me just because i want to get a minor op carried out on a dog to prevent injury happening while out shooting.

Oh dear:eek::) I never did....judge you that is.

You dont seem to have a clue anyway ,

Yes i do.

best thing you can do is go troll around a gardening thread,though you might get the hump with some one in there for pruning roses as is just butchering the plant.

My appollogise i didnt realise you now owned this forum.

By the way my dogs are better looked after ,fed and exercised than most peoples kids.

Glad to hear it.

Dusty87

fodda wrote: »

If the dog is too old to have this procedure done without inflicting needless suffering to the animal. This could be the reason why it is banned in some countries?

Wether it be tail, ear or claw docking, it is just butchering an animal to fit "your" purpose, and if the ground is so rough the dog gets injured if he isnt chopped about before hand, then you should go and get the bird yourself.

about this banned in other countries fodda, i think you wil find it is banned, so your right. But you would also find that it is not banned if its for a working dog. Surely you would know that considering thats the case in the UK??

Dusty87

fodda wrote: »

Yes i do.

then why did you ask in the first place. God forbid it would be to stir something :eek:

fodda

Dusty87 wrote: »

then why did you ask in the first place. God forbid it would be to stir something :eek:

My post was self explanetry Dusty.....or it would have been more so if i hadnt missed a word out.:o

Spunk84

lb1981 wrote: »

I have just seen too many bad gashes on the tails of some of the lads dogs so you know yourself i would rather prevent it now than see it causing grief in the long run ,if i cant get it done i cant get it done but i will have the get them dews claws off for sure

yea i know how you feel, as i said mine isnt done and it looks like someone was murdered everytime he went out:eek: but i wrap him now, which for now seems to be doing the job:o LB your right, it needs to be down and dont be listening to gardeners who think they know better. dont feed the trolls LOL;)call around and see what the pricing is

Lovely pup BTW

landkeeper

shame that his dew claws wern't done as they can leave a nasty mess if they catch on stuff
fodda do you just post those sort of comments just to stir up trouble, if you think like that you obviously have little or no experience with working dogs of any sort

fodda

I never stirred up trouble my post was to DIY animal operations.

deeksofdoom

To get back to the OPs original question; I think its a bit late now to be docking the poor pups tail. Most vets wont even dock young puppies less than 5 days old, not to mind 12 week old pups.

You could tape the dogs tails up when out hunting I've had to do this with my ESS bitch, but it never stayed on. She has only got the tip taken off her tail maybe 1/3, its still to long and bursts open regularly during the season.

I docked my last litter of pups just over half way myself. The tails just go above the hock on their hind legs. I hate nubs of tails on spaniels.

The only way a vet will amputate the tail is if its constantly getting damaged while your out. Although you can still try and ring about to see iomeone will do it for you.

Its all going to depend on how hard you are going to be hunting the dog.

landkeeper

well to me it reads as if you are suggesting folk go retrieve thier own shot game in case the dog damages it's self and written in a smart arsed tone and judging by other responses im not the only one
and just for the record all that the op was talking about were tail and dew claws both which have been removed from working spaniel breeds since the breed evolved ,i'm sure our forefathers would have bred for shorter tails over the years if they had realised that goody twoshoes would have jumped in saying it was wrong . having seen the mess left by ripped dew claws and flittered tails no-one would wish it on any dog

lb1981

deeksofdoom wrote: »

To get back to the OPs original question; I think its a bit late now to be docking the poor pups tail. Most vets wont even dock young puppies less than 5 days old, not to mind 12 week old pups.

You could tape the dogs tails up when out hunting I've had to do this with my ESS bitch, but it never stayed on. She has only got the tip taken off her tail maybe 1/3, its still to long and bursts open regularly during the season.

I docked my last litter of pups just over half way myself. The tails just go above the hock on their hind legs. I hate nubs of tails on spaniels.

The only way a vet will amputate the tail is if its constantly getting damaged while your out. Although you can still try and ring about to see iomeone will do it for you.

