Round 3- Football qualifiers

DamnTasty

Say what you will about disadvantages for provincial winners, the qualifiers have throw up some cracking games over the years. Only downside is the fact that you can have 8 games going on the Saturday and only one is televised and little coverage on Sunday game for others due to there being bigger provincial games being played on Sunday.

Draw this evening.

Lot of potentially tasty ties. Don't think anyone will want armagh/Wicklow as the fixture will be a week behind after last night.

Meath
Antrim
Down
Tyrone
Kildare
Limerick
Waterford
Armagh/Wicklow

PTH2009

Waterford vs Limerick or Antrim would be a very winnable game for Waterford. This is the furtherest that Waterford has every got in the football championship

Derfil

Wouldn't mind a crack at Waterford in the next round.

rpurfield

teams that already met in the province cant meet again is that right?im thinking about meath v kildare

Hammer Archer

I don't think there are any ties that couldn't happen. Definitely want to avoid Kildare although if it was to be played in Navan I'd be quietly confident.

homerjay2005

kildare, tyrone, down and meath are obviously the 4 teams, drawn against each other depending of course, that stand out as being the 4 teams that i would like to avoid in the 1/4 final.

cork, roscommon, donegal and wexford probably will be the 4 teams joining the then in the last qualifier rounds.

jamsieboy86

rpurfield wrote: »

teams that already met in the province cant meet again is that right?im thinking about meath v kildare

Correct, KFM said so in their post-match coverage yesterday.

Hammer Archer

jamsieboy86 wrote: »

Correct, KFM said so in their post-match coverage yesterday.

Maybe I'm wrong, but in the previous round there were no ties that couldn't occur (they said so before the draw) so why would there be any in this one?

jamsieboy86

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Maybe I'm wrong, but in the previous round there were no ties that couldn't occur (they said so before the draw) so why would there be any in this one?

I thought the same, but they mentioned it twice yesterday on the radio that we couldn't be drawn against Meath, although it was KFM so they could've been wrong.

Cill Dara Abu

That Wicklow-Armagh match should be replayed on Wednesday and have all the teams playing on the same weekend

Hammer Archer

jamsieboy86 wrote: »

I thought the same, but they mentioned it twice yesterday on the radio that we couldn't be drawn against Meath, although it was KFM so they could've been wrong.

Sure we'll know at 6pm.

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

That Wicklow-Armagh match should be replayed on Wednesday and have all the teams playing on the same weekend

3 games in 7 days and the Armagh players having to take a half day from work to get down to Aughrim? Don't think so.

LuckyGent88

nice handy draw at the start with Limerick v Waterford going on to play wexford. Great opportunity for one of those sides.

Possible replay of last years all-ireland and a nice local rivalry between Kildare & Meath.

ColeTrain

Round 3 - First team plays at home

Limerick vs Waterford
Tyrone vs Wicklow/Armagh
Antrim vs Down
Meath vs Kildare

Round 4 Neutral Venue to be decided

Limerick/Waterford vs Wexford
Tyrone/Wicklow/Armagh vs Mayo/Roscommon
Antrim/Down vs Cork
Meath/Kildare vs Donegal/Derry

davetherave

Round 3: 1st team drawn gets home advantage
1) Limerick V Waterford
2) Tyrone V Armagh/Wicklow
3) Antrim V Down
4) Meath V Kildare

Round 4: Neutral Venue
1 v Wexford
2 v Mayo/Roscommon
3 v Cork
4 v Donegal/Derry


I would have taken anyone but Meath......

Hammer Archer

Got the team everyone was hoping to avoid but I feel we have a decent chance in Navan if our backs perform like they did yesterday and our forwards don't.
If there was around 20000 at the game yesterday with only maybe 1000 Galway, we could see Navan being more packed than its been in decades for this game.

corny

Wexford, Tyrone, Cork and Kildare to come through.

