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The Seven Deadly Sins : The hidden tools of Satan and his Demons.

  • 10-07-2011 10:43am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 401 ✭✭


    The Seven Deadly Sins and the Antidote

    We don't hear much about the Seven Deadly Sins these days.

    Pride, Covetousness, Lust, Anger, Gluttony, Envy, Sloth

    The Devil's grip is such that we are more interested in 'celebrity culture' and current fashion fads, and the Seven Deadly Sins are now peddled everywhere in modern culture as good. Genuine God given talent and hard work is now seen as secondary to "celebrity."

    Dan_Lydersen-The_Seven_Deadly_Sins_Main.jpg


    PRIDE - The first sin committed. It was the sin of Lucifer. It was also the root of the Original Sin committed by Adam and Eve. Pride is the greatest of sins because it is the summit of self-love and is directly opposed to submission to God. It is, therefore, the sin most hated by God. – Pride is an unrestrained and improper appreciation of our own worth. This is listed first because it is widely considered the most serious of the seven sins; pride often leads to the committing of other capital sins. Pride is manifest in vanity and narcissism about one’s appearance, intelligence, status, etc. Dante described pride as “love of self perverted to hatred and contempt for one's neighbour.”

    GREED – Greed, which is also known as avarice or covetousness, is the immoderate desire for earthly goods, as well as situations such as power. It is a sin of excess. The object a person is greedy about need not be evil, but the issue lies in the way one regards the object, placing inappropriate value on it. Greed can further inspire such sinful actions as hoarding of materials or objects, theft and robbery, trickery, and manipulation.

    GLUTTONY – Gluttony, which comes from the Latin gluttirei – to gulp down or swallow, refers to the sin of over-indulgence and over-consumption of food and drink.

    LUST – The sin of lust refers to impure desire of a sexual nature. Sexuality is a gift from God, and not inherently impure in itself. However, lust refers to the impure thoughts and actions that misuse that gift, deviating from God’s law and intentions for us. Indulging in the sin of lust can include (but is not limited to) fornication, adultery, bestiality, rape, and incest and can lead to such things as sexual addiction.

    SLOTH – Sloth is often described simply as the sin of laziness. However, while this is part of the manifestation of sloth, the central problem with sloth as a capital sin is spiritual laziness. The sin of sloth means being lazy and lax about living the Faith and practicing virtue.

    ENVY - Resenting another person’s good fortune or joy. Material envy is when you resent others who have more money, talent, strength, beauty, friends, and so on, than you do. Spiritual envy is resenting others who progress in holiness, preferring that they stay at or below your level instead of being joyful and happy that they’re doing what they’re supposed to be doing. Spiritual envy is far worse and more evil than material envy.

    ANGER - The sudden outburst of emotion — namely hostility — and thoughts about the desire for revenge. You have no control over what angers you, but you do have control over what you do after you become angry. Even if someone does you wrong — robs you, for example — to avoid the sin of anger, you don’t go after the wrongdoer yourself, you desire for the authority to catch the wrongdoer and for the law to administer a fair punishment.


    Those who desire Peace of mind and Virtue should fear not though, as the Antidotes are at hand ;

    Seven Heavenly Virtues

    Humility – Humility is the virtue that counters pride. As pride leads to other sin, true humility clears a path for holiness. Pride is a sin based on undue and inappropriate appreciation of one’s self worth. Conversely, the virtue of humility is about modest behaviour, selflessness and the giving of respect.

    Generosity – Generosity is the virtue that is counter to greed – the sin of immoderate desire for earthly things. The virtue of Generosity is focused not merely on the appropriate concern regarding one’s earthly things, but furthermore on generosity and a willingness to give, freely and without request for commendation.

    Chastity – Chastity is the counter-virtue to the sin of lust. Chastity embraces moral purity, in both thought and action, and treats God’s gift of sexuality with due reverence and respect.

    Patience – Meekness, or patience, is the virtue that counters the sin of unjust anger, also called wrath or rage. Where the sin of wrath is about quick temper and unnecessary vengeance, the virtue of meekness focuses on patiently seeking appropriate resolution to conflicts, and on the ability to forgive and show mercy.

    Temperance – The virtue of temperance or abstinence counters the sin of gluttony. To be gluttonous is to over-indulge. On the opposite hand, the virtue of temperance is centred on self-control and moderation.