Its all going to depend on how hard you are going to be hunting the dog.

ah i wouldnt be a hard bastard on a dog but you know with some springers they will bust any cover to retreve or flush a bird,i am just trying to prevent the inevatable

deeksofdoom

lb1981 wrote: »

ah i wouldnt be a hard bastard on a dog but you know with some springers they will bust any cover to retreve or flush a bird,i am just trying to prevent the inevatable

No I'm not saying your hard. But your right there's no holding some dogs back they'll practicably kill themselves when they're out. Your right to try and do something with the dogs tail but I just don't think a vet will do it for you until the dog has actually injured itself.

Its a pity the breeder didn't have the common sense or interest in the dogs to do all that stuff themselves and not be letting it all to you now.

lb1981

deeksofdoom wrote: »

No I'm not saying your hard. But your right there's no holding some dogs back they'll practicably kill themselves when they're out. Your right to try and do something with the dogs tail but I just don't think a vet will do it for you until the dog has actually injured itself.

Its a pity the breeder didn't have the common sense or interest in the dogs to do all that stuff themselves and not be letting it all to you now.

If i had of bought the dog myself then this wouldnt be an issue now but i just want to try get it sorted because he is a grand little fella

blackstairsboy

Vet asked me yesterday when giving the springer pup her shots who docked the tail. Told him it was done as a pup by the breeder. He said it was now illegal and should not be done except for amputation due to injury. I told him then that any litters I breed will have bizarrely all had the same accident where each pup caught their tail in the door which is why all there tails look like they were docked but they actually were not. Honest I swear:rolleyes::D

Spunk84

lb1981 wrote: »

I have just seen too many bad gashes on the tails of some of the lads dogs so you know yourself i would rather prevent it now than see it causing grief in the long run ,if i cant get it done i cant get it done but i will have the get them dews claws off for sure

is it illegal now Vets are con men/women in white jackets, same as that science hill dog food scam:mad:

blackstairsboy

I did not think and still do not think it is illegal. I think it is the governing body of vets making up rules. Surely if legislation was brought in that curtailed the docking of working dogs tails the likes of the NARGC would of had us up in arms over it.

deeksofdoom

blackstairsboy wrote: »

I did not think and still do not think it is illegal. I think it is the governing body of vets making up rules. Surely if legislation was brought in that curtailed the docking of working dogs tails the likes of the NARGC would of had us up in arms over it.

Check this link out;
http://www.ispca.ie/Tail%20Docking%20in%20Dogs%20and%20other%20Acts%20of%20Mutilation%20in%20Animals%20%20-%2028%202%2008.pdf

I'm not sure if it is actually barned at the moment its definitely banned across the Irish sea, you can't enter a dog in a field trial with a tail that has been docked since they made it illegal in the UK. However even though its now illegal here (I think) the kennel Club are turning a blind eye to it.

Spunk84

so anyone in Ireland can legally dock a tail up til a month;)

deeksofdoom

Spunk84 wrote: »

so anyone in Ireland can legally dock a tail up til a month;)

Yeah my two year old could perform the operation!:eek:

lb1981

deeksofdoom wrote: »

Yeah my two year old could perform the operation!:eek:

I have docked my own litters at 3 days old, it fairly simple and painless for the pup.To be honest i used to buy the shots in the chemist and do them myself aswell but now the chemist wont sell it to you.****ing vets have it sown up between shots and micro chipping you would be out a few quid on a big litter.

doyle61

It's still allowed to dock tails and remove due claws in ireland BUT vets won't do it anymore which is ridiculous far as I'm concerned because it just promotes back yard jobs (I always got vets to dock my pups and believe it's best practice). The ikc and vet council should have got together and agreed that ALL regestered pups with docked tails should have vet cert aswell.............this would help stop back yard botch jobs........but that's my opinion and the thread isn't about that. In Scotland docking is banned altogether but in England its not banned for working dogs but dogs with docked tails can't be shown in KC shows

doyle61

lb1981 wrote: »

deeksofdoom wrote: »

Yeah my two year old could perform the operation!:eek:

I have docked my own litters at 3 days old, it fairly simple and painless for the pup.To be honest i used to buy the shots in the chemist and do them myself aswell but now the chemist wont sell it to you.****ing vets have it sown up between shots and micro chipping you would be out a few quid on a big litter.

But sure exspences are just passed onto the customer anyway. It's a big outlay but in the end it won't cost you anything but ye I agree about the vets sowing up everything ie inoculations