The AH Emigration Thread

philologos

I rarely post threads on boards, mostly just respond to other peoples threads, but this is a topic I've been wanting to ask the fine people of AH about for quite a while.

I've read a thread and I've seen a lot of mixed opinion about the idea of emigrating. Some people are saying that we should all get out because Ireland's crap or such. Others insinuate that people who leave Ireland are essentially traitors. The common perception even in the world outside of AH* is that emigration is an awfully tragic thing, but why is this the case?

If you were offered a good opportunity elsewhere what's so bad about that?

I'm interested to see where the fine people of AH are on that spectrum.

Edit: Gah! Forgot poll. What I want to ask is are you thinking of emigrating, or are you emigrating in the next year / few months? Also a general thought on whether or not you think emigration is really as awful as the media / some people on AH make out?

* Yes there is a world outside of AH :pac:

HerrScheisse

Traitors for leaving?? The government bankrupted the state and people that leave are considered traitors??

theboss80

Im starting 3rd year of degree after returning to education and in 3 years I will have a masters in the subject so me and my family will be off then if things dont improve.

strokemyclover

philologos wrote: »

Some people are saying that we should all get out because Ireland's crap or such.....I'm interested to see where the fine people of AH are on that spectrum.

It's not that Ireland is crap, it's just the people who run Ireland are making it crap for everyone else.....imagine having to wear custom suits in order to represent your constituency

Also, there's too much use of the phrase "the fine people of AH" in your post....makes me think you're Enda Kenny

HerrScheisse

He is if he speaks in one syllable and wants to wear mohair.

SuprSi

I left in March. One of the best things I've ever done, and I'm in my mid-30's so it was a huge decision. Now I'm hardly half way across the planet but you don't need to go far to escape the gloom.

Can't see myself going back for a long time.

philologos

SuprSi wrote: »

I left in March. One of the best things I've ever done, and I'm in my mid-30's so it was a huge decision. Now I'm hardly half way across the planet but you don't need to go far to escape the gloom.

Can't see myself going back for a long time.

What kind of work do you do where you are now? (If you don't want to answer that's OK, I'm just interested).

Terry

Go if you want to go, and don't let what anyone else says stop you.
If you want a better life than you have here, and think you can find in elsewhere, then follow your dream. Millions have done it before you, and millions more will do it in the years to come.

What I do have a problem with is the dicks who haven't been here for 10 years or more.
They go to work abroad, come back here and complain about everything. Then they vote for FF or FG and bitch even more when the **** hits the fan again.

If you do go, please don't come back and tell everyone within earshot how awesome Germany/ Australia/ NZ/ U.S./ U.K/ France/ Middle Earth/ France/ Belgium/ Cardassia/ Spain/ Brazil is.
Seriously. If we want to know, we'll ask, and if it was that ****ing good, then why the **** didn't you stay there?

Crazy Horse 6

Went in the early 90's for NY and can say they where the best days of my life except for the day my daughter was born. Biggest mistake i ever made was coming back during the "tiger years" to this kip. I genuinely dislike everything that this country has become.

Turtwig

Philogos,

People on one Coast of the U.S often travel to the opposite coast in search of jobs. People in Southern Italy often immigrate to Northern Italy in search of Jobs. Both countries are wayyyyyyyy bigger than Ireland. The expectation that this country and its tiny economy should be able to employ everyone born here is a little silly in my book.

Go, where you have the best opportunities, God speed, take care but stay in touch with us on boards.:)

cml387

Terry wrote: »

Go if you want to go, and don't let what anyone else says stop you.
If you want a better life than you have here, and think you can find in elsewhere, then follow your dream. Millions have done it before you, and millions more will do it in the years to come.

What I do have a problem with is the dicks who haven't been here for 10 years or more.
They go to work abroad, come back here and complain about everything. Then they vote for FF or FG and bitch even more when the **** hits the fan again.

If you do go, please don't come back and tell everyone within earshot how awesome Germany/ Australia/ NZ/ U.S./ U.K/ France/ Middle Earth/ France/ Belgium/ Cardassia/ Spain/ Brazil is.
Seriously. If we want to know, we'll ask, and if it was that ****ing good, then why the **** didn't you stay there?

and if you do go,embrace the culture.Mix with the natives.Learn the language if it's not English and don't become the sad emigre who haunts the Irish pubs and after twenty years realise you have no ties to the place you live in,or to the Ireland you left.