    Kindness – Kindness, or brotherly love or love for one’s neighbour, is the virtue which counters the sin of envy. Envy, in contradiction to God’s law of love, is manifest in a person’s sorrow and distress over the good fortune of another person. Conversely, kindness and brotherly love is manifest in the unprejudiced, compassionate and charitable concern for others.

    Diligence – Diligence, or persistence, is the virtue which acts as a counter to the sin of sloth. Sloth, as a capital sin, refers to laziness in matters of Faith. Diligence in matters of the spiritual combat laziness and this virtue is manifest in appropriately zealous attitudes toward living and sharing the Faith.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭gimmebroadband


    III. THE GIFTS AND FRUITS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT


    CCC.


    1830 The moral life of Christians is sustained by the gifts of the Holy Spirit. These are permanent dispositions which make man docile in following the promptings of the Holy Spirit.



    1831 The seven gifts of the Holy Spirit are wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord. They belong in their fullness to Christ, Son of David.109 They complete and perfect the virtues of those who receive them. They make the faithful docile in readily obeying divine inspirations.

    Let your good spirit lead me on a level path.110 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God . . . If children, then heirs, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ.111
    1832 The fruits of the Spirit are perfections that the Holy Spirit forms in us as the first fruits of eternal glory. The tradition of the Church lists twelve of them: "charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, chastity."112


    IN BRIEF
    1833 Virtue is a habitual and firm disposition to do good.



    1834 The human virtues are stable dispositions of the intellect and the will that govern our acts, order our passions, and guide our conduct in accordance with reason and faith. They can be grouped around the four cardinal virtues: prudence, justice, fortitude, and temperance.



    1835 Prudence disposes the practical reason to discern, in every circumstance, our true good and to choose the right means for achieving it.
    1836 Justice consists in the firm and constant will to give God and neighbor their due.



    1837 Fortitude ensures firmness in difficulties and constancy in the pursuit of the good.



    1838 Temperance moderates the attraction of the pleasures of the senses and provides balance in the use of created goods.



    1839 The moral virtues grow through education, deliberate acts, and perseverance in struggle. Divine grace purifies and elevates them.



    1840 The theological virtues dispose Christians to live in a relationship with the Holy Trinity. They have God for their origin, their motive, and their object - God known by faith, God hoped in and loved for his own sake.



    1841 There are three theological virtues: faith, hope, and charity. They inform all the moral virtues and give life to them.



    1842 By faith, we believe in God and believe all that he has revealed to us and that Holy Church proposes for our belief.



    1843 By hope we desire, and with steadfast trust await from God, eternal life and the graces to merit it.



    1844 By charity, we love God above all things and our neighbor as ourselves for love of God. Charity, the form of all the virtues, "binds everything together in perfect harmony" (Col 3:14).



    1845 The seven gifts of the Holy Spirit bestowed upon Christians are wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord.



    http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a7.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    The Seven Deadly Sins and the Antidote

    We don't hear much about the Seven Deadly Sins these days.

    Pride, Covetousness, Lust, Anger, Gluttony, Envy, Sloth

    The Devil's grip is such that we are more interested in 'celebrity culture' and current fashion fads, and the Seven Deadly Sins are now peddled everywhere in modern culture as good. Genuine God given talent and hard work is now seen as secondary to "celebrity."

    Dan_Lydersen-The_Seven_Deadly_Sins_Main.jpg


    PRIDE - The first sin committed. It was the sin of Lucifer. It was also the root of the Original Sin committed by Adam and Eve. Pride is the greatest of sins because it is the summit of self-love and is directly opposed to submission to God. It is, therefore, the sin most hated by God. – Pride is an unrestrained and improper appreciation of our own worth. This is listed first because it is widely considered the most serious of the seven sins; pride often leads to the committing of other capital sins. Pride is manifest in vanity and narcissism about one’s appearance, intelligence, status, etc. Dante described pride as “love of self perverted to hatred and contempt for one's neighbour.”

    GREED – Greed, which is also known as avarice or covetousness, is the immoderate desire for earthly goods, as well as situations such as power. It is a sin of excess. The object a person is greedy about need not be evil, but the issue lies in the way one regards the object, placing inappropriate value on it. Greed can further inspire such sinful actions as hoarding of materials or objects, theft and robbery, trickery, and manipulation.