ColeTrain

davetherave wrote: »

Round 3: 1st team drawn gets home advantage
1) Limerick V Waterford
2) Tyrone V Armagh/Wicklow
3) Antrim V Down
4) Meath V Kildare

Round 4: Neutral Venue
1 v Wexford
2 v Mayo/Roscommon
3 v Cork
4 v Donegal/Derry


I would have taken anyone but Meath......

Must be annoying to keep drawing Leinster teams. Antrim, Limerick or Waterford would have been a nice draw..

Cill Dara Abu

davetherave wrote: »

Round 3: 1st team drawn gets home advantage
1) Limerick V Waterford
2) Tyrone V Armagh/Wicklow
3) Antrim V Down
4) Meath V Kildare

Round 4: Neutral Venue
1 v Wexford
2 v Mayo/Roscommon
3 v Cork
4 v Donegal/Derry


I would have taken anyone but Meath......

Why??? We have beaten them twice in 2 years in the championship

Browney7

Limerick and Waterford both got the teams they wanted in the draw. I hope Limerick will win but I can see us getting caught. Waterford will be rightly up for this. Wexford in the next round potentially. Again both teams would be delighted with it.

I have a sneaky feeling for Meath. If Kildare are to win this All Ireland they are going to have to do it the hard way. Tyrone and Armagh will be happy about the potential round 4 match.

I'm not sure will Cork fancy playing Down up in Portlaoise (most likely place).

Strange the way everyone drew someone from their own province unless Wicklow win. Queue the conspiracy theorists saying the draw is fixed.

ned rierson

there'll be some crowd in Navan next weekend. looking forward to it

traecy1

Wexford have been getting very lucky with the draws. Offaly, Westmeath and Carlow to get to a Leinster Final and now just Limerick or Waterford standing in their way of a place in the All Ireland Quarter Finals. On the other hand Kildare have been very unfortunate. Wicklow, Meath and Dublin in Leinster. After coming so close to beating Dublin, they end up getting away draws to Laois and Meath. If they overcome that they have a tough Ulster team in Derry or Donegal before they can make the Quarter Finals.

Browney7

traecy1 wrote: »

Wexford have been getting very lucky with the draws. Offaly, Westmeath and Carlow to get to a Leinster Final and now just Limerick or Waterford standing in their way of a place in the All Ireland Quarter Finals. On the other hand Kildare have been very unfortunate. Wicklow, Meath and Dublin in Leinster. After coming so close to beating Dublin, they end up getting away draws to Laois and Meath. If they overcome that they have a tough Ulster team in Derry or Donegal before they can make the Quarter Finals.

When it's written down it puts it in perspective alright. There is some anamoly there. Kildare could be on the wrong side of Leinster again next year with the seedings

km79

Will 1 quarter final be delayed a week now due to Wicklow Armagh replay? Also is it still the case that provincial winners can't draw the respective beaten provincial finalists in the quarters ?

Cill Dara Abu

ned rierson wrote: »

there'll be some crowd in Navan next weekend. looking forward to it

Are they on next weekend??? Or the weekend after?

traecy1

km79 wrote: »

Will 1 quarter final be delayed a week now due to Wicklow Armagh replay? Also is it still the case that provincial winners can't draw the respective beaten provincial finalists in the quarters ?

Yes that draw in Armagh last night has made a mess of the schedule. I think the original plan was to play all 4 Quarter Finals on the August Bank Holiday weekend but that can't happen now, unless as someone suggested they play some midweek games which would be highly unlikely. Provincial winners cannot play the teams they beat in the final in the Quarter Finals.

Hammer Archer

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Are they on next weekend??? Or the weekend after?

Next weekend I think. There's usually only a week between the qualifiers unless there a replay (obviously the Tyrone game will be on a week later).

davetherave

Next Weekend, July 16th.

Why??? We have beaten them twice in 2 years in the championship

I think out of the seven other teams I think they will be the toughest challenge. Would have preferred the likes of say Limerick or Antrim.

copacetic

Not updated with weekends results/draw yet, but this PDF on GAA.ie gives the full fixture plan on a wall chart

http://www.gaa.ie/content/downloads/wallcharts/football_wallchart_results_2011.pdf

eigrod

Antrim/Down v Cork probably be in Parnell Park I guess ?