Crazy Horse 6

strokemyclover wrote: »

It's not that Ireland is crap, it's just the people who run Ireland are making it crap for everyone else.....imagine having to wear custom suits in order to represent your constituency

Also, there's too much use of the phrase "the fine people of AH" in your post....makes me think you're Enda Kenny

No Ireland is crap. I think the breaking point for me was this upcoming water charge, water charge in Ireland? I mean WTF.

philologos

I should perhaps clarify my position. I'm set to move to the UK at the end of August. Naturally it was a big enough decision since I've just finished my degree here. I'm just curious as to why the feeling about emigrating is so negative on here and also in general.

HerrScheisse

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cml387 wrote: »

and if you do go,embrace the culture.Mix with the natives.Learn the language if it's not English and don't become the sad emigre who haunts the Irish pubs and after twenty years realise you have no ties to the place you live in,or to the Ireland you left.

Now that is some good advice.

philologos wrote: »

I should perhaps clarify my position. I'm set to move to the UK at the end of August. Naturally it was a big enough decision since I've just finished my degree here. I'm just curious as to why the feeling about emigrating is so negative on here and also in general.

Its "rapture syndrome", the ones left behind are always angry at the ones that are saved.

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

No Ireland is crap. I think the breaking point for me was this upcoming water charge, water charge in Ireland? I mean WTF.

You just wait until the property charge comes in then. A tax on property you legally purchased and own.

randylonghorn

philologos wrote: »

The common perception even in the world outside of AH* is that emigration is an awfully tragic thing, but why is this the case?

I don't think that it's emigration in itself which is tragic, even during the "boom" years people chose to travel / work abroad for both short periods and indefinitely.

I think the important element there though is choice. Many people feel now that they have no choice but to emigrate; what's more, they're probably right.

emo72

"ireland" may owe 200 billion by the time this is over. not sure but there may be 1 million people here in work to pay that debt back. thats impossible to do. what amazes me is the EU overlords havent locked the borders down.

if everyone decides to up sticks and move abroad, who will pay back the debt?

so do you wanna be a slave or free?

GTFO while you can.

cena

I wish I was born in new york. Its got the things i'v interested in.

ToniTuddle

Applying for a 2 year course for next year, once it's completed then I'm on the next plane out of here to do the whole 2 years in Oz. Then I'll do the 2 years in Canada. All the while applying yearly for the green card lottery to America.

If for some reason I don't get my course next year.....then I'm straight on a plane!

No matter what I'm doing the Oz thing before I'm 30, have too as the year long visas stop once you hit that age(unless ye one of those "Skilled Workers"). Canadian year long working holiday visas keep going until you are 35 so leave that until after Oz. All planned and all gonna be done.

By time I come back home hopefully I will have enough experience to actually get a paid job in what I want to do....plus hopefully the country is a bit better by then.

Terry

Terry wrote: »

If you do go, please don't come back and tell everyone within earshot how awesome Germany/ Australia/ NZ/ U.S./ U.K/ France/ Middle Earth/ France/ Belgium/ Cardassia/ Spain/ Brazil is

Whats wrong with hearing how things are done elsewhere?
Maybe we could improve things HERE if we listened to how its done elsewhere

Only a suggestion but maybe your attitude is the problem and not those you dont like listening to?

Malty_T

Malty_T wrote: »

The expectation that this country and its tiny economy should be able to employ everyone born here is a little silly in my book.

such low expectations

WindSock

I'm hoping to head off to China next year when my schoolin is done. 8 months of little bits of but mostly unemployment and a 16k post count on boards is no way to spend the rest of my good days.

Larianne

I love Ireland. I've travelled a bit, and lived in Australia and America and there's no better banter than in Ireland. But when I finish college in 2 years time I'll have to move abroad. I'm studying a health science course and there are no jobs due to the embargo. With my course, they are basically training us for export. (The Ministry of Health from Singapore were interviewing 4th years for jobs before they'd even qualified.) Not only that, I don't want to go work in the hospitals the way they are at the moment. The staff are over stretched and stressed. It's not a nice environment to work in.