    GLUTTONY – Gluttony, which comes from the Latin gluttirei – to gulp down or swallow, refers to the sin of over-indulgence and over-consumption of food and drink.

    LUST – The sin of lust refers to impure desire of a sexual nature. Sexuality is a gift from God, and not inherently impure in itself. However, lust refers to the impure thoughts and actions that misuse that gift, deviating from God’s law and intentions for us. Indulging in the sin of lust can include (but is not limited to) fornication, adultery, bestiality, rape, and incest and can lead to such things as sexual addiction.

    SLOTH – Sloth is often described simply as the sin of laziness. However, while this is part of the manifestation of sloth, the central problem with sloth as a capital sin is spiritual laziness. The sin of sloth means being lazy and lax about living the Faith and practicing virtue.

    ENVY - Resenting another person’s good fortune or joy. Material envy is when you resent others who have more money, talent, strength, beauty, friends, and so on, than you do. Spiritual envy is resenting others who progress in holiness, preferring that they stay at or below your level instead of being joyful and happy that they’re doing what they’re supposed to be doing. Spiritual envy is far worse and more evil than material envy.

    ANGER - The sudden outburst of emotion — namely hostility — and thoughts about the desire for revenge. You have no control over what angers you, but you do have control over what you do after you become angry. Even if someone does you wrong — robs you, for example — to avoid the sin of anger, you don’t go after the wrongdoer yourself, you desire for the authority to catch the wrongdoer and for the law to administer a fair punishment.


    Those who desire Peace of mind and Virtue should fear not though, as the Antidotes are at hand ;

    Seven Heavenly Virtues

    Humility – Humility is the virtue that counters pride. As pride leads to other sin, true humility clears a path for holiness. Pride is a sin based on undue and inappropriate appreciation of one’s self worth. Conversely, the virtue of humility is about modest behaviour, selflessness and the giving of respect.

    Generosity – Generosity is the virtue that is counter to greed – the sin of immoderate desire for earthly things. The virtue of Generosity is focused not merely on the appropriate concern regarding one’s earthly things, but furthermore on generosity and a willingness to give, freely and without request for commendation.

    Chastity – Chastity is the counter-virtue to the sin of lust. Chastity embraces moral purity, in both thought and action, and treats God’s gift of sexuality with due reverence and respect.

    Patience – Meekness, or patience, is the virtue that counters the sin of unjust anger, also called wrath or rage. Where the sin of wrath is about quick temper and unnecessary vengeance, the virtue of meekness focuses on patiently seeking appropriate resolution to conflicts, and on the ability to forgive and show mercy.

    Temperance – The virtue of temperance or abstinence counters the sin of gluttony. To be gluttonous is to over-indulge. On the opposite hand, the virtue of temperance is centred on self-control and moderation.

    Kindness – Kindness, or brotherly love or love for one’s neighbour, is the virtue which counters the sin of envy. Envy, in contradiction to God’s law of love, is manifest in a person’s sorrow and distress over the good fortune of another person. Conversely, kindness and brotherly love is manifest in the unprejudiced, compassionate and charitable concern for others.

    Diligence – Diligence, or persistence, is the virtue which acts as a counter to the sin of sloth. Sloth, as a capital sin, refers to laziness in matters of Faith. Diligence in matters of the spiritual combat laziness and this virtue is manifest in appropriately zealous attitudes toward living and sharing the Faith.



    How does this work? If I am engaging in the sin of pride (say) then how do I access an antidote I clearly have no desire for (pride denying that I've a problem needing an antidote).

    Similarly, if I'm being slothful and have no appetite for matters pertaining to faith then it's hardly useful to point me to an antidote I'll not have the interest or energy to take up.

    The same can be said of all these antidotes: the sin in question renders the antidote unobtainable. How can something be an antidote if you can't access it.

    The advice "Lacking in energy? The antidote is to be filled with energy!" is missing a vital componant somewhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭gimmebroadband


    How does this work? If I am engaging in the sin of pride (say) then how do I access an antidote I clearly have no desire for (pride denying that I've a problem needing an antidote).

    Similarly, if I'm being slothful and have no appetite for matters pertaining to faith then it's hardly useful to point me to an antidote I'll not have the interest or energy to take up.