Browney7

km79 wrote: »

Will 1 quarter final be delayed a week now due to Wicklow Armagh replay? Also is it still the case that provincial winners can't draw the respective beaten provincial finalists in the quarters ?

Limerick could also throw a potential spanner in the works if they can beat Waterford next weekend as then our hurlers and footballers would be in action on the same weekend for round four/hurling quarter finals.

Although the GAA set a precedent at the weekend by not accomodating our two dual players so doubt they will this time either. Hopefully our county board puts up a fight this time around.

eigrod

Browney7 wrote: »

Although the GAA set a precedent at the weekend by not accomodating our two dual players so doubt they will this time either. Hopefully our county board puts up a fight this time around.

No chance. Not for Limerick and not for any county. The dates for the qualifiers are set in stone (with the exception of when a replay is required). It would be chaos if everything had to go back because of dual players.

raven136

Meath Kildare game will be tasty.Another 7pm kickoff i wonder?

The winners of that V Donegal(imo)....what would be a neutral venue for that?

eigrod

raven136 wrote: »

Meath Kildare game will be tasty.Another 7pm kickoff i wonder?

The winners of that V Donegal(imo)....what would be a neutral venue for that?

Breffni Park or Clones ?

Stinicker

lol at Cork getting drawn against Down if Down beats Antrim. Kerry had their heads screwed on when they made sure to dispatch Cork clinically in Killarney last weekend. Although Cork will probably beat Down again but they will want to up the ante a bit better than they played Kerry.

Browney7

eigrod wrote: »

No chance. Not for Limerick and not for any county. The dates for the qualifiers are set in stone (with the exception of when a replay is required). It would be chaos if everything had to go back because of dual players.

they might aswell outlaw Dual players at the next congress so.

copacetic

Stinicker wrote: »

lol at Cork getting drawn against Down if Down beats Antrim. Kerry had their heads screwed on when they made sure to dispatch Cork clinically in Killarney last weekend. Although Cork will probably beat Down again but they will want to up the ante a bit better than they played Kerry.

Ah now, thats a bit revisionist! Clinically? Barely, with the help of the post and hanging on for dear life is closer!

Syferus

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

That Wicklow-Armagh match should be replayed on Wednesday and have all the teams playing on the same weekend

Ridiculous. This is an amateur game and putting that level of demand on any team, let alone people not being paid a red cent is blasé at best - these are guys who for the most part are working Monday to Friday on top of all the inter-county training, let alone having to try and accommodate a mid-week fixture sandwiched between two weekend games.

The qualifier system is very compacted as it is, the one thing it doesn't need is the capacity to be crushed together even more.


On a somewhat seperate issue, the Armagh/Wicklow draw has managed to partially fix the equally insane situation where Connacht/Ulster final losers are made play again six days later. A boon for the Connacht losers, but Ulster drawing the winners of Meath/Kildare makes it seem like the boomerang came around and hit them in the face instead.

eigrod

Browney7 wrote: »

they might aswell outlaw Dual players at the next congress so.

In most cases the player has to choose themselves. That goes right back to the days when Ray Cummins & Jimmy Barry Murphy had to do so 30+ years ago.

It's near impossible to do it nowadays.

If you lose your championship game and find yourself in the qualifiers, you just can't accomodate your dual player as long as your county is involved in both qualifiers as the dates willl always clash. Otherwise they'd have to put the AI finals back to October.

Browney7

eigrod wrote: »

In most cases the player has to choose themselves. That goes right back to the days when Ray Cummins & Jimmy Barry Murphy had to do so 30+ years ago.

It's near impossible to do it nowadays.

If you lose your championship game and find yourself in the qualifiers, you just can't accomodate your dual player as long as your county is involved in both qualifiers as the dates willl always clash. Otherwise they'd have to put the AI finals back to October.