I'd love to see the country turn itself around before I finish my course but I don't see that happening. :cool:

randylonghorn

Deleted User wrote: »

Whats wrong with hearing how things are done elsewhere?
Maybe we could improve things HERE if we listened to how its done elsewhere

Only a suggestion but maybe your attitude is the problem and not those you dont like listening to?

I think he may be talking about the "OMG OMG OMFG!!!! the prawns in Palermo were sooooooooo huuuuuuuuuuggeeeee!!!" type brigade ... and they go on for hours at a time.

Personally, I love travelling, haven't had a chance to do half enough of it, and I can happily listen to people's *interesting* experiences and tales, but that type get on my tits too.

maglite

I'm a recent College Grad.

I was always going to leave to get better experiences before returning to work in Ireland.
I'm now considering not coming back as soon as I planned. Not due to the government or Bond Holders but because of the general attitude of the Irish.
The "so you think your entitled to €X,000 LoL" or "are't you lucky to have a job" or down to the "you should work for free to get experience".

The pay, conditions, benefits and work culture abroad are so much better than here. We have people who think they are entitled to everything under the sun and those with the Skill sets needed by employers are being dicked around because employers think they reign supreme

Solnskaya

Here's the rub. I'm fairly thick, I realise I'm a bit thick, but I'm also a workhorse, and everybody needs a workhorse. I'm so busy that i just don't answer my phone to most people who ring me to work. I love Ireland, I like the people, I like the sh1te climate, I like the way we moan about stuff. I meet lads every day who are qualified this and qualified that, yet are unemployed. I'm qualified nothing. Full stop. But I'm busy, always. I realise we will be taxed to the hilt, ok. I realise there will be cutbacks, ok. I realise all politicians are gangsters, ok. But I like it here, I'll try and pay the taxes, and when you emigrate, you still take you with you. Everywhere is everywhere, and yes, I've travveled, fairly widely, but i like it here. Maybe if we decided to work a bit more and whinge a bit less, things would be better.

uncleoswald

randylonghorn wrote: »

I think he may be talking about the "OMG OMG OMFG!!!! the prawns in Palermo were sooooooooo huuuuuuuuuuggeeeee!!!" type brigade ... and they go on for hours at a time.

Personally, I love travelling, haven't had a chance to do half enough of it, and I can happily listen to people's *interesting* experiences and tales, but that type get on my tits too.

I imagine he was referring more to the Bob Geldoff type brigade who at every opportunity tell people how sh*te Ireland is, as if it has no redeeming features. The Irish must use the phrase "Only in...insert your own country here..." more then any other nation on earth and about stupid things that could happen everywhere, Governments are badly run all over the planet. Not saying Ireland hasn't been run particularity badly but ask a local of any city and they'll say much the same. I'm living abroad for a second stint, loving it again but i know I'll want to go back to Ireland eventually.


The good thing about living abroad is not having too many ties to the place, you tend not to get involved in politics and have no family issues annoying you all the time so it can often seem like you don't have a care in the world. You also tend only to notice the things that you find better run then at home

I thought of leaving in 1986 when the economy was even more crap than it is now. But I didn't, and was rewarded with almost 20 years of economic boom and bloom. Now everything is doom and gloom again, but I'm unlikely to move because of my age, family commitments and the fact that we'll probably muddle through the current mess.

Leaving that aside, Ireland would be a great place if it wasn't for the weather. And maybe the government.

But above all, it'd be spot on if it wasn't for the people. I don't mean everyone, but I do mean a lot of us. Many of us are, it has to be said, whinging, boorish misfits with an infantile and one-dimensional attitude to our role in the community we live in, a stunted and warped social and cultural perspective, and a severely limited grasp of the things a place really needs to make it a decent place to live.

But unless things take a turn for the (even) worse, I s'pose I'll be staying.

Any key?

I'm emigrating in 2 months.

can't f*cking wait.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Defo not all doom and gloom, It's called living your life.I've worked hard here for afew years and love Ireland but wanderlust has its hold on me.

Any key?

Any key? wrote: »

I'm emigrating in 2 months.

can't f*cking wait.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Defo not all doom and gloom, It's called living your life.I've worked hard here for afew years and love Ireland but wanderlust has its hold on me.

Good one, and the best of luck. Anywhere nice?

spider guardian

Sure we can't all live on a small island

Any key?