    The same can be said of all these antidotes: the sin in question renders the antidote unobtainable. How can something be an antidote if you can't access it.

    The advice "Lacking in energy? The antidote is to be filled with energy!" is missing a vital componant somewhere.


    In a nutshell! It's love of God over love of self!
    Love of others over love of self!

    You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength and with all your mind, and love your neighbour as yourself."

    Luke 10:27


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 401 ✭✭Bob Cratchet


    How does this work? If I am engaging in the sin of pride (say) then how do I access an antidote I clearly have no desire for (pride denying that I've a problem needing an antidote).

    Similarly, if I'm being slothful and have no appetite for matters pertaining to faith then it's hardly useful to point me to an antidote I'll not have the interest or energy to take up.

    The same can be said of all these antidotes: the sin in question renders the antidote unobtainable. How can something be an antidote if you can't access it.

    The advice "Lacking in energy? The antidote is to be filled with energy!" is missing a vital componant somewhere.

    It's very simple, e.g. recognise your Pride, check it, and regularly practice humility instead until it becomes your habit instead of Pride.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    It's very simple, e.g. recognise your Pride, check it, and regularly practice humility instead until it becomes your habit instead of Pride.

    Chewing gum is a habit. Pride isn't.

    It seems to me that the only way to solve a problem is to address the root of it. The desire to sin isn't addressed by masking it with something you haven't a particular desire to do.

    Humility (for example) is primarily a state of heart. You can't practice it just by donning a cloak of humility. To do that would be false humility.

    So, if prideful (a state of heart) how you you obtain the other state of heart so as to be genuinely 'umble? It seems that that's what's to be sought - not the product produced by it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    In a nutshell! It's love of God over love of self!
    Love of others over love of self!


    Erm.. the OP places you in the position of loving self over God and others (eg: being proud). It's something you're wanting to do.

    Why would someone who is wanting to love self over God and others magically want to love God and others over self? What magic wand does he wave to bring about the transition?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    Erm.. the OP places you in the position of loving self over God and others (eg: being proud). It's something you're wanting to do.

    Why would someone who is wanting to love self over God and others magically want to love God and others over self? What magic wand does he wave to bring about the transition?


    What does god have to wave to make people love him? His finger - A tree branch - A magic wand - or just nothing waved at all? Anything it wants, really... it is magic and god, no?

    Or are you asking what wand does the person have to wave in order to love someone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    His finger? A tree branch? A magic wand. Or just nothing waved at all? Anything it wants, really... it is magic and god, no?

    Not quite. Theology is to religion what engineering is to car engines. If, in explaining the workings of the 'mechanism' you have to join the componants with magic then you loose the game.

    We don't mind supernatural componants though - they aren't viewed here in quite the same as magic is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭lmaopml


    Erm.. the OP places you in the position of loving self over God and others (eg: being proud). It's something you're wanting to do.

    Why would someone who is wanting to love self over God and others magically want to love God and others over self? What magic wand does he wave to bring about the transition?


    He doesn't wave a 'magical' wand. He is 'ALL'. It's about 'faith'. It's not about a 'credit card' that God decided to send to make sure that you never need to exhaust yourself with self examination or any such menial thing that would degrade you. God forbid you would emphasise any such thing when you depend so much on having 'credit'. The sum total of Scripture?

    Antiskeptic, it's not a case of if I am 'full' of pride etc. etc. - no I may decide to indulge in the sin of pride every so often and it's about self recognition? Do you understand? It's about 'self' knowledge and making sure, not for the sake of 'salvation' but for love of God that we continue to correct ourselves on our journey of 'knowledge' of God and self too. The moment we stop thinking it's useless to examine ourselves, the moment we lose touch with everything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    lmaopml wrote: »
    He doesn't wave a 'magical' wand. He is 'ALL'. It's about 'faith'. It's not about a 'credit card' that God decided to send to make sure that you never need to exhaust yourself with self examination or any such menial thing that would degrade you. God forbid you would emphasise any such thing when you depend so much on having 'credit'. The sum total of Scripture?

    Suffice to say, banging an anti-OSAS drum doesn't address the question asked

    :)


    Antiskeptic, it's not a case of if I am 'full' of pride etc. etc. - no I may decide to indulge in the sin of pride every so often and it's about self recognition?