In fairness now did fixtures ever clash back in the day of JBM. There was no qualifiers then sure. I've already accepted that they probably won't be available anyway so its a moot point. There are less hurling qualifiers than football so it would only happen maybe twice in the one year at most. To be honest I didn't expect Liemrick to do well in both codes so tis a bonus.

StupidLikeAFox

Browney7 wrote: »

In fairness now did fixtures ever clash back in the day of JBM. There was no qualifiers then sure. I've already accepted that they probably won't be available anyway so its a moot point. There are less hurling qualifiers than football so it would only happen maybe twice in the one year at most. To be honest I didn't expect Liemrick to do well in both codes so tis a bonus.

It wouldnt. What would happen is every county would register one or two players in both codes and start abusing the system.

pjmn

raven136 wrote: »

Meath Kildare game will be tasty.Another 7pm kickoff i wonder?

The winners of that V Donegal(imo)....what would be a neutral venue for that?

.... interesting way to start a GAA match....

raven136

pjmn wrote: »

.... interesting way to start a GAA match....

Kickoff,throw in,blow the fcuking whistle...who cares.

Browney7

ColHol wrote: »

It wouldnt. What would happen is every county would register one or two players in both codes and start abusing the system.

I was coming from the perspective of 12 county hurling. Christy Ring has already been played along with the Nicky Rackard. There are only 6 counties now left in the hurling. KK don't play football. The other counties don't have dual players although Waterford have plenty players good enough to play both. As do Tipp. However their own counties seem to make them choose.

I cant honestly remember of players having to choose which game they had to pick on the same weekend in the last few years.

pjmn

raven136 wrote: »

Kickoff,throw in,blow the fcuking whistle...who cares.

... struck a cord there, did I....:D

thee glitz

Surely Meath v Kildare will be in Croke Park... with the possibility of adding Wicklow v Armagh to the bill?

eigrod

Browney7 wrote: »

I was coming from the perspective of 12 county hurling. Christy Ring has already been played along with the Nicky Rackard. There are only 6 counties now left in the hurling. KK don't play football. The other counties don't have dual players although Waterford have plenty players good enough to play both. As do Tipp. However their own counties seem to make them choose.

I cant honestly remember of players having to choose which game they had to pick on the same weekend in the last few years.

Because the managers make them choose who they train with, resulting in the player losing out. Eoin Cadogan was sub for Cork v Kerry last week because he had been training with the hurlers. The hurlers are out now so he'll have to fight for his place back on the football team.

Also, because Limerick went out of both hurling and football early on meant that they were in both qualifiers very early on and therefore the problem was worse for them this year.

The qualifiers have to be played on the weekends that were set out at the start of the year, otherwise it would be chaotic to schedule games.

raven136

pjmn wrote: »

... struck a cord there, did I....:D

its the joys of being a gaelic fan and soccer(football) fan i guess

pjmn

raven136 wrote: »

its the joys of being a gaelic fan and soccer(football) fan i guess

... same here....;)

Hammer Archer

thee glitz wrote: »

Surely Meath v Kildare will be in Croke Park... with the possibility of adding Wicklow v Armagh to the bill?

Not a chance we will give up home advantage given what Kildare have done to us the last two times in Croker. Navan is well able to host this.

homerjay2005

thee glitz wrote: »

Surely Meath v Kildare will be in Croke Park... with the possibility of adding Wicklow v Armagh to the bill?

no way on either of them...round 3 qualifiers are home/away games, not neutral. navan can take about 28,000 and will be packed for this, creating a great atmosphere. putting it into a half empty croke park makes no sense.

and try taking wicklows home advantage off them.....they are favorites i reckon, would be mickos greatest achievement since winning the last leinster title.

teednab-el

Stinicker wrote: »

lol at Cork getting drawn against Down if Down beats Antrim. Kerry had their heads screwed on when they made sure to dispatch Cork clinically in Killarney last weekend. Although Cork will probably beat Down again but they will want to up the ante a bit better than they played Kerry.

What game were you watching? From what I saw it was a game of two halves and Cork were unlucky not to win with the ball that hit the post. I thought there was very little between the two teams in the end. Kerry started stronger but Cork finished stronger.