Legality of a sign

Seasoft

I've seen a few examples around the country but the one I've illustrated is on the approach to Kentstown, Co Meath. The speed limit here is 80kph and the road is straight and visibility is good.



The sign says "Do Not Pass" but the road markings beyond it show a broken white line. Which has precedence in law?

Also, the sign has no indication when it's instruction ends. As there is no sign from this point to Navan saying "End of Do Not Pass zone" is it therefore illegal to overtake from here to Navan?

What are your thoughts?

Avns1s

Is there one on the left hand side of the road?

It strikes me that some smartass might have mounted that sign the wrong way round.

What are the road characteristics before the sign??

Solnskaya

This is actually just an advisory sign, warning people that if they pass this point, they may very well end up in Navan.

Tallon

You are allowed overtake on dotted lines, end of.

I would't think the sign overrides that fact?

Seasoft

Avns1s wrote: »

Is there one on the left hand side of the road?

It strikes me that some smartass might have mounted that sign the wrong way round.

What are the road characteristics before the sign??

Yes, there is a sign now on both sides of the road (at the time of google street view there was only one).

It applies as indicated by the photo.

slimjimmc

Tallon wrote: »

You are allowed overtake on dotted lines, end of.

I would't think the sign overrides that fact?

A prohibitory road sign/marking (eg do not pass) always overrides a permissive one (dotted white line) , end of!

Although it's not recommended practice it is permitted for a road sign to be display on either side of the road. You still have to obey it.

CiniO

Solnskaya wrote: »

This is actually just an advisory sign, warning people that if the pass this point, they may very well end up in Navan.

It's not just an afvisory sign.
That's a normal traffic sign that everyone has to obey.

From http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1997/en/si/0182.html

(3) A driver shall not overtake, or attempt to overtake, on a stretch of roadway on which traffic sign number RUS 014 [no overtaking] has been provided.

Tallon wrote: »

You are allowed overtake on dotted lines, end of.

I would't think the sign overrides that fact?

Of course it overrides.
Even more - it applies to the place where you get the same sign with supplementory plate P 010 (END).

More details here on page 30.
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CD0QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.transport.ie%2Fupload%2Fgeneral%2F11227-0.pdf&rct=j&q=road%20traffic%20%20signs%20RUS%20014&ei=EjMSTtaqCdGChQfu8tXKDQ&usg=AFQjCNE2SOTvkD37FciwnIwZ_HBNxE6Iuw&sig2=rzZB3FRbyxivDeg1tlCCeQ&cad=rja

Seasoft

My point about this particular sign is neither has a matching "end of zone" sign nor an indication how long the no overtaking zone is. Usually these signs have a distance incorporated to inform drivers of how long the no overtaking zone lasts.
My issue is not really their legal status as the poor planning by the authorities.

biko

The order is police directions, lights, signs and lastly road markings. IInm.

Solnskaya

CiniO wrote: »

It's not just an afvisory sign.
That's a normal traffic sign that everyone has to obey.

I may not have been entirely serious CiniO. Funnily enough, I passed this spot going to a job today(actually did!)and the sign was right, I should have turned around. Ended up being a PITA.

Hal1

Only way to make those roads safer is to do your public duty and turn those 8's into 6's. How much is a roll of white insulation tape these days?:p.

Solnskaya

Hal1 wrote: »

Only way to make those roads safer is to do your public duty and turn those 8's into 6's. How much is a roll of white insulation tape these days?:p.

or a roll of black and up it.:p