    If it's merely a case of your deciding to indulge in a particular sin or not then the simple solution is to decide not to indulge. You don't need the remedy suggested by the OP.

    Not that I think you can decide to engage in humility. How would that work: you wake up one morning and decide to engage in a bit of pride that day but then you 'check yourself' and decide "you know what - I think I'll be humble today instead"? So you make sure to let someone else get on the bus before you and resist beeping your horn when someone pulls out in front of you?


    Do you understand? It's about 'self' knowledge and making sure, not for the sake of 'salvation' but for love of God that we continue to correct ourselves on our journey of 'knowledge' of God and self too. The moment we stop thinking it's useless to examine ourselves, the moment we lose touch with everything.

    This isn't relevant to the question. The question enquires into "how these antidotes work?".

    I haven't once suggested that a person doesn't need to address their sin.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    I keep looking at the thread title and asking myself what is "sin" and why are some "deadly"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    old hippy wrote: »
    I keep looking at the thread title and asking myself what is "sin" and why are some "deadly"?

    Good point - given that all sin is deadly. As for what sin is? I suppose it can be described in various ways: disobeying God, going your own way, breaking God's laws.

    Personally, I'd sum up it's essence as "hating that which God stands for"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭littlejp


    Why is Edward Scissorhands in the centre of that image?

    Don't mean to take this off topic. Just curious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭Morbert


    Good point - given that all sin is deadly. As for what sin is? I suppose it can be described in various ways: disobeying God, going your own way, breaking God's laws.

    Personally, I'd sum up it's essence as "hating that which God stands for"

    afaik sin is effectively "missing the mark", or failing to live up to God's expectations. A good exchange from the Stand by Stephen King:

    "Why is God so forgiving?"
    "He has to be. He is so demanding."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    Morbert wrote: »
    afaik sin is effectively "missing the mark", or failing to live up to God's expectations.

    I recall being told that the word 'sin' (or it's greek equivilent perhaps) is tied into an old archery expression such as 'missing the mark'. Which might be missing the mark somewhat.

    There is an undoubtably wilful element to sin that isn't reflected in the mere missing of a target. Men are intent on shooting their arrows anywhere but at the target in fact. I would see wilfulness as sitting at the epicentre of sin. It's the font from which all sin's grottiness springs ("out of the overflow of the heart .. etc").

    I would see it more as God's demand than I would meet his expectations. I don't for one minute think that God expects us to live up to his demands. They are set deliberately and impossibly high afterall.

    A good exchange from the Stand by Stephen King:

    "Why is God so forgiving?"
    "He has to be. He is so demanding."


    Bullseye! For such is holiness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 401 ✭✭Bob Cratchet


    I would see it more as God's demand than I would his expectation. I don't for one minute think that God expects us to live up to his demands. They are set deliberately and impossibly high afterall.

    No they're not. Excuses, excuses, excuses of why not to bother is all we hear from you.

    Keep the commandments, avoid the seven deadly sins, love your neighbour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    No they're not. Excuses, excuses, excuses of why not to bother is all we hear from you.

    Keep the commandments, avoid the seven deadly sins, love your neighbour.

    The sense of the word 'expect' in this context is the one which assures itself that a result will be certainly achieved.

    You will sin, so will I. God cannot have an expectation that his laws will be followed when at the same time he is absolutely positive that we will sin. You must also remember (although I didn't underline the fact) that I was talking to an atheist. A lost person (whether he has been baptised into the Roman Church or not). The purpose of God setting his law to Morbert is to bring Morbert to his knees through his patent failure to obey it - not set Morbert a bar to jump over (a la RC). God doesn't do 7/10 = a Pass .. with a grind in Purgo to haul you the rest of the way :).

    You might object to such a theology and are welcome to present Morbert with your own.


    -

    For some reason or other you've got it into your head that if my motivation to follow God's laws isn't based on my hoping I'll be saved by doing so, then I can have no motivation to follow God's laws.

    This is not only wrong (I can be motivated to follow God's laws because I love God), but also says much about the heart behind your own motivation. God's laws followed only in the hope of getting something back from God? It's not exactly the loftiest of motivations is it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    No they're not. Excuses, excuses, excuses of why not to bother is all we hear from you.

    Keep the commandments, avoid the seven deadly sins, love your neighbour.