Deleted User wrote: »

Good one, and the best of luck. Anywhere nice?

Oz
Have a visa for China too though.....decisions decisions.....:D

but look thats what lifes all about isn't it

Turtwig

Solnskaya wrote: »

Here's the rub. I'm fairly thick,

Can I just say that you're not thick? You may be lacking some skills, or you may feel you are lacking them. (We're terrible at judging our own competencies). As long as you are alive you have potential for acquiring these skills, just don't feel embarrassed by learning something you already feel you should know. It's never too late and there is really no reason to feel embarrassed about it. Once you understand the basics you'll find everything else much easier. Just remember to work at your own pace, there is no set requirement for long it should take someone to learn something.

DWCommuter

I came of age in the 1980s after suffering the 1970s. By the time I had done the leaving in '89 and finished college in '93, I set up a business and struggled on. I resented people who gave up on Ireland and emigrated. I frowned on their Christmas return tales of prosperity. I got even more pissed off when many of them came back and bought houses and got jobs during the so called boom times. After all I had stayed, built a business and contributed to that so called boom, so they could enjoy it.

However......The boom didn't last long.

So as I watch this country return to its economic past, my loyalty has paid off. I now have a business in Ireland that can be run from abroad. Therefore I am relocating to Tenerife next year. My after tax Irish earnings will allow me to live very comfortably over there. I will no longer be a "property owner" once my priced to sell Irish property bites the dust (hopefully). But the trade off in terms of life style and opportunity is just too damn good to pass up. Why stay here and suffer? I make decent money, but it gets frittered away in Ireland via a very costly standard of living and absolutely no support for indigenous enterprise. I am prepared to sell up and rent abroad if it means that my family can actually enjoy the fruits of what we earn.

I know and respect that all of us are in a different position, but if you feel that emigrating is right, then I say do it. This comes from a former Irish patriot, that has realised that this country simply does not give a flying **** about its people in general.

Any key?

Any key? wrote: »

Oz
Have a visa for China too though.....decisions decisions.....:D

but look thats what lifes all about isn't it

It's 18 years since I was in Australia. Fantastic place. Can't tell you anything about China, mind you.

Enjoy it, wherever you go.

Dangerous Man

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought of leaving in 1986 when the economy was even more crap than it is now. But I didn't, and was rewarded with almost 20 years of economic boom and bloom. Now everything is doom and gloom again, but I'm unlikely to move because of my age, family commitments and the fact that we'll probably muddle through the current mess.

Leaving that aside, Ireland would be a great place if it wasn't for the weather. And maybe the government.

But above all, it'd be spot on if it wasn't for the people. I don't mean everyone, but I do mean a lot of us. Many of us are, it has to be said, whinging, boorish misfits with an infantile and one-dimensional attitude to our role in the community we live in, a stunted and warped social and cultural perspective, and a severely limited grasp of the things a place really needs to make it a decent place to live.

But unless things take a turn for the (even) worse, I s'pose I'll be staying.

Should be post of the day. Never were truer words spoken.

Crazy Horse 6

DWCommuter wrote: »

I came of age in the 1980s after suffering the 1970s. By the time I had done the leaving in '89 and finished college in '93, I set up a business and struggled on. I resented people who gave up on Ireland and emigrated. I frowned on their Christmas return tales of prosperity. I got even more pissed off when many of them came back and bought houses and got jobs during the so called boom times. After all I had stayed, built a business and contributed to that so called boom, so they could enjoy it.

However......The boom didn't last long.

So as I watch this country return to its economic past, my loyalty has paid off. I now have a business in Ireland that can be run from abroad. Therefore I am relocating to Tenerife next year. My after tax Irish earnings will allow me to live very comfortably over there. I will no longer be a "property owner" once my priced to sell Irish property bites the dust (hopefully). But the trade off in terms of life style and opportunity is just too damn good to pass up. Why stay here and suffer? I make decent money, but it gets frittered away in Ireland via a very costly standard of living and absolutely no support for indigenous enterprise. I am prepared to sell up and rent abroad if it means that my family can actually enjoy the fruits of what we earn.

I know and respect that all of us are in a different position, but if you feel that emigrating is right, then I say do it. This comes from a former Irish patriot, that has realised that this country simply does not give a flying **** about its people in general.

So sad but so true.