    I'd really encourage you to read the book of Romans in depth. It was that book that took me away. I of myself cannot do anything but sin. It is only by God's grace and mercy that I can be who He wanted me to be in the beginning. The only thing I can really say is "Thank you Jesus!". The works that I do as a result of my faith are those which have been given to me by God in advance (Ephesians 2:8-10). God is the custodian of my life and He has been guiding it in a direction ever since I've began to accept Him. I don't always know exactly where it is going other than that it is going somewhere and I can look back and see a certain direction in past events that I couldn't say that I had the most control over.

    The best that we as Christians can do results from saying "Lord show me what you want me to be, and help me to live as you want me to live, and speak as you want me to speak".

    Although Paul writes in Romans 3:23 that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, Jesus gives us the strength to pick up and become more and more like Him on a daily basis.

    Christianity is radically different to other religions not only does it say that you don't have to do X, Y and Z in order for God to love you. It also says that God will help you to be as He wants you to be rather than leaving you to do it alone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭toby08


    Pride, Covetousness, Lust, Anger, Gluttony, Envy, Sloth I think we dont hear much about them anymore because it is mostly in the RC church they are practised and most people are trying to get away and not be tarnished by reports coming ou on a daily basis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭gimmebroadband


    toby08 wrote: »
    Pride, Covetousness, Lust, Anger, Gluttony, Envy, Sloth I think we dont hear much about them anymore because it is mostly in the RC church they are practised and most people are trying to get away and not be tarnished by reports coming ou on a daily basis.

    Not forgetting there is also a HUMAN element to the RCC, as there is in all walks of society, human nature in it's weaknes will fall from time to time. Certainly some priests and bishops etc, failed and sinned aginst God and the teachings of the Church they professed to be faithful to! This might come as a surprise to some, the Clergy are not exempt from any of the above deadly sins!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭santing


    toby08 wrote: »
    Pride, Covetousness, Lust, Anger, Gluttony, Envy, Sloth I think we dont hear much about them anymore because [snip]
    Maybe because we all have got used to these and other sins being around and dominating our society?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭toby08


    Not forgetting there is also a HUMAN element to the RCC, as there is in all walks of society, human nature in it's weaknes will fall from time to time. Certainly some priests and bishops etc, failed and sinned aginst God and the teachings of the Church they professed to be faithful to! This might come as a surprise to some, the Clergy are not exempt from any of the above deadly sins!
    but in the eyes of the said rc they would prefer them to be exempt from punishment too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭gimmebroadband


    toby08 wrote: »
    but in the eyes of the said rc they would prefer them to be exempt from punishment too.

    Aside from what the tabloids imply, have you any links to back up your statement???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭lmaopml


    philologos wrote: »
    The best that we as Christians can do results from saying "Lord show me what you want me to be, and help me to live as you want me to live, and speak as you want me to speak".

    Although Paul writes in Romans 3:23 that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, Jesus gives us the strength to pick up and become more and more like Him on a daily basis.

    Christianity is radically different to other religions not only does it say that you don't have to do X, Y and Z in order for God to love you. It also says that God will help you to be as He wants you to be rather than leaving you to do it alone.

    I would agree with all of that philologos. I think that is perhaps one of the types of prayers that are universal in Christianity.....asking God to help us on our journey and accepting the path laid before us, no matter - to keep us from temptation and in repenting our sins we love a little better, a little more each time we recognise we have fallen and picked ourselves up and continued to love and do the will of God, let him reign our hearts more fully, and reject sin in our lives as best we can to honour him.

    Certainly, God loves all his children. From a Catholic perspective, speaking of 'sin' in our lives and how to reflect better, doesn't negate that we are still sharing the 'Good news' too...


    I think this thread was really just about breaking down some of the more serious sins that people sometimes engage in and don't even realise it - ones that have a dreadful effect on those around us - a way to examine our conscience and move closer to God in doing so? It was meant to be a 'helpful' thread is my guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭lmaopml


    littlejp wrote: »
    Why is Edward Scissorhands in the centre of that image?

    Don't mean to take this off topic. Just curious.


    :pac::pac:

    I have no idea why..lol...but that's funny, I just noticed - Arty folk huh? Poor Edward Scissor hands! Captain Jack Sparrow I'd have noticed quicker..:D...I'd have wondered why he was there too though *scratches head*

    Thanks! If you can't laugh sometimes then what's it all about...


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